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SC Redent
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: SC Redent on 06/03/2008 13:07:28
a corp which i will not mention here war deced us the other day. Nothing new i hear you saying?
However here is the situation.
We are a corp of new players (2/3 months) and were confronted by this corp about a week ago saying "give us 50Mill or we will war dec you". We declined and now we are at war. However he didn;t hear much from them the over the past week until last ngiht
I got PK'd and lost all my implants
Is this War lawful or could (or more to the point would) CCP do anything about it?
Regards
Red
PS i have chat logs and proof that they did pretty much blackmail us. This corp has chars that are 3/4 years old, we stand no chance
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Kaeana
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:05:00 -
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any player created corporation can be war-decced. 24 hours after that notice, fighting may commence and concord wont interfere.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:06:00 -
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no such thing as unlaful war dec....
any corp can be decced for any reason.
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This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time.
PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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SC Redent
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:08:00 -
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sorry guys, i hit enter on the topic name.... sorry about that
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Corporal Clue
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:13:00 -
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They've done nothing against the rules, 50mill hardly seems worth it for a bunch of 3-4 year old characters, but so be it if they find it enjoyable.
Your options are either a) negotiate with them for peace b) Fight them (recommended) c) disband the corp and create a new one d) disband the corp and hang around in NPC corp where you are immune to war decs. Unless they're being abusive (in demeanour, not in action) theres nothing thats happened that warrants CCP intervention.
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:14:00 -
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The only unlawful war dec would be a dec that evaded some of the intended mechanics. As there don't seem to be any exploits regarding evading the cost or target eligibility of war decs, any dec is a lawful one. Being in a relatively new and small corp just means you got selected to prove whether your corp deserves to operate in EVE or was just an ill thought out vanity corp that should never have been created in the first place.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:15:00 -
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now that you acctually posed something in the thread:
its perfectly legal to ransom corps.... and then war dec and kill people. its the way of eve.
for your corp i suggest get into t1 cruisers and frigs and fight back. might not get many kills but if they fly expencive stuff.. they are going to loose alot more than you have :)
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This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time.
PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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SC Redent
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:18:00 -
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thanks guys. i just needed to see if it was fair. we will fight. However it does seem increadbly unfair to do this kind of thing. we are based in high sec space. Shouldn't we be immune to piracy (and no matter what way you put it, this is it)
Regards
Red
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The Herrick
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:22:00 -
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Highsec is safer not safe. The only time you are ever immune to any sort of pvp (involving pew pew at least) is while docked in station.
 Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff.
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Mioelnir
Minmatar
KULT Production
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:22:00 -
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No. No imunity in eve. No price for fairness either.
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Jen Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jen Star on 06/03/2008 13:24:49
do love the hostility here from som players like "disband your corp as it doesnt deserve to be around " etc etc - thats kinda rude and selfish- instead of giving him negative points why not give him some good advice- after all you want this game to last with new fresh blood? new corps etc etc? so to the point of my post i am sure there are some large corps out thier that will help you with this bully corp or hire mercs or negotiate with another corp to help out. But dotn give in to this bully corp or they will continue doing it- fight back with whatever means you can- as you said they old players so if you jump into cheap ships and single target thier ships for destruction- i am sure they will get more annoyed at the fact they loosing expensive ships :)
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Cogswin Iannyen
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: SC Redent
thanks guys. i just needed to see if it was fair. we will fight. However it does seem increadbly unfair to do this kind of thing. we are based in high sec space. Shouldn't we be immune to piracy (and no matter what way you put it, this is it)
Regards
Red
No. Piracy is when they kill you while tanking gate guns and take your stuff without wardeccing you. Those are the flashy red people you see in your overview just before you wake up in your clone.
EVE is a PVP game. You're don't have a choice. You're either a hunter, or a target. Good luck in your war.
By the way, there are mercenary corps you can pay to declare war on their corp, if you have plenty of ISK, and lack of fighting ability. These corps exist because smaller indy corps can't defend themselves. They don't aggress, but they'll jump at the opportunity to get some highsec killing in.
