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Absolom Hues Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.03.10 17:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Kruel A suicide ganker isn't a pirate... it's a suicide ganker. ;) Real pirates don't suicide gank because they're trapped in low sec with a -10 sec status. I never stated that suicide gankers were pirates.... I simply replied to the statement that pirates dropped much better loot than carebears. It seems by the rise of suicide attacks on mission runners, that the "carebears" must also fit good items into thier ships.
Maxpie Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.03.10 19:57:00 - [32] It would be very cool if there were some real fix to the broken bounty system. Unfortunately, I don't believe there can be one. A good start, imo, would be to get rid of alts entirely (1 char per account). But even then, friends could pod you for the bounty. At least getting rid of alts would also solve a lot of other problems and reduce metagaming. But yes, making your living as an Eve version of Boba Fett would be frickin awesome. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.10 20:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Ghellam Why not create true outlaw space? (Yes, I know 0.0 is considered outlaw space.) I also know that 0.0 contains true-sec systems, but I'm talking about a visible marking in the systems security on the map being negative. Not sure where the systems would go exactly...to keep it balanced mixed in with the rest of the empire space. That way an unsuspecting carebear can jump into outlaw space just like outlaws can jump into high-sec. :) BOOM! They already have it, its called Low Sec.
Bodhisattvas Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.10 20:34:00 - [34] Originally by: mahj Edited by: mahj on 09/03/2008 13:32:51 Edited by: mahj on 09/03/2008 13:31:46 There is no benefit to hunting pirates in this game. Why? The bounty system is borked, NPCs dont seem to care if a player is -10 or not, you can still have a +10 rating to a npc faction,and be -10 pirate just not be in there space? When you buy the game it says you can be a bounty hunter, but due to game mechanics its unworkable and unprofitable.If CCP needs some ideas to get this game play working. I got some.give a bonus to +standings like access to a great ship, make good players be able to be officers in concord or factions. A special skill to call concord backup once a day or somthing. not uber of course.there must be many more incentives i havent thought of to make the game more balanced between yar and defenders of the empire. seems like the game is all about being bad the last few years, time for a change. Reward is chalking up the kill unless of course you happen to be part of a blob which makes the kill, which is very unrewarding but thats more a choice of how you prefer to do business. Reward is also in modules retrieved, if you want your name in lights and ticker tape parades for killing peeps then it aint gonna happen.
Securion Wolfheart Not Like Most	Posted - 2008.03.11 02:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Originally by: PhantomVyper why would they need anything else?! Because, as a whole, the 'good guys' are so bad? Nah. Read my sig. The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns...
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.11 02:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Lodhi in the end all "good guys" turn in to "bad guys" and vice versa. so stop crying and go pew-pew some and loot them, theres your reward. Is it bad I pirate hunt with one character and pirate with the other? ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.11 02:30:00 - [37] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Lodhi in the end all "good guys" turn in to "bad guys" and vice versa. so stop crying and go pew-pew some and loot them, theres your reward. Is it bad I pirate hunt with one character and pirate with the other? I do both with one character. ================================================== Hi Mods. Can you please write something in my sig? I wanna be cool too.
Darth Schweinebacke Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.11 03:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Maxpie It would be very cool if there were some real fix to the broken bounty system. Unfortunately, I don't believe there can be one. A good start, imo, would be to get rid of alts entirely (1 char per account). But even then, friends could pod you for the bounty. At least getting rid of alts would also solve a lot of other problems and reduce metagaming. But yes, making your living as an Eve version of Boba Fett would be frickin awesome. Yeah. Reducing the number of chars per account will really solve this problem, especially whereas it has nothing to with the whole thing, unless you are the only player who can log in several chars on the same account at once. Really good idea m8.
