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Battle Dog
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Battle Dog on 08/03/2008 20:58:23
im gutted uk didnt put up a better fight i can only assume they decided they didnt want to continue in tourny and blew the last of there budget on the kronos
im sorry but i refuse to belive they thought they could win with that setup
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NinjaTurtle
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:59:00 -
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I expected a much better tank on those Typhoons, looked like it was gunna be a hell of a match. 25 sentries though, thats rough.
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Battle Dog
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:02:00 -
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still they must have expected to face sentrys from drone boats and from what i saw the typhoons werent firing anythng other than the smarties. its possible they were jammed by ew on rifters but it wouldnt have been massivly effective they should have been able to launch missiles if they had them
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:03:00 -
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Our setup was designed to take on heavy logistics setup - not a nano fleet.
They made a great call and I think you are underplaying what eXceed fielded.
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Battle Dog
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:06:00 -
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that maybe so but surly those typhoons werent fitted with torps? and the kronos didnt seem to be hitting anything even if you faced a logistic setup you would have struggled to kill any frigs or possible even cruisers they brought as they could just run
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Commander Tigre
Minmatar
Underworld Protection Agency
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:08:00 -
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UK fielded a very specific setup. It failed because the other team wasnt what it was expected to be, it happens in a tourney where you dont know what your opponent is going to field. Dont knock it for fielding the typhoons either, you just need lots of SP to field the damn things properly.
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:10:00 -
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Watch the fight again tomorrow and see where their ships went and what they did.
I look forward to seeing all your setups that could have beaten what they deployed.
Mags.
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Xavok
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:12:00 -
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It is awesome to be advancing in the tourney. At this stage in the game the fight is usually won or lost before the fight even begins, at the set-up stage. If you field unusual set-ups as the IXC team did, it can easily beat teams designed around the latest fad set-up (i.e., this year's dual logistics set-up). Just because the set-up isn't apparently obvious doesn't mean it's bad. Congrats to UK for making it as far as they did let's go IXC! Not bad for a corp known only for our stealth bomber ops!
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:12:00 -
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You are totally wrong to flame UK, as with most of the matches its as much about guesing what the other side is going to go with as it is getting your own set-up right.
They reasonably assumed we would go dual guardian and dual curse again after getting 2 THD using that team and so they picked a high dps team with loads of amarr jammers to counter that.
They gambled and lost after we fielded something different and that is pretty much all you can say.
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Boat Violencer
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:14:00 -
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You didn't drop any drones? You overshoot the things you were going to hit and what, that kronos, what was he shooting at? If he was webbed he should have zomg99% webbed whatever was webbing him and instapop it.
From what we saw it was a bit of bad luck with the opposition you had and that overshoot and bad calls during the fight |
linux4ever
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:15:00 -
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good fight uk
and what the **** is wrong with wroong with you ppl flaming uk they did not deserve that they fight good in the tourney
so stop ******* flaming them
greets to my exceed fellas
and to state this again i am not nukem4ever....:D
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:17:00 -
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It's been explained recently as Rock/Paper/Scissors - any setup can be beaten if the opposition turns up with the perfect counter and until you appear on the field, you have almost no idea what you are facing.
Why rip on UK for losing ?
Also with UK going through if they won the match, why the hell would they throw it ?
Smells like bad smack to me, and they don't deserve it.
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Boat Violencer
You didn't drop any drones? You overshoot the things you were going to hit and what, that kronos, what was he shooting at? If he was webbed he should have zomg99% webbed whatever was webbing him and instapop it.
From what we saw it was a bit of bad luck with the opposition you had and that overshoot and bad calls during the fight
The kronos had nothing in range. The Ishtars dropped their sentry seed and then moved out to a long range orbit to watch and laugh.
We did drop drones, but as you may be aware drones are useless against nanoships.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
We did drop drones, but as you may be aware drones are useless against nanoships.
The commentators failed to realise our team was nano'd 
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
The commentators failed to realise our team was nano'd
Need's more verone and ninjaturtle tbh.
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Battle Dog
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Battle Dog on 08/03/2008 21:26:29
im not flaming anybody im merely stating my disbelief that uk would go with such a setup seriously after all there good performances so far, i would have expected them to field something that would have been able to deal with more than one of the possible setup types they could have faced. i am not critising the fact typhoons were used either i have been looking forward to seeing them actually i am just shocked how they were used and apparently fitted.
