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ANTI SUICIDEGANKER
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:06:00 -
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Hello,
I see people suicide gank haulers, freightos, hulks and mission runners.
So, what i do is if I see gankers camping a gate, I try to gank them with by ibis! Concord spawns after 20 seconds but then concord stays and protects gate. Since I am trying to suicide gank with my ibis, this is allowed. Frightors can pass through 100% safely with Concord camping gates!
I also visit mining belts. I Suicide Gank Hulks with my ibis. Concord spawns in and saves the hulk from my 0.01dps and then concord stay to protect. After a few hours, concord goes away, but then I return, to try to suicide gank the Hulk with my ibis again!
People camping station undock to instapop mission runners are cool! I try to gank them with ibis and concord spawn! Now concord protects undock points. Cool huh? Shame my ibis could not suicide gank the gankers bs though.
Now since I am trying to suicide gank with ibis, this is allowed as I lose my ship. I cannot find any prescedent saying that doing such a thing is not allowed?
Therefore rise up brothers! See a suicide ganker, then gank them with ibis !
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:07:00 -
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Have you actually tested as to whether the CONCORD ships already present respond to a second suicide gank attempt?
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:09:00 -
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Have you tested to confirm that CONCORD still show up even if the sentry guns at a station or gate have already killed you?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:10:00 -
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The only problem is that soon your puny Ibis pilot will be low enough in security rating to get shot at as soon as he undocks.
And recycling this alt would be a bannable exploit.
Of course, feel free to go repair your security rating by ratting in your Ibis in belts then re-do this all over again.
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KellyTrash
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Tarminic
Have you actually tested as to whether the CONCORD ships already present respond to a second suicide gank attempt?
Yea. EG is theres concord already present at a belt unless a sucideganker can kill you in 0.1seconds he is goign to insta pop
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:10:00 -
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As long as you're taking the security hits, it's allowed. What's not allowed is recycling alts to commit criminal acts for the purpose of avoiding sec loss.
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KellyTrash
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
The only problem is that soon your puny Ibis pilot will be low enough in security rating to get shot at as soon as he undocks.
And recycling this alt would be a bannable exploit.
Of course, feel free to go repair your security rating by ratting in your Ibis in belts then re-do this all over again.
if he undocks without aggression then only faction poilce (If they are even there) and other players will be able to kill you
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 07/03/2008 19:13:23
If you throw away the ibis pilot when it get a too low standing, it is a exploit (if someone report it probably, I doubt CCP check every deleted character standing).
You can try petitioning to a GM and ask the length of time a negative standing character must stay inactive to make that not an exploit. I suspect that if he hasn't tried a suicide gang in a month or more it is not an exploit, if he has tried one 10 minute ago it is clearly an exploit, but those are personal opinions.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alora Venoda on 07/03/2008 19:18:34
wouldn't it only be an exploit if he re-makes the character or a similar one again in order to do the same thing?
although since he is not actually killing anyone but himself... would it even still be an exploit of character recycling?
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ANTI SUICIDEGANKER
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER on 07/03/2008 19:22:09
If you shoot a can someware, then align to gate, as soon as you see concord spawn then warp to the gate. Concord will spawn at gate and kill you. Let yourself die to concord.
Thus you can do it at any sec rating and concord DO serve and protect. Any concord will instajam/nos/scram/web anyone instantly.
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Serious Rikk
Species 5618
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:24:00 -
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Easy way to keep doing this. Just use 1 alt to actually do the gank, and the other alt to undock in an ibis, fly to a safe spot, then leave the ibis at safespot
Ganker alt flys to safe climbs in ibis then goes to get popped in belt/gate
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Szap Light
Caldari
Minds Of Space
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:46:00 -
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Nice idea to spoil the fun of the suicide gankers. But i dont have the time to fly around in empire searching gankercamps.
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ANTI SUICIDEGANKER
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: ANTI SUICIDEGANKER on 07/03/2008 20:05:30
Originally by: Szap Light
Nice idea to spoil the fun of the suicide gankers. But i dont have the time to fly around in empire searching gankercamps.
Its great fun to greif the gankers.
Also mission runner or miner can try to ibis gank themselves to call concord to protect themselves and make them immune to suicide gank from Jihad Swarm.
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Nidus
Caldari
The JORG Corporation
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:10:00 -
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As already mentioned, recycling the character is a big no no, so that should be kept in mind.
But I'm unsure if using rookie ships for doing this will be acceptable seeing as they are no-cost ships so you won't have any actual loss. So you might want to spend some minor isk on the cheapest frigates for your race along with a gun to be on the safe side.
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agent apple
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:13:00 -
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Perfectly acceptable as long as you do it and take the sec hit. Recycling characters to do stuff like this is an exploit as has been stated by CCP in the past.