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:40:00 - [39] You ask why the 'Good Guys' aren't rewarded? The short and not so sweet answer is: Crime Pays... Carebears whine... .Period. Aside from all of that, one could argue the true definition of 'Good Guys'. Just because we are doesn't mean we are the bad guys. Perhaps you 'Good Guys' have forced us into becoming a But I'm a because I want to be a because it's more fun to than it is to ----------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| -----------------------------------------------
mahj Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Syniztur You ask why the 'Good Guys' aren't rewarded? The short and not so sweet answer is: Crime Pays... Carebears whine... .Period. Aside from all of that, one could argue the true definition of 'Good Guys'. Just because we are doesn't mean we are the bad guys. Perhaps you 'Good Guys' have forced us into becoming a But I'm a because I want to be a because it's more fun to than it is to Fine, i am not complaining about pirates i just want a viable proffesion to be able to hunt you and still make $$. I enjoy ruining a pirates day by turning the tables, and with game play like it is. This is not realy possible. sure i could use a few bill to outft a bunch of ships and go at it and at most break even. or maybe jam some suicide gankers and watch them burn.. but wheres the isk? In other games the "pirates" always had more risk and droped way better or more than regular players. Players would salivate looking at a red thinking of all the good drops. But not EVE, it encourages pirates so much that being a good guy is not playable and many of us dont want to ruin someones day. I used to get a kick from running up to a red ganking a noob and turn the tables on him and give the noob the reds stuff.Of course i would keep the choice bits to continue my career. Come on CCPgive the good guys a break. all you military guys must know what i am saying! do the terrorists have the best gear? NO! you do! and CCP could do the same for us pirate hunters. No pirate in this world has a spy sattelite to track bad guys. no pirate has night vision like the marines or a tank like the abrames. If this were so the world would be a horrible place. "rant off"......

Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.11 13:59:00 - [41] Originally by: mahj Fine, i am not complaining about pirates i just want a viable proffesion to be able to hunt you and still make $$. Ok, I never said you were complaining. I just said carebears complain. And you are a Mini.. so if you are a carebear then.. FAIL! But really, lets analyze what you've stated above: Quote: I enjoy ruining a pirates day by turning the tables... Ruining my day as a would consist of a hell of a lot more than me simply losing only 1 ship... or even 5. Quote: and with game play like it is. This is not realy possible. sure i could use a few bill to outft a bunch of ships and go at it and at most break even. or maybe jam some suicide gankers and watch them burn.. but wheres the isk? Isn't possible? It most certainly is, and it doesn't cost a few billion to do it either. I'm not certain where you are getting that information from, but that statement = FAIL! Quote: In other games the "pirates" always had more risk and droped way better or more than regular players. Players would salivate looking at a red thinking of all the good drops. Ok first off, this is NOT your atypical RPG style game. This is NOT WoW and this is NOT EverQuest. RED BOSSES DON'T EXIST IN EVE!! Get that through your thick skull and realize that ΞvΞ > those other games you obviously have stuck in your head. Quote: all you military guys must know what i am saying! do the terrorists have the best gear? NO! you do! and CCP could do the same for us pirate hunters. No pirate in this world has a spy sattelite to track bad guys. no pirate has night vision like the marines or a tank like the abrames. If this were so the world would be a horrible place. This whole statement screams of ╔═╦═╦╦═╗ ║═╣═║║╔╝ ║═╣╔╣║╚╗ ╚═╩╝╚╩═╝ ╔═╦══╦╦╗ ║╔╣╔╗║║║ ║╚╣╚╝║║║ ║╔╣╔╗║║╚╗ ╚╝╚╝╚╩╩═╝ -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------
flashfresh BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:25:00 - [42] Thess are my opinions. In EVE, a pirate is just a pod pilot who chooses to play a certain way. Pirates kill innocents, rob 'em and ransom them and generally cause havoc and try to get rich in the process through the endeavours of others. Some pilots become pirates due to boredom, others see it as the only way to play yet others see it as an easy way to kill people and pss them off. There are as many pirates as there are reasons for becoming one. There isn't a defined career path as such; one doesn't role some dice and choose a pirate profession. You become it. Similiarily, this goes for bounty hunting. If you exclusively chase outlaws with a bounty on their heads, then in definition you are a bounty hunter. Once down this route, should it get easier for the intrepid BH? The bounty system in EVE is borked, I am not defending it. There are plenty of pilots out there with huge bounties on them. I don't see that many podding themselves via an alt to collect the monies. Use a locator agent and find these guys and have a go? Track them down, patiently. Find them. Trap them. Kill their ship. Pray you can catch their pod. I am not saying the system is perfect.. Some possible improvements: 1. Would be for an outlaw with a bounty on their heads not being able to stay perma-docked in certain systems, based on the size of their bounty. Means they need to keep moving as there are no safe havens except in 0.0 stations or 0.1 space. Just an idea. Don't flame. 2. Anyone can 'take a contract' out on an outlaw with an existing bounty. A bit like agreeing to a mission from an agent but the BH needs to ante up some isk (collateral). Not sure what this contract might confer but a possible location of the bounty and limited kill rights? Ramble off. Flashfresh ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for*.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
PaRaZiTuRL Amarr modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Miller Vance My problem isn't with the 'real' pirates but with the posuers who gate gank in .4 systems Your cup of fail.It is full.
warpod Amarr People Desintegration Project	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Securion Wolfheart Originally by: Ard Because, as a whole, the 'good guys' are so bad? [) Nah. Read my sig. The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... Does it mean Anti-Pirate never fit guns?
