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Fink Angel
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:59:00 -
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Dutch Cop - patient cop, mental perp!
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American cop - patient perp, mental cop!
Probably not a typical American cop, but seriously, WTF?
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Gyfrex
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:30:00 -
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The american cop overreacted with the tazer, should of explained to the guy what was wrong then let the guy argue...then use the tazer when he doesn't shut up, also the whole bit at the beginning "firstly you're gunna tell me what I did wrong and then we're gunna go and find that 40 limit sign", personally I think telling a cop what to do when you've just been pulled over by him....ain't the smartest thing in the world to do.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:40:00 -
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Honestly, I think the guy deserved it. He made a long chain of bad decisions:
1. He refused to sign a ticket (which I'm fairly certain you have to do even if you protest it later in court) and starts arguing with the cop. The cop has no choice but to arrest him
2. After getting out of the car, the guy stops listening to the instructions of the officer
3. After taking out the tazer and pointing it at him, the guy decides to ignore him and walk back to his vehicle. At this point he is officially evading arrest
The police officer seems like he was just following procedures, otherwise he would have had to chase the guy after he took off. Granted, the officer should have said something like "If you don't sign this, I'm going to have to arrest you," but I still think the driver was the one who screwed up.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:40:00 -
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So few men are worthy of the uniform. Knowing the "citizen" must OBEY and can only shut the **** up they soon get into a power buzz... If not for them uniform and the "power" it represent I would have sent a few of them the hospital way.****ots with a badge.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2008.03.07 22:18:00 -
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I have seen a video linked here before of an American cop tazing a woman who threw hysterics like that.
It really comes down to the balance of moral authority vs physical authority in different cultures (generally) and documented procedures (specifically). Also maybe differences in education requirements for the service?
If you tell people to fire if conditions A, B, C are met, then that is what happens. It just depends what behaviour goes on that checklist. In many countries that woman's behaviour would have warranted it. I guess the thresholds are different in different places.
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Orakkus
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Posted - 2008.03.07 22:26:00 -
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As far as the second part goes, I have to begrudgingly agree that the person who go pulled over made a few serious mistakes. Most of these mistakes were clearly the result of inaccurate interpetation of law (though in the US, great pains are taken to make sure that citizens DON'T know what they can or cannot do legally):
First off, signing the ticket does not mean you agree to the charges, that is basic, even in Utah. Second, getting that close to an officer, is simply stupid. Third, ALWAYS be at least pleasant, it maybe that he's pulling you over to let you know of something serious, like a broken taillight, or if there is a critical family emergency, they might be able to let you know (that doesn't happen so much in the cellphone age).
The officer was in the wrong, clearly he was on a power trip. He requested the driver to get out, and the driver REASONABLY followed the officer back to the police car (Officer did not clearly state that he wanted the driver to stay next to his vehicle or to follow him to his car). The officer had no business using force at that time. The driver was walking away from the officer with his hands in his pocket, and only in video games would the driver been quicker than that officer's trigger finger.
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Fink Angel
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The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.03.07 23:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Tarminic
Honestly, I think the guy deserved it. He made a long chain of bad decisions:
1. He refused to sign a ticket (which I'm fairly certain you have to do even if you protest it later in court) and starts arguing with the cop. The cop has no choice but to arrest him
2. After getting out of the car, the guy stops listening to the instructions of the officer
3. After taking out the tazer and pointing it at him, the guy decides to ignore him and walk back to his vehicle. At this point he is officially evading arrest
The police officer seems like he was just following procedures, otherwise he would have had to chase the guy after he took off. Granted, the officer should have said something like "If you don't sign this, I'm going to have to arrest you," but I still think the driver was the one who screwed up.
You don't think the officer could have talked things through some more before suddenly going nuts and starting shouting? He took it up a notch and took a pretty much "under control" situation suddenly way out of control.
OK I'm from the UK and maybe underestimate the chance of someone pulling a gun from their pocket, but that cop's actions just seem totally insane to me.
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2008.03.08 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sharupak on 08/03/2008 00:04:57
Originally by: Tarminic
Honestly, I think the guy deserved it. He made a long chain of bad decisions:
1. He refused to sign a ticket (which I'm fairly certain you have to do even if you protest it later in court) and starts arguing with the cop. The cop has no choice but to arrest him
2. After getting out of the car, the guy stops listening to the instructions of the officer
3. After taking out the tazer and pointing it at him, the guy decides to ignore him and walk back to his vehicle. At this point he is officially evading arrest
The police officer seems like he was just following procedures, otherwise he would have had to chase the guy after he took off. Granted, the officer should have said something like "If you don't sign this, I'm going to have to arrest you," but I still think the driver was the one who screwed up.
