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Shy Gal
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Posted - 2008.03.09 01:46:00 -
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Ive just started out as a miner and I am currently flying an Osprey cruiser. I have searched some websites but most of the info is confusing. Basicly I am trying to find the ore that will turn over the most profit to mine, I tried some of the higher ones but it seemed that it took forever and I only got a little back. Right now I am pretty much solo so is there a happy medium I can find somewhere between profit and being able to do it alone? Also finding cirtain ores has been hard, I was trying to find jaspet but I just dont know how to find the closest place from where I am to where it is.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.09 01:59:00 -
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Not sure, really
Jaspet and similar ores can only be found in lowsec. These -are- more profitable than anything you'll find in hisec. However, you need to be careful, find a good lowsec system, and have a way to dispatch any belt rats.
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Master Entreri
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:34:00 -
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In high sec I think Veldspar is the best, but I'm not a miner. As for whether to mine solo or not, its always good to have a mining buddy. You can either both mine or one can haul.
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Kanadesh
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Shy Gal
Ive just started out as a miner and I am currently flying an Osprey cruiser. I have searched some websites but most of the info is confusing. Basicly I am trying to find the ore that will turn over the most profit to mine, I tried some of the higher ones but it seemed that it took forever and I only got a little back. Right now I am pretty much solo so is there a happy medium I can find somewhere between profit and being able to do it alone? Also finding cirtain ores has been hard, I was trying to find jaspet but I just dont know how to find the closest place from where I am to where it is.
Jaspet is down in low-security space. The best ore ISK wise would be Omber or Kernite. Many belts in high security space will be stripped dry, especially around the more populous Caldari regions.
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Kneebone
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:57:00 -
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Veldspar is actually not, I've run the numbers and Plagioclase is better by about 15-20% due to the Mex selling for 30+ ISK. Veldspar will get you the most volume in terms of minerals, but its quality you want for making money.
Shy, check out the following forum post:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434899
It links to the complete Eve Miner's guide and gives you a good rundown of pretty much everything you want/need to know.
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The Geoman
Gallente
Anarchos Industrial Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.09 04:06:00 -
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Plagioclase is currently one of the best high-sec ores at the moment. Omber has really taken a dive, and last I checked was worth less than veldspar, overall. Remember not to calculate the unit price alone, but rather the price by volume, since this is what you're actually hauling. Omber may have a higher unit price, but one unit is also considerably larger than units of things like veldspar, scordite, and plagio.
Always check the market to see the trends, because things do change.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.09 04:12:00 -
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Kernite may be the best. It's only found in high-sec in Amarr systems, though, because CCP noticed Amarr are the least popular race and they want to attract people to move over there.
Also look at your character's skills in refining. My first character made more money with veldspar than anything else, simply because he had Veldspar Processing developed and could refine it into tritanium better than he could refine any other ore. Thus he captured a little extra value that he wouldn't have if he'd merely sold the unprocessed ore.
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Shy Gal
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Posted - 2008.03.09 04:35:00 -
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ok in the case of plasioclase, is it more profitable to just sell it straight out or to refine it and sell the minerals?
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The Geoman
Gallente
Anarchos Industrial Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.09 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shy Gal
ok in the case of plasioclase, is it more profitable to just sell it straight out or to refine it and sell the minerals?
If you have a high refining skill, then yes, it might be. But you'll have to do some math. Select "refine", and see what the results are...but don't accept just yet. Calculate the value of the minerals you'd get. If its more than the ore would be if you sold it unrefined, then refine it.
Keep in mind, too, that you'll need high standing with whatever corp runs the station you're using to refine it, or else you'll have to pay a "tax" in the form of some of those minerals. Eventually you will want to take care of that problem as well...it means a lot of mission running :)
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IVeige
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Posted - 2008.03.09 05:32:00 -
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try this :
http://www.fluidorbit.co.uk/
http://www.evegeek.com/orecalc.php
hope this help
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Bears Inc
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:27:00 -
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The best ore to mine depends...
In fact there is no 'better ore' but a better ore in the condition you have (market demand, amount you have to mine, how long it willl take from mine to sell, the chances you lose your mining ship/hauler im processs...)
Take im mind that EVE market its player driven and the offer/demand law(and several others real life market rules) apply there. So a good ore to mine its a ore with high demand and low offer. But this will change at all times, since the miner will try to mine the better ore he can.
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Jim Nakamura
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.09 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Nakamura on 09/03/2008 10:38:06
You should be able to get 0% refinery waste at highsec stations with only a few skills. Do a few missions for the station owner's corp and get your Social skills up to improve your standing, and you'll pay less tax. Together, you can potentially get 100% refining yield - compared to the base 90% you get from refining at minimal skills and standing. No matter what you're diggin up, that's a big boost. Even if you only bother improving your yield a little bit, you can quite easily get 5% extra, which is a lot when you're talking about a few hours investment training a couple of skills.
Also, I always think it's worth refining ores, unless you're selling from the station you're mining at. Reason being that minerals take up a fraction of the cargo space of ore, so the more time you have to waste lugging ore between stations to sell it, the more time you can spend mining. And again, it's not as simple as "what sells for more", you need to balance whether it's more effective to sell it in situ, or to spend the extra time hauling it a few systems over and selling for maybe 5% more.
