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Amateratsu
Caldari
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2008.03.09 11:12:00 -
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Can any enlightened market analists explain the massive drop in price of Tech II?
for example, couple months ago command ships were selling at over 200m. Now you can pick up a Sleipnir for a mere 124m, a drop of 38%.
Yet prices of the raw materials needed to build the TII construction componants appear to have remained steady.
Is it just a case of over supply and players selling at below invention/production costs just to keep ahead of the competition? Or is there something else going on?
Would be interested to hear others thoughts, to satisfy my curiosity
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Amateratsu
Caldari
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:00:00 -
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It appears like inventors are selling at a loss.
I got lucky with a streak of 4 5 run Succeeding allowing me to produce 20 Sleipnir's
for approx 120m each (inc cost of inventing the bpc's).
Had only 1 or 2 of those jobs succeeded, the production costs would have been much higher, which makes me wonder how all these inventors are turning a profit.
Im well aware of the effect the intorduction of invention had on the bpo owners, but for inventors to sell at a loss makes no sense to me...
Unless they have a means to aquire the raw materials at heavily discounted prices
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Amateratsu
Caldari
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2008.03.09 17:27:00 -
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This example says it all...
Raptor (Caldari Interceptor)
Perfect ME build cost approx 6m (if you buy the componants off the market)
Invented BPC -5 ME build cost approx 10m (ignoring cost of inventing the bpc's)
Current Jita price for a Raptor...... 5.9m
Not a lot one can say to that....
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Amateratsu
Caldari
Terra Incognita
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Posted - 2008.03.09 19:50:00 -
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 Originally by: 7ever
Edited by: 7ever on 09/03/2008 18:54:32
A bigger problem than all of you are realizing is the Moon Material cost. Dysprosium for one (Promethium for two) has increased 10 fold since last summer and 90% of all of these moons are currently held by RA (the russians). This is their new complex isk making whoring scheme and they are raping people for the stuff.
CCP needs to release T2 harvesters & open up 0.4 and do something about the balance of high end moon mats to end this problem.
Cost of Absolution last summer off the jita market = 65 mil, cost now = 110 mil (OUCH!!!) This is with the BPO, not invention.
The drop in ship prices is due to the long and drawn out war and the fact that CCP still has done nothing about insurance. People are not buying T2 as much anymore, as BS's in fleet are insurable and the cost of BS sized t2 mods are cheap enough to negate the reasoning to buy a smaller t2 ship. The market normally goes through this type of cycle and the t2 market eventually increases, but because of the moon mat problem, manufacturers are desperate to have enough isk to buy the next months supply to keep building.
In end, something needs to be done about moon mat abundancy, t2 harvesters, insurance and moon monopolies in order to restore balance to the t2 market. This is not an invention problem, as they are capped at making money and will always allow t2 bpo owners to make isk.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that CCP's stupid Jump freighters are completely ripping a hole in the t2 component market. YOU INTRODUCED MOON MAT CONSUMERS ON THE MARKET WITHOUT INCREASING SUPPLY YOU MORONS!! (to CCP).
Anyways, it'll be 6mo-12mo before CCP realizes wtf is going on and makes a fix that probably will be too little of a fix or too much of a fix.
THE END.
I don't think the cost of the raw materials is the issue here, as that should push the price of the finished products higher as producers compensate for increased costs in materials.
The problem appears to lie in the fact that too many producers are willing to sell at a loss or for neglegeble profit margins and don't realise they are shooting themselfs in the foot.
Why are inventors/producers willing to do that? Competition? Isk farmers? Srugs.....
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