You dont have to sign the ticket, but if you dont then you have to be given your due process in 24 hours and you have to sit in a cell untill then. The Justice system DOES NOT LIKE THIS for a number of reasons and will find any small reason to rough you up.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
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3. After taking out the tazer and pointing it at him, the guy decides to ignore him and walk back to his vehicle. At this point he is officially evading arrest
The police officer seems like he was just following procedures, otherwise he would have had to chase the guy after he took off. Granted, the officer should have said something like "If you don't sign this, I'm going to have to arrest you," but I still think the driver was the one who screwed up.
To evade arrest you have to be getting arrested first. Lol have you ever heard of anyone getting arrested for speeding, under the limit of wreckless driving that is. I don't think you have to sign any ticket that involves speeding, at least not in the many states I have lived in. They have always handed me the ticket. I then can chose to pay it within 60 days or contest it.
A cop tazering a guy who was obviously no threat is a bit overboard. Even though the guy made some poor decisions I don't think it warranted being tazed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 04:27:00 -
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"TURN AROUND TURN AROUND!"
*starts walking back to his car*
!TAZER!
Great policework.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 04:44:00 -
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Yeah, poor procedures, poor training. You have to wonder whether the people running the programmes spend much time reviewing the results. At the most basic level of dealing with members of the public, you have to understand that your demeanour exerts great influence over the subject's responses, and this can go well or badly for you and your goals. If you have no sight of goals and no control over self or situation, you are not ready to work in a subway, let alone wear a police badge. Cluelessness of that sort makes you a danger to yourself as much as to others in those kinds of occupations.
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flaming phantom
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Posted - 2008.03.08 09:20:00 -
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well i personally think tazers are a great arsenal for the police. they are a way of incapacitating someone without any real damage. yea ok they hurt a little, big deal. would u rather they point a 9mm at u? i think not. you also need to keep in mind there are a lot of messed up people in the world (noteably here in the US) and cops have gotten shot or shot at by people they pull over, so when the guy wouldnt comply with signing and then wouldnt follow orders, even when he had a tazer pointed at him was kinda stupid.
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Orion Eridanus
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Posted - 2008.03.08 13:11:00 -
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Ok so you pick out one incident out of a countless number of traffic stops that occur each day with out a hitch. I guess all American cops must be trigger happy and bad then eh? I guess that means all Dutch cops are polite and are incapable of doing wrong.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.03.08 13:39:00 -
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Mounties taser confused traveler(video).
The worst part is that the RCMP says the guy had "excited delerium" or something like that, and he would have died even if he didn't get taserd. Where have I heard that before? If they can't prove the guy was sick, drunk or high, then it must be some undiagnosable mental condition! That's the ticket! I'm calling shenanigans on this, I think.
Point is, excessive use of tasers isn't so uncommon, we just don't hear about it as the police are more than happy to explain it away with made up stories.
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Fink Angel
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The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.03.08 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Ok so you pick out one incident out of a countless number of traffic stops that occur each day with out a hitch. I guess all American cops must be trigger happy and bad then eh? I guess that means all Dutch cops are polite and are incapable of doing wrong.
Which is precisely why my first post said "Probably not a typical American cop, but seriously, WTF?"
I really don't want this to turn into an anti American / anti Cop rant, but that one particular guy at least needs to be just serving (flipping burgers!) rather than Protecting and Serving.
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Fink Angel
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Posted - 2008.03.08 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: flaming phantom
well i personally think tazers are a great arsenal for the police. they are a way of incapacitating someone without any real damage. yea ok they hurt a little, big deal. would u rather they point a 9mm at u? i think not. you also need to keep in mind there are a lot of messed up people in the world (noteably here in the US) and cops have gotten shot or shot at by people they pull over, so when the guy wouldnt comply with signing and then wouldnt follow orders, even when he had a tazer pointed at him was kinda stupid.
You're giving us only two choices, both bad. By making one of the choices really bad, ie 9mm death, the second choice almost sounds reasonable, but it's not.
The 3rd choice is to spend quite a bit more time sorting things out before resorting to an armed response. More concerning to me about this incident is that the cop actually threw fuel and a match onto a calm situation by starting shouting.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.03.08 14:12:00 -
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Just watched that 2nd vid again, it's a real classic. My favorite part is where that punk traffic code violator is like "Why are you doing this to me!?" and the cop is like "SHUT UP STAY ON THE GROUND".
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2008.03.08 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 08/03/2008 15:02:04
Originally by: Fink Angel
You're giving us only two choices, both bad. By making one of the choices really bad, ie 9mm death, the second choice almost sounds reasonable, but it's not.