And if you haven't already, do everything you easily can to improve your base mining yield in the first place. An Osprey should be able to handle two MLU Is and three Miner IIs, which can make a massive improvement if you're still using crappy Miner I lasers. An extra level in Astrogeology or Cruiser can give similarly dramatic gains for only a little extra time investment in skills.
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Goa Vibe
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Posted - 2008.03.10 20:23:00 -
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i have perfect refine and no tax, so i always refine....
one thing i noticed is that when mining the higher grade ores (gniess, kern) ... they 'refine down' more than the low grade ores. Meaning while you mine the exact same volume of ore per hour, the refined minerals from higher grade ores are easier to ship off if needed (ie: sell or use elsewhere)
mining lasers specify a specific volume of ore it extracts, NOT units... that is why you have a higher 'count' of veld when you mine than with kern.
1 unit veld ore = 0.1m3 (at 250m3 mining capacity, thats 2500 units of veld ore)
batch of 333 units of veld = 1000 trit
10,000m3 of veld = 100,000 units of veld,
refines to: 100,000 / 333 * 1000
= 300,300 units of refined mineral (trit)
= 3,003m3 volume of refined mineral
1 unit kern ore = 1.2m3 (at 250m3 mining capacity, that's roughly 208 units of kern ore)
batch of 400 kern = 386 trit, 773 mex, 386 iso
10,000m3 of kern = 8,333 units of kern,
refines to: 8,333 / 400 * (386+773+386)
= 32,186 units of refined mineral (trit/mex/iso)
= 321.9 m3 volume of refined mineral.
did i get that right?
so if i spend an hour mining kern and an hour mining veld, I am going to have about 10 times more volume in refined trit from veld than I would have refined minerals from kern. Would I prefer moving 10 loads of trit, or 1 load of trit/mex/iso? hmmm..
as far as "best ore"... that depends on your situation
more people buying or selling in your system?
which ores, minerals?
are you going to transport ore/minerals to your buyer?
does your refining skill (less waste) let you make more money selling refined minerals than selling ore?
as for me:
I do a ISK/minute comparison of all ores on a spreadsheet.
I collect buy prices for each mineral I can mine (trit, mex, iso, nocx, zy, ETC)
Figure out my "m3 mining per minute" capacity.
Divide this by the volume of 1 unit of that ore ( / 0.1 for veld, / 1.2 for kern)
(An easier way to get at this number is to fire your mining lasers up and see how many units you get after a minute, 3 minutes for mining barges. More accurate since fractions of ore can't be extracted)
Divide by the batch size of the ore (veld = 333 in a batch)
Multiply result by the number of each mineral you get per batch (400 units kern = 1 batch kern = 386 trit, 773 mex, 386 iso)
Result is how much refined mineral you get per minute.
For each mineral, get the price at which you expect to sell each at.
Multiply quantity of mineral by sell price, add all these together
Result is ISK per minute.
Once you have your chart setup, all you really have to do is alter market prices whenever you feel it needs it.
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Jim Nakamura
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.10 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Goa Vibe
Edited by: Goa Vibe on 10/03/2008 20:39:59
Jim, I doubt a newbie can put a MLU on an Osprey, they will more than likely need 1 or 2 coprocessors to run Miner IIs (osprey has no cpu redux bonus)
I've got three Miner IIs, two ML upgrades and one coprocessor on my alt's Osprey, and that's only with Electronics at 4 (which I think I started with as a Prospector anyway). No spare CPU for any silly little luxuries like a tank, mind you, but it fits. Just... Even without a coprocessor and Electronics 3, you should be able to fit three Miner IIs and a single MLU.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:38:00 -
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a while back it was (in the forge) ( my data is almost 2 months old)
-best-
kernite
pagioclase
scordite
veldspar
omber
-worst-
(jaspet is somewhere between scordiete and omber, it refines for some nice stuff but is very bulky and not worth much in terms of isk/m3)
in terms of isk/m3, isk/m3 because you mine/haul in m3, aka how much isk fits in your cargohold.
not too hard to make a spreadsheet to give you the current figures. *note to self update prices*
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Dreadchain
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
a while back it was (in the forge) ( my data is almost 2 months old)
-best-
kernite
pagioclase
scordite
veldspar
omber
-worst-
Looks about right, but i'd flip scordite under veldspar. Trit prices rocketed a bit lately.
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Horoc'h Ryydell
Gallente
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Horoc''h Ryydell on 11/03/2008 15:51:24
isk/m3 ORE
102.12Kernite
96.51Plagioclase
84.34Scordite
81.98Veldspar
74.94Pyroxeres
66.51Omber
Thats with prices from matari index, today.
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Hammer Stevens
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:28:00 -
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just curious but the prices you quote, is that per unit? or what? Most veldspar I see tops out at 7-8.7 isk per unit. What system are you in that has such high prices?
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The Geoman
Gallente
Anarchos Industrial Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.11 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hammer Stevens
just curious but the prices you quote, is that per unit? or what? Most veldspar I see tops out at 7-8.7 isk per unit. What system are you in that has such high prices?
Because of the index he's using, its likely to be based off doing your own refines on the ores. Therefore the ore's value is the cumulative total of the value of the minerals. Ultimately, this makes the most sense, since many people who buy the raw ore are doing it to profit by doing the refine themselves.
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