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ANTI SUICIDEGANKER	Posted - 2008.03.07 16:44:00 - [1] Edited by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER on 07/03/2008 16:47:08 I unhappy with concords response time. I decide to gank the gates or blow up cans next to mission runner systems, on both sides of the gates. I am allowed to suicide gank a can or gate with my ship as long as I lose it. That is my intention, to suicide gank the stargate with my ibis. After all, we are allowed to suicide gank gates and cans as long as we loose our ship. So that is what I do. I find that approx 30 seconds later, concord spawns in and kills me. That is ok, but what that means is that nobody else can suicide gank Mission Runners and I receive serveral convos from upset mission runner gankers who are unhappy that concord spawns sit on gates. So Something has to be done about concord following their motto of Serve and Protect. I decide to suicide gank a hulk with my ibis. Concord spawn and kill me, and protect the hulk from any future suicide ganks. Man, since when are concord learning to serve and protect? Moral of story: CONCORD is like real life police. Useless. However, people just dont like commiting crimes in front of concord. Oh well, i guess that I will suicide gank another hulk with my ibis, and when concord spawn in to protect the hulk, well, i guess there is nothing that I can do.
sAyArrrr Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.07 16:52:00 - [2] Epic
Salliene Gallente RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:28:00 - [3] Is there one Concord spawn per system, or if you have 3 gates can a Concord fleet be at each gate?
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:01:00 - [4] Originally by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER Edited by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER on 07/03/2008 16:47:08 I unhappy with concords response time. I decide to gank the gates or blow up cans next to mission runner systems, on both sides of the gates. I am allowed to suicide gank a can or gate with my ship as long as I lose it. That is my intention, to suicide gank the stargate with my ibis. After all, we are allowed to suicide gank gates and cans as long as we loose our ship. So that is what I do. I find that approx 30 seconds later, concord spawns in and kills me. That is ok, but what that means is that nobody else can suicide gank Mission Runners and I receive serveral convos from upset mission runner gankers who are unhappy that concord spawns sit on gates. So Something has to be done about concord following their motto of Serve and Protect. I decide to suicide gank a hulk with my ibis. Concord spawn and kill me, and protect the hulk from any future suicide ganks. Man, since when are concord learning to serve and protect? Moral of story: CONCORD is like real life police. Useless. However, people just dont like commiting crimes in front of concord. Oh well, i guess that I will suicide gank another hulk with my ibis, and when concord spawn in to protect the hulk, well, i guess there is nothing that I can do. What ever will you do when you drop low enough in sec status to be barred from high sec? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Bazman Caldari Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:07:00 - [5] He'll obviously recycle his alt and start again, wonder if thats an exploit? Recycling alts when his sec status gets low enough from all the serving and protecting he's doing :P -----
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:14:00 - [6] Think this may be an exploit, as he's not actually losing anything other than sec status when he dies. Real gankers lose their ships, and can't dock up and have another one instantly spawned for them.
Yakoff	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:18:00 - [7] Truly an exploit. He will be spending no expense on his losses. In fact, he will gain from his losses due to the fact that he gets basic insurance for his loss, a new ibis to help him continue with this afront, not to mention the modules and 1 trit he gets to sell. Heck, you can take this even further. Concord only attacks ships, not his pod. So you can have the miners eject an ibis at a belt they want to mine. He can come and get into said ibis, and concord will immediately respond to that (I think - or is that incorrect?). If that is correct, he can just warp around belts looking for abandoned rookie ships and board and spawn concord immediately, and never has to recycle his character.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:23:00 - [8] I don't understand what he's doing. Is he saying that if you attack a stargate and get concord to respond there, they are distracted and you can freely kill people elsewhere in the system?
Yakoff	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:28:00 - [9] Edited by: Yakoff on 07/03/2008 18:29:19 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I don't understand what he's doing. Is he saying that if you attack a stargate and get concord to respond there, they are distracted and you can freely kill people elsewhere in the system? Basically, when you attack someone in empire, concord shows up. However, depending on the security of the system, concord has a delay timer on when they usually show up. So what he does is cause aggression at gates, and belts etc, and concord shows up there. That way, this prevents that delay on concords part in showing up when an actual jihad takes place. 4-5 second delay means an almost death to a hulk. 0 second delay, means no hulk death. Savvy?