The 3rd choice is to spend quite a bit more time sorting things out before resorting to an armed response. More concerning to me about this incident is that the cop actually threw fuel and a match onto a calm situation by starting shouting.
I could not agree more. Procedures are no substitute for skill, but too often they seem to end up as such. Often the problem is a short-sighted compromise of quality for quantity. This case says to me that sometime in the past, someone tried to reduce policing to a bunch of if-else statements to avoid relying on individual judgement calls. Sure, that has its place - if you are a machinist. Not if you are dealing with the public. Showing inflexibility from the start can make a neutral situation turn bad. This could as easily have ended badly for the cop, a partner and/or for bystanders thanks to his complete lack of awareness.
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Fink Angel
Originally by: flaming phantom
well i personally think tazers are a great arsenal for the police. they are a way of incapacitating someone without any real damage. yea ok they hurt a little, big deal. would u rather they point a 9mm at u? i think not. you also need to keep in mind there are a lot of messed up people in the world (noteably here in the US) and cops have gotten shot or shot at by people they pull over, so when the guy wouldnt comply with signing and then wouldnt follow orders, even when he had a tazer pointed at him was kinda stupid.
You're giving us only two choices, both bad. By making one of the choices really bad, ie 9mm death, the second choice almost sounds reasonable, but it's not.
The 3rd choice is to spend quite a bit more time sorting things out before resorting to an armed response. More concerning to me about this incident is that the cop actually threw fuel and a match onto a calm situation by starting shouting.
The tazer is roughly the equivalent of hitting someone with a baton. Unfortunately in the mindset of many of their users they are the equivalent of an arm lock. This leads to incidents such as one where someone was chased up a tree by a guard dog, then tasered on sight by a police officer resulting in him falling and breaking his neck. Another case had a pregnant woman not realise a policeman was talking to her. He tasered her in the back, she fell forward and her baby was stillborn two days later, officially from unconfirmed causes.
With proper training it's not a bad option but ffs be aware what is going to happen. A person suddenly losing control of their limbs and falling onto a hard surface is not a soft option.
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Keorythe on 09/03/2008 13:40:49
Proper procedure, proper use of taser. The man was under arrest when he refused to sign the ticket. He would have spent 24hrs in a city or county lockup as he was having his case processed. Thats the law in most places. Its like refusing to take a breathalizer or field sobriety test. You can refuse and spend a night in jail (easier to fight in court if you're actually drunk).
1. Signing a ticket means that you understand the infractions of the law for which you are being accused. Thats it. It is not a sign of culpability or a guilty plea. It is simply stating that you are fully aware that you are being accused of everything written on the ticket and nothing else. This is to your advantage as the officer cannot make any other additional allegations at your hearing.
2. You cannot tell a police officer he is wrong nor can you tell him that he cannot give you a ticket. By law they can give you a ticket for any minor infraction. It is their job by authority and training to find infractions and make an accusation. It is your right to argue that they are wrong in front of a judge. Unfortunately most people think this is unfair or unlawful when in fact its just inconvenient. The courtroom is where you fight the cop, not on the street. Alot of times the cop will not show up to a hearing and the case will be thrown out simply because their off days are too precious to give up for a ticket hearing (remember their weak is usually more stressful than yours).
3. Use of a taser is reserved for uncompliant individuals. The second that guy in the video turned his back and started walking back to the car he was eligible for a tasing. In the old days and still in some places the cop would have to physically restrain an individual. That risks harm to the cop especially if the individual is a better fighter, has a weapon, or has more friends/family with them. Most cops see the taser as a gift from god especially the older guys who have scars and old broken bones from having to wrestle an individual and put handcuffs on them (unlike the civilian population cops can't kick a guy in the head and tie them up with rope when they stop spasming to subdue them). You would be surprised how much fight a 80lb woman 5'1" woman can give someone when the go absolutely nuts.
Could the officer have waited a bit more or tried to explain things better to the guy? Sure. Was he required to do so? No. The ticket explains EVERYTHING in detail on the back. If an individual says, "I want to read what I am signing first" the cop by law (in most states) has to wait and/or explain things. Could the individual have been less of an ******* and asked the cop for more details? Sure.
A majority of cops dont have power-trips or any other bad thing you can think of. They are just like you and will react to behavior thrown at them just like you or have bad moods just like you. Be cool with them and they'll be cool with you. You might even get out of a ticket that way.
