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Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:23:00 - [1] After making an incredibly stupid decision I just got podded by a gate camp - totally fairly and this is not a whinge in anyway. However it did get me to thinking - there are 23 people in the camp, all presumably with super duper ships with all the latest modules and there is me - in a cheap crappy number looking to make a foolish shortcut. And lets face it all their 'prey' is going to be just like that too. So where is the fun in that? we empire dwellers are constantly told how hard all you lowsec'ers are but really isn't this the equivalent of small boys pulling the wings of flies? - there was no challenge and I don't even see how it could be fun unless I am missing something..... I reckon I got the best deal since I got to see all the fireworks as my ship and pod went up.
Matsui Hideki	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:25:00 - [2] You posting and crying is where the fun is at.
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Matsui Hideki You posting and crying is where the fun is at. except I am not crying - at all - it was totally fair - I just do not understand how from all the interesting experiences available in Eve how this one provides any sort of challenge or entertainment
Morcam	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:31:00 - [4] There's nothing really exciting or challenging about it, just the isk.
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Morcam There's nothing really exciting or challenging about it, just the isk. are there really enough people as stupid as me to make it worth the while? Blimey!
Valan The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:37:00 - [6] Yes there are thousands of you. Plus most of the others do drop better loot. It takes about as much skill as mining or ratting. Just happens they prefer farming you than rats. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:53:00 - [7] gate campers have epeenie tapes that measure in noobie killmails/day They sit on vent and the convo sounds like "Hurrr hurrr... noobie indy... hurr hurr ... dead ... hurr hurr... " -- The views or opinions I express are solely my own and do not reflect those of my Corporation or Alliance.. Oh, and I'm NOT allowed in CAOD either :)
lolsup	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Luh Windan After making an incredibly stupid decision I just got podded by a gate camp - totally fairly and this is not a whinge in anyway. However it did get me to thinking - there are 23 people in the camp, all presumably with super duper ships with all the latest modules and there is me - in a cheap crappy number looking to make a foolish shortcut. And lets face it all their 'prey' is going to be just like that too. So where is the fun in that? we empire dwellers are constantly told how hard all you lowsec'ers are but really isn't this the equivalent of small boys pulling the wings of flies? - there was no challenge and I don't even see how it could be fun unless I am missing something..... I reckon I got the best deal since I got to see all the fireworks as my ship and pod went up. When I bought my catalyst, I was stupid and didn't see you need to go through a .3 system to get there. I was really nervous, and when I was picked up the catalyst and was flying in it home, I was even more nervous. There was a pirate at the last gate. But I quickly escaped. I guess it's the speed needed to target everything and the rush of adrenaline or something?
benzss Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:55:00 - [9] Gate camping is to pirates what mining is to carebears. It just brings the money in.
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.03.08 13:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi gate campers have epeenie tapes that measure in noobie killmails/day They sit on vent and the convo sounds like "Hurrr hurrr... noobie indy... hurr hurr ... dead ... hurr hurr... " While I was hoping that was the case - I am prepared to except that it is the lowsec equivalent of ratting and probably a much better bet at the weekend as well. Still surprised there are enough people as stupid as me to make it worth their while though.

Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.08 14:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Luh Windan While I was hoping that was the case - I am prepared to except that it is the lowsec equivalent of ratting and probably a much better bet at the weekend as well. Still surprised there are enough people as stupid as me to make it worth their while though. People like you aren't worth it. Instead of asking "is gate camping worth it, where's the skill", you should be asking "why am I not worth killing? how can I get more skill?" Once in a while somebody in expensive ship comes thru. Or somebody brings their own gang looking for a fight. That's when stuff happens.