Nyabinghi Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:41:00 - [10] So essentially this guy is "waking up" CONCORD and making them more effective. And people here are saying it's definitely an exploit because it is a viable tactic to use against suicide gankers who are not exploiting? If people can use suicide offensively I see no reason why suicide can't be used defensively. But more to the point these types of situations prove that CCP needs to rework the game dynamics in regards to CONCORD and insurance payouts. ***
ANTI SUICIDEGANKER	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:47:00 - [11] Edited by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER on 07/03/2008 18:52:35 Edited by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER on 07/03/2008 18:50:40 Originally by: Nyabinghi So essentially this guy is "waking up" CONCORD and making them more effective. And people here are saying it's definitely an exploit because it is a viable tactic to use against suicide gankers who are not exploiting? If people can use suicide offensively I see no reason why suicide can't be used defensively. But more to the point these types of situations prove that CCP needs to rework the game dynamics in regards to CONCORD and insurance payouts. I am suicide ganking Hulks with my Ibis. This is allowed. It is not my fault that Conord serve and protect the hulk after they kill me when I managed to do 0.01 damage to the hulk. As soon as concord spawn goes away, I try to suicide gank the hulk again. If Mission Runner gankers are camping the gate, I try to suicide gank a can or the gate itself. This is allowed. Concord spawn in and camp the gate and thus it is safe. As soon as concord goes away after a few hours, I return to try to suicide gank the gate or can. As long as I lose my ship, it is allowed. If people camp a gate to kill freightors, I will also try to suicide gank them with my Ibis. Concord will hear a fight has gone on and will jump in to help. It is not my fault that suicide ganking with ibis is perfectly allowed. I could use a Conord as well, as I hear they are almost free. This is not WOW people, you are allowed to try to suicide gank with ibis. When I am -5 sec. I will simply use station instawarps to undock from stations safely to repeat the process regardless of sec rating. This is allowed and if it is not allowed, i will stop.... Or use a Condor insted.
Lego Maniac Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Yakoff Truly an exploit. He will be spending no expense on his losses. In fact, he will gain from his losses due to the fact that he gets basic insurance for his loss, a new ibis to help him continue with this afront, not to mention the modules and 1 trit he gets to sell. Heck, you can take this even further. Concord only attacks ships, not his pod. So you can have the miners eject an ibis at a belt they want to mine. He can come and get into said ibis, and concord will immediately respond to that (I think - or is that incorrect?). If that is correct, he can just warp around belts looking for abandoned rookie ships and board and spawn concord immediately, and never has to recycle his character. no insurance for rookie ships, and no hauling around assembled ships happy?
Kusha'an Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Yakoff Truly an exploit. He will be spending no expense on his losses. In fact, he will gain from his losses due to the fact that he gets basic insurance for his loss, a new ibis to help him continue with this afront, not to mention the modules and 1 trit he gets to sell. Heck, you can take this even further. Concord only attacks ships, not his pod. So you can have the miners eject an ibis at a belt they want to mine. He can come and get into said ibis, and concord will immediately respond to that (I think - or is that incorrect?). If that is correct, he can just warp around belts looking for abandoned rookie ships and board and spawn concord immediately, and never has to recycle his character. Wow. The hypocrisy in this post is deafening. You really believe that a Raven suicide ganksquad is losing money? That their insurances don't pay out? This is so lolz - I can hear the whine of the suiciders already - "This isn't fair! We're the only ones who should benefit from exploits! Eve is TEH SUCK!"
Tacitus Krekt Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:19:00 - [14] Edited by: Tacitus Krekt on 07/03/2008 19:20:17 If people complain about concord already being on top of the ship, then they're simply stamping their feet in ignorance like a confused child. When you engage someone, concord spawns a group for YOU. Existing concord will NOT shoot you. Gate guns, however, will immediately begin to fire if you're engaging on a gate (this is to the best of my knowledge, and how I've been told the system works. If it is incorrect, let me know). Think of it this way... You attack hulk in belt. Concord script starts, with them ordered to engage you (of which they stand-down when your ship is destroyed). At this point concord begin to choke down donuts and laugh at the pod pilots lagging in system. This is why you get huge blobs of concord, and why suicide ganking freighters is possible (otherwise 300+ spawned concord would melt engaging battleships in seconds, as opposed to the current system where a group spawns and only spawns to engage a single attacking ship).
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:44:00 - [15] That's a good idea! For a coward....