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:38:00 - [45] Originally by: mahj all you military guys must know what i am saying! do the terrorists have the best gear? NO! you do! and CCP could do the same for us pirate hunters. No pirate in this world has a spy sattelite to track bad guys. no pirate has night vision like the marines or a tank like the abrames. If this were so the world would be a horrible place. One man's marine is another man's terrorist. ================================================== Hi Mods. Can you please write something in my sig? I wanna be cool too.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:12:00 - [46] Originally by: mahj Edited by: mahj on 09/03/2008 13:32:51 Edited by: mahj on 09/03/2008 13:31:46 There is no benefit to hunting pirates in this game. Why? The bounty system is borked, NPCs dont seem to care if a player is -10 or not, you can still have a +10 rating to a npc faction,and be -10 pirate just not be in there space? When you buy the game it says you can be a bounty hunter, but due to game mechanics its unworkable and unprofitable.If CCP needs some ideas to get this game play working. I got some.give a bonus to +standings like access to a great ship, make good players be able to be officers in concord or factions. A special skill to call concord backup once a day or somthing. not uber of course.there must be many more incentives i havent thought of to make the game more balanced between yar and defenders of the empire. seems like the game is all about being bad the last few years, time for a change. Good guys don't get hatemail. :(
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Setana Manoro Good guys don't get hatemail. :( Pirates can send hatemail too, if you get them good enough.
skandalf Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.12 02:02:00 - [48] being a piwate aint all that, the so called good guys have everthing in their favour in regards to them trying to pop the piwates as a few peeps have already pointed out...no sentry fire, no sec or standing hit. sure we can use our alts for doing the shopping, scouting etc etc and why not we pay the cash for a separate account its called using your noodle and thinking about what you are doing ingame unlike most of the peeps that underestimate the dangers in lowsec especailly and get popped then moan cos they got popped. use your noodle when hunting piwates use differant ships, scouts, find their safe spots, learn their habits sounds like the so called good guys just want to be able to pop piwates with ease and moan and whinge cos they prolly end up getting humilatated by the so called prey. piwates work hard for their isk and loot drops from their victims as there is hardly a easy kill due to the noobs coming and trying to blob you which is a waste of time cos a smart piwate will have scouts and will see you lot coming before you even think of locking them down.
cal nereus	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:27:00 - [49] Edited by: cal nereus on 13/03/2008 06:30:34 The entire Eve universe is color-coded, and further summarized into three basic colors: red, blue, and grey (to be made either red or blue in the near future). You shoot the reds, say hi to the blues, and wait for the greys to turn either red or blue (or shoot 'em anyways). --- Join BH-DL Skills
techzer0	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:32:00 - [50] Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 13/03/2008 06:30:34 The entire Eve universe is color-coded, and further summarized into three basic colors: red, blue, and grey (to be made either red or blue in the near future). You shoot the reds, say hi to the blues, and wait for the greys to turn either red or blue (or shoot 'em anyways). Don't forget shooting Greens, they're the most fun and whine a lot ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster

Kbg2008	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:43:00 - [51] Pirate hunting offers more of a challenge i think.
Rutefly	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:20:00 - [52] You dont bring a constructive threat to Crime & Punishment. Pirates are about here. Lol.
