Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: Uilliam Nebel

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if you work are in an alliance, you pretty much have picked up a part time job. Where you do more work then play, and pretty much defeat the whole purpose of Eve being a game.

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Nail...head...bang!

And....You or your corp get to pay for this "privilege" via. monthly, per-member, alliance taxes, refining taxes, docking fees and etc.

Also, whatever you do, don't lose an expensive ship you paid for yourself (while trying to have some fun), otherwise you will get publicly chastised by the Alliance leadership via. their forums and/or alliance mail.

There are some great corps in .0, but unfortunately they must belong to, and follow shoddy .0 alliance politics to be allowed to "play" out in .0

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Yeah it happens at times, only for like if your in an Aeon and your ratting...and you get tackled and popped..

Seriously? Do they really yell at people when they lose their own ships?

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Seriously? Do they really yell at people when they lose their own ships?

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Yes, this actually happens. Some alliances feel that their killboard stats are the most important aspect of .0 life. Losing a ship on an alliance fleet OP is usually accepted as a normal part of .0 life, but to lose an expensive ship outside of an OP can (and does) often lead to a verbal beat-down.

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Originally by: Sarakiel

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Originally by: EliteSlave

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Seriously? Do they really yell at people when they lose their own ships?

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Yes, this actually happens. Some alliances feel that their killboard stats are the most important aspect of .0 life. Losing a ship on an alliance fleet OP is usually accepted as a normal part of .0 life, but to lose an expensive ship outside of an OP can (and does) often lead to a verbal beat-down.

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Only if its an incredibly stupid loss, and yes we do base off a Killboard and like all people in this planet Statistics mean alot to us, so if you lose a Hyperion to a Rifter.. then yes your gonna get chewed out for being a dummy

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10x? lol? I wish that were the case

Fact is what your reading is right, many empire players (not all but many) have deluded themselves through talk and incredibly limited experience formed through isolated cases to justify remaining in empire. Consider 0.0 money to on average be about 3x empire money. That varies with what skill level your at for ratting or mining but overall its a consistent number. Once your at about 2.5 million sp you can rat effectively enough to be making about 2.5x-3x the amount you'd make lvl 4 missioning in empire. I still think its ridiculous that empire missions even give as much money as they do.

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: EliteSlave

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Seriously? Do they really yell at people when they lose their own ships?

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Yes, this actually happens. Some alliances feel that their killboard stats are the most important aspect of .0 life. Losing a ship on an alliance fleet OP is usually accepted as a normal part of .0 life, but to lose an expensive ship outside of an OP can (and does) often lead to a verbal beat-down.

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Only if its an incredibly stupid loss, and yes we do base off a Killboard and like all people in this planet Statistics mean alot to us, so if you lose a Hyperion to a Rifter.. then yes your gonna get chewed out for being a dummy

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Not all people are stupid. However, all people do stupid things occasionally. A loss of mine on my own time is exactly that, MINE, and I can always be assured my corpmates and CEO won't let me live down any stupid loss privately. Publicly calling someone who is working for you a "dummy", is a sure fire way to keep loyalty up in your ranks, and makes a great recruitment slogan too I suppose.

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: EliteSlave

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Its how you teach people to be more responsible with what they are doing, its like bringing a noobie out to 0.0 for his first time, The first time they die to a red, you teach them by telling them to have Local opened at all times.. and then second time they die you ask did you have local opened? and if not you scold them. its the same concept for many other scenario's, most people that get scolded are the ones that repeatedly have dumb ship losses, like intel channel saying, there's 30 reds on station... kid undocks and then gets wtfpwned, and screaming for help...

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It is never O.K. for alliance leadership to scold a member (regardless of age) via. public forums and/or alliance email for losing a ship they personally paid for. We are talking about public scolding/belittling/disrespect and not about attempting to educate, which are different things entirely.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 07/03/2008 14:53:49

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Why play an MMO if your not going to be apart of a corp and help it reach a certain goal?

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Because MMO does not mean group goals or group play. MMOs need both, group play and solo play and opportunity for both play styles to interact in a meaningful way. Eve does this well in some areas and fails in others.

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Originally by: Gimpb

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Just remember there are two sides to every story and you're generally only going to get one side of it in high sec.

I've recently made the move from high sec to 0.0 and though I must confess that the logistics of getting stuff out there have been a bit of a pain, finding a corp I like hasn't been a problem.

I haven't spent much time out there yet, but from what I've seen so far, I don't anticipate having a problem staying in the black.

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Originally by: Doc Fury

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Originally by: EliteSlave

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If you cant take it at face value and learn from it then you dont need to play...

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See.. It's exactly this (my way or highway) kind of Alliance leadership attitude that discourages many from joining you out in .0.

It's kind of hard for anyone to see an educational message in 20+ scolding alliance emails and 4 pages of derogatory alliance forum posts that can occur after someone accidentally undocks at the wrong time, can't make it to an OP, or doesn't use the "correct" Dread.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Originally by: EliteSlave

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I dont understand why u join corps and or alliances if you dont want to work together as a corp / alliance.. it doesnt make sense to me as to why you join but only to reap the benefits and pay nothing back to the corp and or alliance. Really whats the point of playing an MMO if only for yourself..?

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Same reason people start their own companies, same reason you, I assume, don't sleep in your parent's bed room. You do know it is possible to have friends and not share their goals and dreams right? I mean, according to your view, unless you and all your friends want the same thing, they should not be your friends.

You've been to a club or pub once I'm sure, why are all those people there? They could all stay home and drink alone or dance with the shadow on the wall. According to you I should be buying everyone drinks because we all have the same goal of drinking and dancing.

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Originally by: Uilliam Nebel

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Originally by: EliteSlave

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see thats the problem, yes people can be friends if they are going to another place of business.. but if u work for that corporation... u have a JOB.. and that job is the Preservation of the Corporation which is u fight for them when its needed.

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Thats a bit big of a commitment to make to a fictional company in a unreal universe though isn't it? Especially when the purpose of it is to have fun? And, not to say it is, but it does sound a bit fascist if an alliance or corp demands that level of blind commitment from players.

A good corp or alliance in my view should as much serve the players as they do it, and all the players, not just the heads. So when it does need that type of commitment from them, it isn't owed by a player, but it is the players absolute drive to preserve and defend that alliance or corporation.

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