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SC Redent
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jen Star
Edited by: Jen Star on 06/03/2008 13:24:49
do love the hostility here from som players like "disband your corp as it doesnt deserve to be around " etc etc - thats kinda rude and selfish- instead of giving him negative points why not give him some good advice- after all you want this game to last with new fresh blood? new corps etc etc? so to the point of my post i am sure there are some large corps out thier that will help you with this bully corp or hire mercs or negotiate with another corp to help out. But dotn give in to this bully corp or they will continue doing it- fight back with whatever means you can- as you said they old players so if you jump into cheap ships and single target thier ships for destruction- i am sure they will get more annoyed at the fact they loosing expensive ships :)
thansk for your posotive feedback. We are going to fight this one and we wont give in. Afterall they are paying for it, and it will at the very least give us experience. However my CNR and my CNC are staying well put xD
thanks fellas
Regards
Red
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:35:00 -
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it's not unlawful ,
maybe lame,
but get yourself some cheep frigs setups and go and have a PvP practice..
High sec is safer not safe, and after a war dec then it is even less safe ;-p
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:41:00 -
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To the OP.
This sort of thing happens all the time in Eve and is legal.
I would say that 3/4 year old players who wardec newbies in their first corp for 50 mill must be very very poor PvPers.
They picked this fight as it is the only sort of fight they think can win.
Get in those T1 comabt frigs with base T1 fittings and go for it. Even the loss of 1 BC to them is greater than 40 T1 fitted frigs to you.
Good luck!
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framolia
The Fated
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:42:00 -
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It's leagal and ffs, grow some and fight back!
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:45:00 -
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Good luck to the OP!
btw props to you for not whining or crying about unconsentual pvp, it was obvious when you used the word PK that you arent from EvE and your prevous game was probably some carebear grindfest. This may be a rude awakening to unconsentual pvp, but if you have made it this far you should be fine the rest of the way |
Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:47:00 -
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What he said.
Grab a load of the top damage dealing frigates, fill the lows with damage mods, mids: AB, web, scram, forget mwd’s – you’ll being engaging up close anyway and the sig radius will do more harm than good – biggest close range weapons with the highest damage ammo you can get, and have everyone focus fire on whatever you can determine will have the weakest tank (ewar ships for example) many of you will die, but if they lose one decently fitted cruiser that’s worth more than your 10 frigates or whatever you can bring will lose you.
Rinse and repeat until they feel like thay've been grifed enough 
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:02:00 -
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I would also add that just becasue they are older and have a lot more skill points than you does not mean all or even most of those SPs will be in combat related skill sets.
No chars SPs in science, trade, industry, social and corp management (last one is debatable i suppose) will be any good to them in a fight.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:08:00 -
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Maybe this general confusion about when you're allowed to be attacked and when not can be cleared up with a simple... let me call it a "bugfix":
CCP might want to rename the undock button to "Enter PVP Battle Arena". Maybe then more players will get it. :)
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: framolia
It's leagal and ffs, grow some and fight back!
Reading comprehension ftw. Did you even read the thread?
Originally by: "Cris Dono"
That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
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Considered
Caldari
The Lost Prophets Euro
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:10:00 -
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If you in turn war-dec them, it becomes a consensual war in the way of it doesn't cost anything, so naturally you wouldn't dec them back, that way it's still costing them isk.
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SC Redent
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:11:00 -
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well the way i see it is, if its lawful, then we may aswell fight. Thanks for the ideas guys. T1 frigs + Crusiers, all T1 kit and see what we can do. We have about 5/6 active memebrs to their 2 3 year old chars. But as was previously stated, doesn;t mean they are gonna be kitted out to beat a swarm. I will keep you posted. Time to go ask my agent here the block thats killed me last ngiht is xD
thansk alot fellas, really appriecated
Regards
Red
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: SC Redent
However my CNR and my CNC are staying well put xD
One of the reasons why you have been wardecced is "my CNR and my CNC".
Some of the members of the attacking corporations have seen the ships, looked the pilot informations and decided that you are easy target with plenty of isk, probably from selling GTC.
With 2-3 months of game life they know the characters of your corporations are easy pickings if they fly in BS, as they lack all the support skills.
