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Pax Ratlin
Gallente Valley Forge
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Pax Ratlin on 08/03/2008 18:02:18
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Kind of hot head aren't you.
I am not a pirate, this is an industry alt. I have plenty of isk, and somehow I don't die to pirate camps.
Odd that.
Thanks for the insults...that says quite a lot about you.
I'm sorry if i ruffled your sensative nature, however if you wish to take a general statement and apply it solely to yourself i can't see what i can do to acommodate you.
And now for my own amusement i'll try and restate my point in a different way .. if your in the buisness of making money (no matter how) and you are given a risk free opportunity to increase the money you make .. and then fail to take that opportunity then you are a poor buisnessman.
Of all the pirates i have encountered most of them are poor buisnessmen of all the miners i have talked to they tend to be good buisnessmen.
Perhaps what i should have asked was why do so many bad buisnessmen become pirates?
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Karash Amerius
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:07:00 -
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Its fun for them since they can read about your tears posted here. Its dangerous out there, learn to protect yourself.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/03/2008 18:09:26
Even small fish are smart enough to not swim around alone. :)
--- Its dead, Jim.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:20:00 -
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Gate camping is about as interesting as teleport point on an FPS server. Gets old fast, maybe you get some toys, but it's mostly boring.
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:56:00 -
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gatecamping low sec or 0.0 chokepoints is mind numbingly boring, personally I think the people who do it regualrly suffer from a severe lack of imagination, and in some cases, balls ... Having a low sec 23 man camp is definitely caused by the latter
However, there are some cases where the gatecamp is a good way to get some fun, one man camps are hard to do outside low sec/empire, but are definitely the best fun. You dont know whats going to jump through to you, you will definitely have to be on your toes |
Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Ratlin
And now for my own amusement i'll try and restate my point in a different way .. if your in the buisness of making money (no matter how) and you are given a risk free opportunity to increase the money you make .. and then fail to take that opportunity then you are a poor buisnessman.
Of all the pirates i have encountered most of them are poor buisnessmen of all the miners i have talked to they tend to be good buisnessmen.
That's quite a stupid attitude.
EvE is, you see, a game. Which means the general objective IS to have fun.
However, it also imposes on you the need to make ISK which is neccesary to have fun. Mining, for instance, is preety much the most boring activity you can do in EvE. While it may be profitable, and quite risk-free, it's as fun as watching paint dry.
Good pirates are able to make a nice living off piracy (personally, I make about 200+M per month after losses) and have fun while they're doing it. Bad pirates have to use alts to make ISK.
Now, while gatecamping isn't the most entertaining type of combat, it's not as boring as PvE activities are. There is both risk (as in, people busting it) and fun to be had while camping.
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Mihailo Great
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:18:00 -
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How else are you going to fight someone?
People will safespot, logoff, cloak or dock as soon as someone unfriendly comes into the system.
Gates are where the action is.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Ratlin
Originally by: Cipher7
You know how some people farm rats?
Pirates farm you.
And judging from an incident yesterday i was involved in most of then pirates are as bad at farming as some miners are at mining i mean they didn't even try asking for a ransom ... stupid idiots were just throwing isk away by just podding me and not even offering to let my pay to live which i would have gladly done.
So yeah it appears that gate camping those gates from hi to low sec dosn't require skill ...nor brains just the ability to click a few mouse buttons.
Some people don't PvP for ISK, but instead the boom factor.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:32:00 -
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I can make about five circuits of a pirate haven outside of a well known tradehub. I will generally see not one gatecamp the whole 10 systems run. You haven't bothered to try and go see for yourself and just want to repeat what you heard. Sounds kinda negative but its true.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mihailo Great How else are you going to fight someone?
People will safespot, logoff, cloak or dock as soon as someone unfriendly comes into the system.
Gates are where the action is.
Because the mechanics were designed that way. Doesn't have to be that way.
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: benzss Gate camping is to pirates what mining is to carebears.
It just brings the money in.
I like this outlook!
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND |
IDispatch
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:36:00 -
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Reminds me of my first day in eve..
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Grim Vandal
Caldari Burn Proof
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:41:00 -
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If you kill 200 ships in a mission over and over again noone complains. So where is the right for you to complain???
Honestly I want more realism NOW. either rats should start to complain on the forums why they get farmed all day long or you have to stop whining and take it like your npc brothers.
Really you disturb my immersion.
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Pax Ratlin
Gallente Valley Forge
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Posted - 2008.03.08 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
EvE is, you see, a game. Which means the general objective IS to have fun. However, it also imposes on you the need to make ISK which is neccesary to have fun.