The Dutch movie was rubbish. 3 guys and a camera against an emotional girl. Switch the roles around please before you make a comparison. You want to see a patient american cop? Here you go CLICKY
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Posted - 2008.03.09 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Edited by: Keorythe on 09/03/2008 13:56:37
Proper procedure, proper use of taser. The man was under arrest when he refused to sign the ticket.CLICKY
WRROOOOOONG! As far as I know, all of the US and Canada requires you to physically grab the person and say, "I am placing you under arrest for ________" before that person is considered arrested.
Proper use? Pah, lazy police work. Why talk things over when you can just jolt the guy? Tasers are not non-lethal, they are less-lethal, but cops don't seem to get this. I'm making blanket statements, obviously there's going to be a few decent police officers, but not enough from what Ive seen.
And whats wrong with pepper spray? Pretty hard to kill someone with that even if you wanted to.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
WRROOOOOONG! As far as I know, all of the US and Canada requires you to physically grab the person and say, "I am placing you under arrest for ________" before that person is considered arrested.
Proper use? Pah, lazy police work. Why talk things over when you can just jolt the guy? Tasers are not non-lethal, they are less-lethal, but cops don't seem to get this. I'm making blanket statements, obviously there's going to be a few decent police officers, but not enough from what Ive seen.
And whats wrong with pepper spray? Pretty hard to kill someone with that even if you wanted to.
About the only thing you got right with any of those statements is the need to say "you're under arrest". That would be the one thing the cop messed up on. However, you do not have to physically grab anyone while doing so. You can yell that through a window if you want to. The guy can fight it in court and maybe win for that technicality. However, the taser was a "good shoot" and well within the bounds of the law.
He was under arrest. Period. You talk it out with someone to make it easier to put the cuffs on. He's still going to jail. Period. Yes, cops are getting "lazy" by tasering instead of physically detaining a guy who may get violent, might have a weapon, or whose wife might have the same and jump him while he's restraining the guy on the ground. Thats a regular occurance for a lone cop. Please take in mind that cops are exposed to situations that go from calm to extremely violent several times a month. Sometimes they would rather take the easy way than deal with another possible brawl. I imagine everyone reading this would rather take the easy and safer way.
Pepper spray has alot of drawbacks. If the wind is against you then you might end up in the same cloud of pepper spray as the bad guy. Pepper spray does not stop a person from becoming violent. It confuses them, makes them angry, and inflicts pain. A cop still has to physically restrain a person to put on the handcuffs. Pepper spray is really only useful against people with weapons or people attacking you since it makes it hard for them to use the weapons effectively.
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Orion Eridanus
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:22:00 -
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You can place a person in cuffs without arresting them, it is called "Detaining"
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
stuffs
You sound like you know what you're talking about, what country/state? I have been told by police here that they do need to make physical contact and say "Youre under arrest" before its an arrest. You can tell some guy that youre going to arrest him from 100metres away, or you can tell some guy to get his ass on the ground, doesn't mean he is arrested. Guess it's only really semantics unless you try to charge someone for resisting arrest when you never arrested them to begin with.
And why did that guy need to be restrained at all? He was confused; he got pulled over for a traffic ticket, then he's got some cop pointing a taser at him and screaming. He was walking away from the cop, too. If the guy reached into his car for something, yeah, thats a problem, but he didnt.
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Posted - 2008.03.09 18:10:00 -
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Second video:
Rather than "I'm not signing that", the bloke could quite easily have said "Can you please tell me what I've done wrong before I sign anything?"
The bloke who got pulled over had the wrong attitude - perhaps you might get away with that attitude if you were in a shop or restaurant, but when you've been pulled over by the police I would have thought that being polite is a good idea. However, the cop was REALLY OTT there.
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Posted - 2008.03.09 19:30:00 -
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This cop is better 
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Posted - 2008.03.10 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe
This cop is better
That was brilliant.
Especially when he says he is littering and gets him to pick more up
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Posted - 2008.03.10 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sharupak on 10/03/2008 00:39:16
Originally by: Keorythe
Edited by: Keorythe on 09/03/2008 13:56:37
1. Signing a ticket means that you understand the infractions of the law for which you are being accused. Thats it. It is not a sign of culpability or a guilty plea. It is simply stating that you are fully aware that you are being accused of everything written on the ticket and nothing else. This is to your advantage as the officer cannot make any other additional allegations at your hearing.
2. You cannot tell a police officer he is wrong nor can you tell him that he cannot give you a ticket. By law they can give you a ticket for any minor infraction. It is their job by authority and training to find infractions and make an accusation. It is your right to argue that they are wrong in front of a judge. Unfortunately most people think this is unfair or unlawful when in fact its just inconvenient. The courtroom is where you fight the cop, not on the street. Alot of times the cop will not show up to a hearing and the case will be thrown out simply because their off days are too precious to give up for a ticket hearing (remember their week is usually more stressful than yours).