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.03.08 14:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Luh Windan While I was hoping that was the case - I am prepared to except that it is the lowsec equivalent of ratting and probably a much better bet at the weekend as well. Still surprised there are enough people as stupid as me to make it worth their while though. People like you aren't worth it. Instead of asking "is gate camping worth it, where's the skill", you should be asking "why am I not worth killing? how can I get more skill?" Once in a while somebody in expensive ship comes thru. Or somebody brings their own gang looking for a fight. That's when stuff happens. Fair point. So - I think there where 23 pirates that got me - is it even possible to put up a fight single handed* - and if so what skills/mods I am looking for? *in this case it was just me on my own business - I can see how to put a team together to give them a good fight
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.08 14:05:00 - [13] You know how some people farm rats? Pirates farm you.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.08 14:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Luh Windan While I was hoping that was the case - I am prepared to except that it is the lowsec equivalent of ratting and probably a much better bet at the weekend as well. Still surprised there are enough people as stupid as me to make it worth their while though. People like you aren't worth it. Instead of asking "is gate camping worth it, where's the skill", you should be asking "why am I not worth killing? how can I get more skill?" Once in a while somebody in expensive ship comes thru. Or somebody brings their own gang looking for a fight. That's when stuff happens. Fair point. So - I think there where 23 pirates that got me - is it even possible to put up a fight single handed* - and if so what skills/mods I am looking for? *in this case it was just me on my own business - I can see how to put a team together to give them a good fight 23:1? No, there's not much you can do in any ship to stop that. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.03.08 14:42:00 - [15] Actually, there is but only if you have a lot of time to prepare. I won't give many details as its sort of a trade secret, except to say it involves bombers. Anyway, camping is lame but if killing's your bag, its about the only way to get kills. For a game with as much time spent to balancing combat ships, balanced fights are surprisingly hard to come by. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Morcam	Posted - 2008.03.08 14:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Luh Windan While I was hoping that was the case - I am prepared to except that it is the lowsec equivalent of ratting and probably a much better bet at the weekend as well. Still surprised there are enough people as stupid as me to make it worth their while though. People like you aren't worth it. Instead of asking "is gate camping worth it, where's the skill", you should be asking "why am I not worth killing? how can I get more skill?" Once in a while somebody in expensive ship comes thru. Or somebody brings their own gang looking for a fight. That's when stuff happens. Fair point. So - I think there where 23 pirates that got me - is it even possible to put up a fight single handed* - and if so what skills/mods I am looking for? *in this case it was just me on my own business - I can see how to put a team together to give them a good fight 23:1? No, there's not much you can do in any ship to stop that. According to Ephermeron, all you need to do is get more "Skill"
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.08 15:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Morcam According to Ephermeron, all you need to do is get more "Skill" You do need more skill. Enough skill to get thru your head that you can't win in that situation. That system is temporarily off-limits to you. You need skill to use the map, local, friends, alts, a frig with MWD, all the possible tools to find out where certain death awaits you. It'd also be nice if you had some social skills to team up with people and break the camp, which is a hell of a lot more fun than mission running. In real life, if you see an angry mob walking down the street, are you going to walk toward them or away from them? Are you really going to walk into them and then act surprised and scream "unfair" when they beat you up? No you wouldn't. It's common sense. So why would you act this way in game and not in real life? It's similar situation. There is danger, you have all the tools you need to avoid it. It's not so much "skill" as it is common sense.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.03.08 15:44:00 - [18] Read the Crime & Punishment forum. Have a look at the killboards of some of the corps that engage in regular gate camps. Look at the loot that drops from their victims. It's clearly worth doing in terms of ISK, if nothing else. And if you think your crappy ship isn't worth killing, you should see how often a shuttle or noob ship drops loot worth 100s of millions of ISK. Besides, they enjoy it. Everyone's got to get their kicks somehow.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.08 15:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Cipher7 You know how some people farm rats? Pirates farm you. Nah you got it wrong : In Soviet Rancer , rats farm YOU ! Originally by: Malcanis Here's another EvE-tip: don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.03.08 16:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 08/03/2008 16:05:38 Originally by: Luh Windan So - I think there where 23 pirates that got me - is it even possible to put up a fight single handed* - and if so what skills/mods I am looking for? *in this case it was just me on my own business - I can see how to put a team together to give them a good fight No...you can't fight a camp single handed of that size. We like to search for gate camps and fight them with a gang. It can be very fun pvp. Small gang fights beats blob wars anyday. Pirates are not stupid though, unlike their victims, they tend to have scouts in all surrounding systems making it difficult to get any kind of force close to them without them bailing from the gate. The running is not cowardice, it makes good financial sense. They are there to make isk, not lose ships for my entertainment purposes. Cat and mouse with pirates is a good game, they use pounce spots, scouts, cloaked recons, and every trick they know. It means we have to hide our numbers, use bait, alt probers, and of course offer them numbers they think they can beat. Fighting gate camps is some of the best pew pew to be had, they are usually well fitted, well disciplined, and of course on comms. Any decent camp will be near high quality lev 4 agents, so they do get quite a flow of mission runners, and they tend to drop nice loot.

Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:04:00 - [21] They arnt interested in pvp they are interested in making isk just like peoples in high sec only this way they dont actually have to do anything. its win win for them. Then after 3hrs of no shuttles flying into there 30 man gate camps, they start wondering why people arnt suiciding into them anymore, then come to the forums complaining for more targets. buuhuuuu
Pax Ratlin Gallente Valley Forge	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Cipher7 You know how some people farm rats? Pirates farm you. And judging from an incident yesterday i was involved in most of then pirates are as bad at farming as some miners are at mining i mean they didn't even try asking for a ransom ... stupid idiots were just throwing isk away by just podding me and not even offering to let my pay to live which i would have gladly done. So yeah it appears that gate camping those gates from hi to low sec dosn't require skill ...nor brains just the ability to click a few mouse buttons.
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Pax Ratlin So yeah it appears that gate camping those gates from hi to low sec dosn't require skill ...nor brains just the ability to click a few mouse buttons. Then form a gang and go fight them, if they have no skill, I am sure it will be very easy for you. And next time, use a scout....its not hard
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:15:00 - [24] Edited by: Twin blade on 08/03/2008 17:15:32 Its just a lazy no skill way to pvp with no risk as if local jumps you can just use the gate or if they used that gate your out of jammer range and can just warp off. Simple fact is there is no skill of fun to be had in it but its a great coward's way to pvp with all most no risk. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Pax Ratlin Gallente Valley Forge	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Originally by: Pax Ratlin So yeah it appears that gate camping those gates from hi to low sec dosn't require skill ...nor brains just the ability to click a few mouse buttons. Then form a gang and go fight them, if they have no skill, I am sure it will be very easy for you. And next time, use a scout....its not hard Wow you really missed the point of the entire post didn't you, well thanks for proving my point anyways. Again if your gonna mine something for isk and not take every opportunity to make isk, what does that say about you? .... probably as much as it says about me that i forgot to send a scout ahead ... were both idiots, only i still have my isk and you don't which is the whole point of a pirate camping ... hence me = fail, pirate = epic fail
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:21:00 - [26] The topic can be answered with a lot of questions... Missioning, where is the skill and fun in that? Mining, where is the skill and fun in that? Exploration sites, where is the skill and fun in that? Research, where is the skill and fun in that? Its not there!!! Suprise! Well, gatecamps have the fun smack talker or fun officer/faction loot that occationally comes by. Other than that its isk. If you bring a countergang, their scout will see it and the camp will dock up. A camp doesnt consist of ships fully fitted for battle, most will have sensor boosters and scramblers and webbers to stop ships from escaping. This is why a camping group is a gang of "cowards" they are not looking for a fair fight, they are looking for easy isk. Wait for them to fit for real combat and you will see how much skill a lot of gatecamps contain.
Butch Rodreguiz Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:24:00 - [27] I'm new to this game. However, I've been ganked at least five times in the four days I've been playing. Every single time has been due to gate campers in low sec space. Did it bother me? Probably the first or second time. Did I have insurance? Yes, so it really wasn't a big deal. I guess I got it in my head very quickly not to get attached to my ships. I looked up the players that sacked me and made my own personal revenge list. I looked up their corps and found that they were all part of the same pirate corp. While some people criticize low sec pirates as weaklings who are afraid of 0.0 space, I think most pirates would naturally prey upon the weak for profit gain. Why make your job of pirating more difficult if it is easier to sit at a gate and kill people (though I think kill podding is in bad taste!)? So I don't begrudge them of their actions. They are playing their part in the grand scheme of things. If anything, it is making me more of an alert/informed player. I love this "no holds barred" attitude in the universe of Eve. And I'm very glad the developers foster this type of environment. I wouldn't change a thing.
Ga'old Renovate	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:25:00 - [28] As has been pointed out, there are highs and lows to gatecamps. Sometimes you get a decent drop, sometimes not. Mostly it is about gaining some isk, establishing territory, and establishing reputation in that neighborhood.
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Pax Ratlin Again if your gonna mine something for isk and not take every opportunity to make isk, what does that say about you? .... probably as much as it says about me that i forgot to send a scout ahead ... were both idiots, only i still have my isk and you don't which is the whole point of a pirate camping ... hence me = fail, pirate = epic fail Kind of hot head aren't you. I am not a pirate, this is an industry alt. I have plenty of isk, and somehow I don't die to pirate camps. Odd that. Thanks for the insults...that says quite a lot about you.
Slade Hoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.08 17:50:00 - [30] Gamecamping in lowsec ist just to balance Eves economy...it destroys many modules to keep the proction running. Im happy to have these camps...its a major benefit to all miners and producers



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