Syniztur	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:33:00 - [53] Originally by: flashfresh Thess are my opinions. In EVE, a pirate is just a pod pilot who chooses to play a certain way. Pirates kill innocents, rob 'em and ransom them and generally cause havoc and try to get rich in the process through the endeavours of others. Some pilots become pirates due to boredom, others see it as the only way to play yet others see it as an easy way to kill people and pss them off. There are as many pirates as there are reasons for becoming one. There isn't a defined career path as such; one doesn't role some dice and choose a pirate profession. You become it. Similiarily, this goes for bounty hunting. If you exclusively chase outlaws with a bounty on their heads, then in definition you are a bounty hunter. Once down this route, should it get easier for the intrepid BH? The bounty system in EVE is borked, I am not defending it. There are plenty of pilots out there with huge bounties on them. I don't see that many podding themselves via an alt to collect the monies. Use a locator agent and find these guys and have a go? Track them down, patiently. Find them. Trap them. Kill their ship. Pray you can catch their pod. I am not saying the system is perfect.. Some possible improvements: 1. Would be for an outlaw with a bounty on their heads not being able to stay perma-docked in certain systems, based on the size of their bounty. Means they need to keep moving as there are no safe havens except in 0.0 stations or 0.1 space. Just an idea. Don't flame. 2. Anyone can 'take a contract' out on an outlaw with an existing bounty. A bit like agreeing to a mission from an agent but the BH needs to ante up some isk (collateral). Not sure what this contract might confer but a possible location of the bounty and limited kill rights? Ramble off. Flashfresh This. o/ Flash! -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you*! \| --------------------------------------------------
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:47:00 - [54] why not start a merc corp instead, but only accept contracts against pirates. your wallet wins and you win. everyone is happy and we have happy time!
Sean Dillon	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:35:00 - [55] Good guys are at the buttom of the food chain in eve, one tree above carebears.
Rutefly Freedom-Technologies imPure.	Posted - 2008.03.14 09:18:00 - [56] Never Understood why pirates hate carebears so much. Theyre your bread & butter. Care for them. Hug a carebear today damnit What have YOU done for a carebear today, is what you should ask yourself if youre a pirate. And ganking isnt really "for the carebear and doesnt count. Its like your wife. Dont be selfish, and she will deliver.
deathbyfire the united Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Rutefly Never Understood why pirates hate carebears so much. Theyre your bread & butter. Care for them. Hug a carebear today damnit What have YOU done for a carebear today, is what you should ask yourself if youre a pirate. And ganking isnt really "for the carebear and doesnt count. Its like your wife. Dont be selfish, and she will deliver. i killed some people, blew up their ships, podded them, etc. etc. causing them to need need new ships and modules. in turn giving carebears isk and a reason to build more stuff. pirates really don't mind carebears to much it is when they talk **** and whine. without pirates no one would need to buy replacement ships and modules. carebears have a place in eve.... to build me ships and to keep sending me targets :D
MrHalls State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:59:00 - [58] It pains me to see how so called "pirates" bash carebears. You guys were mining in jita yourself 6 month ago. Tell me you never ran any missions and never mined? You were born in to EVE as a pirate on ur gank raven.? Carebears/mission runners/miners should organize them selfs in to bounty hunting corps and work together just like gankers/pirates do. Stop crying and just organize! Some of those bounties really look juicy! :)
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:02:00 - [59] Originally by: AstroPhobic Revelation! Make bounties hidden. Don't let anyone know they're there, including the bountied guy. That way, bounty hunters will get random and surprising awards, and pirates would have to pod themselves daily to see if they got a bounty. Which is more than likely worth less than their clone. I can has eve? This sounds pretty cool, the problem is that bounties typically need to released to the public, otherwise someones want/need to see someone dead may never come to fruitin. I guess what they could possibly do is make bounties more like contract kills, between the contractor and the hunter. Someone creates a contract and a hunter can accpet said contract. Make a system where isk can be paid out pre as in a down payment for operating costs and the rest upon completion. - Multiple contracts may be giving out. But may only be giving out to individuals not entire corps. Do not want a way to war deck an individual pilot. - Making the system so corpes can be required for completion of contract (saw this one somewhere else). - Make it so once a person has a bounty on them that his been accepted then that hunter has kill rights 1.0-0.0 (this may need some tweaking, like only one person, that has accepted the contract, has rights to kill pirate. Even if said Pirate defends themselves the hunters corp will not gain aaggro rights therefore will have to deal with sentry guns if they jump in) I will try to add to this later, but these are some preliminary thoughts. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ ALL !'s SIGN HERE and the reason for this is as follows The Portrait Server Issue ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider "Never sit with your back towards the door"
Adelorae24 Black Podding	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:18:00 - [60] This is a really simple issue to fix. Just make it where bounties can only be collected by registered bounty hunters with a positive sec status. If sec status goes below 0 they can no longer collect bounties from kills. If they fail to pay their registration fee with concord they can no longer collect bounties. This would prevent pirates (and even high-sec troublemakers like myself) from signing up as bounty hunters in order to get each other's bounties. Having said that I still don't think it would make bounty hunting a viable profession. There's no way some do good, wanna be law dog can stand a chance against pirates on their own turf. The previous poster was correct in that the advantage in Eve always goes to the player attempting to evade combat. Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."



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