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Garat Mant
Minmatar
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 06/03/2008 14:29:19
Originally by: SC Redent
However my CNR and my CNC are staying well put xD
One of the reasons why you have been wardecced is "my CNR and my CNC".
Some of the members of the attacking corporations have seen the ships, looked the pilot informations and decided that you are easy target with plenty of isk, probably from selling GTC.
With 2-3 months of game life they know the characters of your corporations are easy pickings if they fly in BS, as they lack all the support skills.
Fighting back with T1 cruisers and working in group you have a decent chance to inflict them some loss (and each loss they have will cost way more than what you loose). Learn to use warp scrambers and webs and always insure your ships.
QFT.
Get jumpclones, by getting 8+ standings with an NPC corp that has medical facilities. Don't risk your precious implants.
Train support and e-war skills.
Use EVE Voice if you don't already have a teamspeak server running.
Do. Not. Smack.
Ignore t2 guns/fittings. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Don't give up.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:40:00 -
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Couple of other points:
1) You have 3 character slots for your account. Train a base character (Frig 4, cruiser 3, industrial) and use it to haul your stuff to you. No need to get blown up getting new ships when you can "hire" someone else to bring them.
2) You DO have Jump Clones, right? If you got that CNR by the sweat of your labors, you should have at least 8.0 standings with the corp you have been running missions for. Use your JCs to protect your implants.
3) Suiciding frigs and cheap cruisers against a much tougher enemy is actually pretty fun sometimes  If it gets boring, just dock up. Like you said, THEY are paying the wardec. Also, even if you can't "play" at any particular time, log in but stay docked. That way they at least have to pay attention to you even if they aren't getting any targets.
4) Keep a list of their members in your address book. If none of them are around, move a few systems away. Make them hunt you down. Wastes their time and is annoying as hek.
5) You know that there are bored merc corps that are actively looking for targets? If you DIDN'T have a CNR you might have convinced one to help in your cause for free. You can also listen to local and see who is laughing and having fun about fighting someone that is "griefing" them, see if they will help. Chose carefully or you might have 2 wars going on 
6) After this is over, talk to them. Sometimes they turn out to be good guys just looking for fun. They might actually teach you to fight! The best training we ever got was from a group that kicked our tails; we're friends now and pretty close.
7) After this is over, take Agony Unleashed's basic PvP classes. Lots of fun and it will help you a lot next time (and there WILL be a next time). Most of these types of players want soft targets, fight back intelligently and do damage and they go away really quick. Eve is a PvP game; enjoy all apsects of it but don't fly what you can afford to lose 20 of in combat.
8) If it keeps going and your resources dwindle, put an alt in charge of the corp and leave. Go do something else (somewhere else too), join Eve Uni for training, participate in Agony, etc. When you are ready, and the dec still exists, come back and fight again. Remember, 2-3 nights of running level 4s can easily found 20-30 cruisers or several HUNDRED frigs to throw at your enemies!!!
9) Remember who they are. If you get a chance in a year or two, STRIKE BACK.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Maulith
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: SC Redent
This corp has chars that are 3/4 years old, we stand no chance
Typical carebear response.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 06/03/2008 15:27:26
Originally by: Maulith
Originally by: SC Redent
This corp has chars that are 3/4 years old, we stand no chance
Typical carebear response.
No, its a typical response from someone that doesn't understand, which is what the whole OP is about....
The fact they are willing to, and have been, fighting makes it a bit different than if he had just been crying and demanding changes, don't you think? There is hope yet....
To the OP: I've seen a corp of five 4 month old characters tear apart a 70 person corp. Not pretty but also so sad. You CAN fight back. Just fight on your terms and time and with ships you can afford to lose. If that means Ibis, grab your Civi guns and go for it!!
They will get bored eventually or actually turn out to be fun.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Liberator 1
Gallente
Revolutionary United Front
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:37:00 -
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1. Dissolve Corp.
2. Make new corp.
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Maulith
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: SC Redent
we are based in high sec space. Shouldn't we be immune to piracy
and heres another one.
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