Again i'm making a generlisation here but as far as i'm led to believe by people i have talked to the fun lies in pvp and capital ships and large fleet action .... for which you need isk, lots of isk. Can you have fun without the isk, sure, now try and convince more than 10 poeple you havn't met before that that is the case ....
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Good pirates are able to make a nice living off piracy (personally, I make about 200+M per month after losses) and have fun while they're doing it. Bad pirates have to use alts to make ISK.
Thanks you managing to say in one sentence what i can take upto half a page to say.
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Now, while gatecamping isn't the most entertaining type of combat, it's not as boring as PvE activities are. There is both risk (as in, people busting it) and fun to be had while camping.
Never gate camped so i can't say if it's better or worse than PvE, but the risk involved in gate camping those gates between high and low sec i would imagine is about the same as mining .... i.e. very little. Because anyone coming through with a fleet to kill campers i would imagine (i have that phrase on cut and paste btw) would only ever see the parking lights on the campers ship as they dock. Everyone else is either a newbie, a scout or someone like me who has a serious attack of stupidity and wanders through the gate while half asleep.
My problem ISN'T with gate camping IT IS with bad gate campers who can't make the money, that they think they need, and then i would imagine come on the forums saying the game is broke and we need to do something to force people into low sec.
Sorry i don't see why i should be forced to change the way i player the game because your bad at doing what you have chose to do.
Adapt or die.
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gfldex
Kabelkopp
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Posted - 2008.03.08 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Luh Windan there was no challenge
There was a challenge and it was provided to you. You took it and failed. --
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.09 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Ratlin
Originally by: Cpt Branko
EvE is, you see, a game. Which means the general objective IS to have fun. However, it also imposes on you the need to make ISK which is neccesary to have fun.
Again i'm making a generlisation here but as far as i'm led to believe by people i have talked to the fun lies in pvp and capital ships and large fleet action .... for which you need isk, lots of isk. Can you have fun without the isk, sure, now try and convince more than 10 poeple you havn't met before that that is the case ....
The amount of ISK which you need really depends on what you're looking at doing. Obviously people who want to do capital ships (which is, from what I've seen, far from entertaining) need more ISK then someone who is interested in low-sec piracy, particularly if you're not into flying faction-fit BS solo or something outrageously stupid like that.
Honestly, the lag-infested large fleet fights are not very interesting, and anything involving cap ships isn't a whole lot of fun either.
Originally by: Pax Ratlin
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Now, while gatecamping isn't the most entertaining type of combat, it's not as boring as PvE activities are. There is both risk (as in, people busting it) and fun to be had while camping.
Never gate camped so i can't say if it's better or worse than PvE, but the risk involved in gate camping those gates between high and low sec i would imagine is about the same as mining .... i.e. very little. Because anyone coming through with a fleet to kill campers i would imagine (i have that phrase on cut and paste btw) would only ever see the parking lights on the campers ship as they dock. Everyone else is either a newbie, a scout or someone like me who has a serious attack of stupidity and wanders through the gate while half asleep.
Well, erm, camps are very safe in ideal conditions. Let me describe ideal conditions: -you have a scout on the other side in high-sec checking traffic and spotting fleets/blobs. -you have a scout on the other gates so nobody can come behind you either -all pilots in local are accounted for and are not a threat
These conditions are often not met. Also, many people do, in fact, camp in small groups which do not fullfill these conditions. I know I've killed a number of ships under sentries operating blind essentially (having no idea what's on the other side of a gate/in system) - you see a opportunity, you take it.
Originally by: Pax Ratlin
My problem ISN'T with gate camping IT IS with bad gate campers who can't make the money, that they think they need, and then i would imagine come on the forums saying the game is broke and we need to do something to force people into low sec.
People who whine are always annoying. However, this thread DID start as a whine about gatecamping. It's only reasonable to expect counter-whining.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux Actually, there is but only if you have a lot of time to prepare. I won't give many details as its sort of a trade secret, except to say it involves bombers.
Anyway, camping *is* lame but if killing's your bag, its about the only way to get kills. For a game with as much time spent to balancing combat ships, balanced fights are surprisingly hard to come by.
Which is sad really. It is the reason why there are so many carebears in the game. It is because the PvP is a big joke.
Skill?...lol There is no skill in this game's pvp.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:04:00 -
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Mission Running - where is the skill or fun in that? ...
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:08:00 -
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People gate camp because
1.local does not traverse solar systems
2.iteron's with the holy grail in their cargo do not rat in belts
3.local is the most annoying thing ever
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The General
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:15:00 -
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Swigg camps gates because we like to make stuff go boom. We don't care what or who goes boom, and we don't care if we make any profit from it. As long as we get to see pretty explosions we are happy. We really aren't looking for fair fights when we camp a gate, we are just looking to make those pretty explosions happen. Its fun for us, and its good practice for the newer members to better learn about how to maximize their ships ability to kill.