3. Use of a taser is reserved for uncompliant individuals. The second that guy in the video turned his back and started walking back to the car he was eligible for a tasing. In the old days and still in some places the cop would have to physically restrain an individual. That risks harm to the cop especially if the individual is a better fighter, has a weapon, or has more friends/family with them. Most cops see the taser as a gift from god especially the older guys who have scars and old broken bones from having to wrestle an individual and put handcuffs on them (unlike the civilian population cops can't kick a guy in the head and tie them up with rope when they stop spasming to subdue them). You would be surprised how much fight a 80lb woman 5'1" woman can give someone when the go absolutely nuts.
Could the officer have waited a bit more or tried to explain things better to the guy? Sure. Was he required to do so? No. The ticket explains EVERYTHING in detail on the back. If an individual says, "I want to read what I am signing first" the cop by law (in most states) has to wait and/or explain things. Could the individual have been less of an ******* and asked the cop for more details? Sure.
A majority of cops dont have power-trips or any other bad thing you can think of. They are just like you and will react to behavior thrown at them just like you or have bad moods just like you. Be cool with them and they'll be cool with you. You might even get out of a ticket that way.
The Dutch movie was rubbish. 3 guys and a camera against an emotional girl. Switch the roles around please before you make a comparison. You want to see a patient american cop? Here you go CLICKY
Gonna have to disagree there. The police officer asked him to step out of the vehicle and he did which shows he was trying to comply with the officers investigation. He pulls the taser out and starts barking orders and that is when the kid is hit with a bit of spinning world to which he is trying to get away from a dangerous situation.
Now going through the ramrod bull**** civil court...sure the cop is within his rights I suppose. If it were me, it would certainly be adjudicated in criminal court to which I would be cleared of any charges and the cop would probably get a refresher course in the proper use of effective force. The point of which is to negate the bull**** that ensued after the officer went over the top and caused all the unnecessary pandemonium.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2008.03.10 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
You sound like you know what you're talking about, what country/state? I have been told by police here that they do need to make physical contact and say "Youre under arrest" before its an arrest. You can tell some guy that youre going to arrest him from 100metres away, or you can tell some guy to get his ass on the ground, doesn't mean he is arrested. Guess it's only really semantics unless you try to charge someone for resisting arrest when you never arrested them to begin with.
And why did that guy need to be restrained at all? He was confused; he got pulled over for a traffic ticket, then he's got some cop pointing a taser at him and screaming. He was walking away from the cop, too. If the guy reached into his car for something, yeah, thats a problem, but he didnt.
Its best to detain someone first and as quickly as possible to avoid any potential violence. You then tell them they are under arrest and the most important part, why they are under arrest. As someone mentioned you can hold/detain someone without arresting them should they pose a threat. Anyone being arrested poses a threat. Some places are going to make it mandatory that you detain someone first before making the arrest as a safety precaution (and many academies teach that). That could be where you are getting the "physical contact" part. I've heard of other locations where the rule is more lax and they tell them they are under arrest before or during the detainment part. Either way if an officer tells you, "you are under arrest"..well you now obligated to remain where you are and follow his directions as he leads you to lockup.
Believe it or not but in the early century police did not have to use handcuffs except for very violent types. They would have the arrested individual stand there while they made a phone call to have a vehicle or carriage pick up the perp. Attitudes have changed a bit since then.
Confused my rear end. The reason why you scream "GET ON THE GROUND" is because its a simple to understand sentence. You scream it loud so there is no chance that a perp will not hear it. You keep it simple because a complex statement will make them confused. The guy knew exactly what was happening and even commented to the cop about what he thought of it. The second he walked back towards his car was justification for the tasering. Under no circumstances do you EVER let a person walk back to their car without you telling them to do so. There could be a weapon, they could attempt to drive off and cause a chase, they could take their family members as hostage. Situations can go from calm to really bad in a very short time and a police officer is trained to prevent that from happening. If you wait till after someone pulls a weapon from a vehicle it may be too late. Especially if his weapon is more effective than yours (american: pistol vs. rifle, UK: baton vs. big butcher knife).
Let me rephrase this in an easier to understand way. As a police officer you put yourself in harms way everyday. The chance that a routine situation could become very violent without any warning is very high especially in the US. You take all precautions to keep yourself safe while carrying out your duties. You have to make a judement call about how much risk you are willing to take. In this case the cop didn't want to risk at all.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 08:54:00 -
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Because we all know tasers are 100% safe to use.
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