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Krokus13
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:13:00 -
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My friends and I do this as well. Its fun and it helps keep out the riff raff
Only had to resort ot it a few times ans we spit the difference in taking the security hits. Im sure we can do this for quite some time before it becomes an issue. Last time was a few days when people were setting up suicide camps around Motsu waiting on Hulks.
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:15:00 -
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they do, but it's not 100%, they will just bring a bigger gank.
but why would they bring a bigger gank?
well if it's so important what your carrying that you suicide an ibis at every gate, then it must be wroth the gank.
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turnschuh
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:19:00 -
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awesome idea tbh
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Galen Naranek
Gallente
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Galen Naranek on 07/03/2008 20:21:19
Originally by: Nidus
As already mentioned, recycling the character is a big no no, so that should be kept in mind.
Proof or it's just another Urban Legend.
What's to stop him from simply creating a trial account to make his concord magnets?
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Mith Dahn
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:22:00 -
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Fool, your no different then a ganker. Your not helping anyone but yourself to the same thrill they are.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Naranek
Edited by: Galen Naranek on 07/03/2008 20:21:19
Originally by: Nidus
As already mentioned, recycling the character is a big no no, so that should be kept in mind.
Proof or it's just another Urban Legend.
What's to stop him from simply creating a trial account to make his concord magnets?
This has been stated by GMs on several occasions, actually. I'll try and find the relevant posts. The trial account recycling is also considered an exploit.
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Galen Naranek
Gallente
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:42:00 -
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Sure but how can they prove player A owns trial account B? And would it be worth their time to do so?
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Succubu5
Last Beyond Sands Actual Assault
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:43:00 -
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lol griefing the suicidegankers... just wait till they start making petitions "nooo we were concordokkened while attacking in hi sec. dis is no fair mens!!!!!"
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GimmeeThat
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
The only problem is that soon your puny Ibis pilot will be low enough in security rating to get shot at as soon as he undocks.
And recycling this alt would be a bannable exploit.
Of course, feel free to go repair your security rating by ratting in your Ibis in belts then re-do this all over again.
It's ok because soon we will all have our little alts running around doing this. we will blot out the sun with ibis and concord |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Naranek
Sure but how can they prove player A owns trial account B? And would it be worth their time to do so?
IP addresses, I imagine. And to whether it'd be worth it, well...they can't completely ignore reports of the exploit being used.
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Galen Naranek
Gallente
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:58:00 -
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Pirates, gankers, griefers, and their ilk (I've long wanted to be an 'ilk') always like to say "adapt and survive" but they also love to complain when carebears adapt and survive at their expense. 
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Galen Naranek
Gallente
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Galen Naranek
Sure but how can they prove player A owns trial account B? And would it be worth their time to do so?
IP addresses, I imagine. And to whether it'd be worth it, well...they can't completely ignore reports of the exploit being used.
IP addresses are dynamic in many if not most cases. As for your last statement, this is CCP we're talking about, right . . .  ?
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Morfane
The IMorral MAjority
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:16:00 -
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Although this is a good idea, the criminals have a workaround:
1. Fly a shuttle/newb ship to a planet.
2. Eject
3. Dock at station and get a newb ship
4. Fly to the offending CONCORD spawn and shoot it with the newb ship
5. After CONCORD destroys your ship, fly to that ejected ship from step 2
6. Board the ship, and the mean old CONCORD spawn will warp away to kill the newly boarded ship
Another thing, the empire gankers I know and fly with laugh at this sort of stuff. They have not whinged on the forums at any of the numerous nerfs CCP has sent their way; they are certainly not going to care about some tactic that some "highsec should be totally safe" carebear.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Morfane
Although this is a good idea, the criminals have a workaround:
1. Fly a shuttle/newb ship to a planet.
2. Eject
3. Dock at station and get a newb ship
4. Fly to the offending CONCORD spawn and shoot it with the newb ship
5. After CONCORD destroys your ship, fly to that ejected ship from step 2
6. Board the ship, and the mean old CONCORD spawn will warp away to kill the newly boarded ship
Another thing, the empire gankers I know and fly with laugh at this sort of stuff. They have not whinged on the forums at any of the numerous nerfs CCP has sent their way; they are certainly not going to care about some tactic that some "highsec should be totally safe" carebear.
This.
Any professional (and by that I mean they make their living exclusively by doing this) killers will have complete control over Concord in any system they're operating in. To think that some noob in an Ibis is going to put a dent in their operations is laughable.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:34:00 -
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I hardly think this tactic is enforceable as an exploit in any practle way by CCP.
My oppinion is you can gank with an IBIS and recycle the alt forever and CCP will never make issue with you.
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