If you like to see stuff go boom too, and your current corp/alliance ain't providing it, head on down to alperaute and join us. We will show ya all the most fun places to gate camp and make those pretty explosions.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:41:00 -
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Profit from the occasional good kill/ransom, easy killmails for E-peen, and the satisfaction of knowing that you probably just ruined someone's day.
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Luh Windan
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Posted - 2008.03.09 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
People who whine are always annoying. However, this thread DID start as a whine about gatecamping. It's only reasonable to expect counter-whining.
I really object to that - I stated that it was not a whine and that I was killed through my own stupidity. Not being a pirate I had not seen the Isk gathering potential of gate camping, nor had I realized that there are as many people regularly as stupid as I was for that moment - the piece of information I was missing but that makes sense out of gate camping.
I have learned a lot from this thread - but it was not a whine.
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Donna Maria
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.09 09:05:00 -
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I just do not understand how from all the interesting experiences available in Eve how this one provides any sort of challenge or entertainment.. =
Words of Whinedom.. Im the girl momma warned you about..
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.03.09 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
No...you can't fight a camp single handed of that size. We like to search for gate camps and fight them with a gang. It can be very fun pvp. Small gang fights beats blob wars anyday.
Well, as much as I didnt want to mention it.. i couldnt let this one pass :)
The only time i seen your guys looking for "small gang fights" you brought several MOMS with ya. Valid tactic, but dont try the "loneley pvpers" routine.
Regards
SKUNK
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Thornat
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Posted - 2008.03.09 09:40:00 -
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You have to understand that underneath the outstanding graphics Eve is in a lot of ways a major step backwards in time design wise. Its design philosophy is not too unlike Ultima Online in which very little effort is made to eliminate aspects of the game that ultimatly allow players to have fun in devious ways. For example in Ultima Online you had skills like Pick Pocket which were effectivly a way for players to steal from each other.
Eve falls into the same umbrella with its no holds bar, unchecked, all out PvP. It is a game that accepts that its fun to abuse people, call it the "fun at the expense of others" design philosophy.
As players you have to simply make a decesion as to whether or not the game has enough other parts to make it worth playing, this is ultimatly the decesion every carebear has to make when he enters the world of Eve. Of course there is also the daily decesion to simply not enter low sec and null sec which about 80% of EveŠs population does.
My recommendation however is to adapt. In the end I would advice you that if you canŠt beat them, join them. You would be amazed on how fun the game becomes when you stop trying to avoid the conflicts out there and start looking for them. More importantly you would be suprised to find out that the large majority of the so called PvPers are idiots and quite easily outmanuvered and out fought. In fact gate campers are among the biggest ******s of them all, anyone worth his salt in PvP knows that gate camping is completetly pointless and no self respecting PvPer would bother with it. There are very few good reasons to camp a gate and from a tactical perspective it is a very bad position to be in, after all if people know where you are, what you are flying it puts you at a major disadvantage. Gate camps are very easy to break up and when they do get broken up the losses to the gate campers are usually pretty severe.
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Cottage Pie
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Posted - 2008.03.09 11:46:00 -
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It's fun compared to mining an asteroid I guess.
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BeddingPlants
Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Butch Rodreguiz I'm new to this game. However, I've been ganked at least five times in the four days I've been playing. Every single time has been due to gate campers in low sec space. Did it bother me? Probably the first or second time. Did I have insurance? Yes, so it really wasn't a big deal. I guess I got it in my head very quickly not to get attached to my ships.
I looked up the players that sacked me and made my own personal revenge list. I looked up their corps and found that they were all part of the same pirate corp. While some people criticize low sec pirates as weaklings who are afraid of 0.0 space, I think most pirates would naturally prey upon the weak for profit gain. Why make your job of pirating more difficult if it is easier to sit at a gate and kill people (though I think kill podding is in bad taste!)?
So I don't begrudge them of their actions. They are playing their part in the grand scheme of things. If anything, it is making me more of an alert/informed player. I love this "no holds barred" attitude in the universe of Eve. And I'm very glad the developers foster this type of environment. I wouldn't change a thing.
Very well said. This attitude causes you to win EvE.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:02:00 -
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Well i can understand the 'fun' part, reducing a noob to space dust in mere seconds with ur mates must seem hillarious to some people... _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:07:00 -
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BUT HOLD ON NOW.
They pvp to get isk? To farm isk from those they kill? Ok but doesnt all that isk go to pvp stuff? So at wich point are these people pvping? 99% never. They just buy better gate camp ships/equipment. Tbh blobbers are mostly noobs and chickens that DONT live for real pvp.
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