Again sorry if uk feel i am insulting them here you guys have performed well and i had isk on you to make the semis and even win the tourny.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:28:00 -
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You gave it your all UK. If nothing else you came into the tourney with the legacy of the 2nd tourney heaped onto your shoulders by all who saw it. You were looked at sceptically and predicted to do little and your first two matches were called in your opponent's favour no sooner than when they were under way. And you beat them both.
Ironically things stopped going your way when people started rooting for you.
So.... what we seem to have learned here is... UK needs flaming more.
As far as I am concerned though you guys did well. Though it seems in all seriousness that you did your best when you were not trying to be fancy. When you want a nail putting through a board you just hit it with a hammer. Thats what you did. If the 6th toruney would be made into an all cruiser fight, you would win it all.
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:29:00 -
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Dude, you want to see how they fitted look up our killboard and stop the speculation.. the API pul already has them there..
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:31:00 -
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I dont mind the questioning - with the commentators failing to see what was going on in that fight then I would expect nothing else.
Now I guess you know why we fielded that setup - lets see your match winning anti-nano fleets please....
All I can think of is another nano-fleet - can that kill a logistics setup? I dont think so.
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YellowMoon
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:35:00 -
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Good fight UK. You don't deserve the criticism here. You brought a counter to what you thought we would bring... Perfectly logical thing to.
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:39:00 -
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Thanks to eXceed. That was a painful battle and a great lesson in the power of speed!
Really enjoyed this tournement.
Maggot.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 08/03/2008 21:41:05
To the muppets slagging UK off: if we brought dual logistics we would have got totally raped by ushra, as they had full set of amarr jammers on those kitsunes, noses and gank on the BSes.
Made a gambit expecting to them to bring rock to our scissor so we fielded paper and then it *looks* like their setup utterly failed but if u engage your brain for a second you can see its all about the luck of calling the bluff/double bluff.
And tbh, given the fact if uk draw with us they wud still be out and we'd be thru there was little they could field that could avoid losing, or drawing to a nano team.
edit: oh and GF maggot and uk o7
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:43:00 -
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We expected to see eXceed field some kind of defensive setup to deny us points. our setup was designed to kill their cap and hammer down on them once they couldn't remote rep each other, be it a logistics or a BS setup.
They fielded something totally different and side stepped us entirely. Very well played by them I think. I am frankly staggered at how fast those sentries ripped into our phoons (which were plated) and when their Ishtars are moving at 4km/s they become very hard to catch and take down.
We expected curse, guardians, maybe abbadons and gambled on our jamming to go against that. None of it was on the field. They did not present BS or logistics to bring our neuts and BS weapons to bear on. 4km/s Ishtars can avoid that easily.
We were out guessed and out maneouvered. Well done eXceed.
I remain proud of our first two solid wins and even our third match against roadkill was extremely close despite the final score. I'm very proud of the effort put in by our members and extend my personal thanks to every dsingle pilot who helped us to achieve all we did.
Congratulations to both KIA and eXceed, good luck in your next matches.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:45:00 -
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Interesting, I missed the match, but couldn't you guys kill the sentries ?
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Maggot
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Interesting, I missed the match, but couldn't you guys kill the sentries ?
Thats what we tried doing the second we realised we were up against nanos.
Sentries are tough buggers.
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YellowMoon
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:50:00 -
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The drones were spread out.
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Interesting, I missed the match, but couldn't you guys kill the sentries ?
They deployed them in small clusters scattered around the arena and we lacked enough smarties and time to get off the cycles to start popping them. When you see the match and how fast massed sentries chewed through our phoons you'll see what I mean.
Great move on their part scattering sentries like that.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:17:00 -
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I wasnt involved in the tourney except as an observer, but you really have to give credit where credit was due, and in this case eXceed really pulled off a great win. I hope to see them go far, and I think with the skill shown here they have it in them to surprise everyone.
U'K came into this tourney with nobody expecting anything from our boys, but we gathered a few fans and learnt some (hard) lessons. I would have liked to see a win, but you cant have everything now can you?
Just my personal opinion here.
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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar
Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.03.08 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sao Rigoa
wall of illiterate text
Dude... really.. www.dict.org for all your needs.
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Calmdown
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.08 23:21:00 -
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Ive done nothing but praise UK on and off camera all tourney, but that setup was horrible. Regardless of what the opposition did, you would have still died horribly to dual logistics. In the time it took you to cap them out and then kill them, you wouldve been torn to bits by whatever DPS there was.
I stand by my point that you should bring setups that are made to beat what your enemy may field, but even had you fielded a good counter setup, you simply cant be THAT specific and pigeonhole yourself that much.
Great tourney to UK, though. I wish the camera had cut back to the studio for me dancing when I saw Typhoons being fielded :P
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