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.07 20:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER What ever will you do when you drop low enough in sec status to be barred from high sec? oohhh idk maybe go to 0.0 and rat it back up? ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.03.07 20:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Khanid Kutie oohhh idk maybe go to 0.0 and rat it back up? Very much doubt it. Carebears upset with suicide ganking generally don't have 0.0 access. Anyway, I doubt this will be considered an exploit. It's a viable tactic as far as I'm concerned as long as he doesn't recycle the alt. If he can still manage to disrupt suicide ganks while below -5 then more power to him. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Valan The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.07 21:46:00 - [18] Where did you get Concord's motto 'serve and protect' from, does it actually say that somewhere, don't recall seeing it? Anyway this is written down on this website by CCP. 'Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime.' /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Yakoff	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: Yakoff Truly an exploit. He will be spending no expense on his losses. In fact, he will gain from his losses due to the fact that he gets basic insurance for his loss, a new ibis to help him continue with this afront, not to mention the modules and 1 trit he gets to sell. Heck, you can take this even further. Concord only attacks ships, not his pod. So you can have the miners eject an ibis at a belt they want to mine. He can come and get into said ibis, and concord will immediately respond to that (I think - or is that incorrect?). If that is correct, he can just warp around belts looking for abandoned rookie ships and board and spawn concord immediately, and never has to recycle his character. Wow. The hypocrisy in this post is deafening. You really believe that a Raven suicide ganksquad is losing money? That their insurances don't pay out? This is so lolz - I can hear the whine of the suiciders already - "This isn't fair! We're the only ones who should benefit from exploits! Eve is TEH SUCK!" Uhm, my entire post was meant to be funny. If you took the extent of my post as being serious, then WOW, dude.
Yakoff	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Lego Maniac Originally by: Yakoff non-sensical trolling stuff no insurance for rookie ships, and no hauling around assembled ships happy? No. They should also be strung up by the toes and forced to watch Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.
SpaceSavage Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:14:00 - [21] Awesome thread. _______________
ANTI SUICIDEGANKER	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Edited by: Tacitus Krekt on 07/03/2008 19:20:17 If people complain about concord already being on top of the ship, then they're simply stamping their feet in ignorance like a confused child. When you engage someone, concord spawns a group for YOU. Existing concord will NOT shoot you. Gate guns, however, will immediately begin to fire if you're engaging on a gate (this is to the best of my knowledge, and how I've been told the system works. If it is incorrect, let me know). Think of it this way... You attack hulk in belt. Concord script starts, with them ordered to engage you (of which they stand-down when your ship is destroyed). At this point concord begin to choke down donuts and laugh at the pod pilots lagging in system. This is why you get huge blobs of concord, and why suicide ganking freighters is possible (otherwise 300+ spawned concord would melt engaging battleships in seconds, as opposed to the current system where a group spawns and only spawns to engage a single attacking ship). Concord WILL DEFEND if another players tries a gank. It works. Try it.
SpaceSavage Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:32:00 - [23] Originally by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER Originally by: Tacitus Krekt Edited by: Tacitus Krekt on 07/03/2008 19:20:17 If people complain about concord already being on top of the ship, then they're simply stamping their feet in ignorance like a confused child. When you engage someone, concord spawns a group for YOU. Existing concord will NOT shoot you. Gate guns, however, will immediately begin to fire if you're engaging on a gate (this is to the best of my knowledge, and how I've been told the system works. If it is incorrect, let me know). Think of it this way... You attack hulk in belt. Concord script starts, with them ordered to engage you (of which they stand-down when your ship is destroyed). At this point concord begin to choke down donuts and laugh at the pod pilots lagging in system. This is why you get huge blobs of concord, and why suicide ganking freighters is possible (otherwise 300+ spawned concord would melt engaging battleships in seconds, as opposed to the current system where a group spawns and only spawns to engage a single attacking ship). Concord WILL DEFEND if another players tries a gank. It works. Try it. Hasnt worked so far. _______________
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.03.08 06:13:00 - [24] lol wut
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.08 06:51:00 - [25] Hahaha, whenever I picture an angry carebear I just start laughing. Oh noes the bears are posting in C&P, guys we are doomed.
Newbear	Posted - 2008.03.08 08:00:00 - [26] Lets fix suscide ganking with permadeath. Clones are weaksauce and breeds weakness, are we jovians or real men!? Click here for my High Security POS Service
Ardvaark Ratnik	Posted - 2008.03.08 12:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Yakoff No. They should also be strung up by the toes and forced to watch Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman. Oh DEAR LORD... NOOOOOO Oh the inhumanity... I thought torture and cruel and unusual punishments where banned. That show makes me want to puke.
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:01:00 - [28] CONCORD does not protect.... they only punish. -------------------------------------- EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Jarvin Kell Kingdom of Kador Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Jarvin Kell on 14/03/2008 14:58:28 Using noob ships and shuttles repeatedly in instances like this could be an exploit. Didn't CCP rule that using them to expend an enemy's POS ammo reserves is an exploit?
Kyrik Vaster Gladius Astartes	Posted - 2008.03.16 07:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Havok Dryke CONCORD does not protect.... they only punish. Then they should make the punishment harsh enough to be a deterant. trading a 6 mil ship for a 100 mil hulk doesn't seem to be sufficient punshiment... loss of all skills and abilities... public podding... something that makes it "cost" to suicide gank point being that people will leave the game, Eve will loose paying customers, and THAT is the bottom line. they can ignore suicide ganking ... at their peril

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