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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.08 17:48:00 -
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It has been discussed before. But it is still a hot topic.
From my point of view. I think that 95% of all the scammers, greifers, corp robbers and all the rest that just aim to ruin people gameplay, are alts.
What was CCP's idea by introducing several characters for us?
Diverse gameplay probably.
"Alts" are not used in this way though. I know people who have research alts or maybe hauler alts. I don't see how the majority of people would be hurt by it. To be honest. If people couldn't hide behind alts. The gameplay in EVE wouldn't be so full of all the bad playing. Its the bad behaviour of people that call for mesures that limits our gameplay. 
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2004.04.08 18:02:00 -
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but then "honest" players like myself... with alts in fine upstanding corporations, would lose out.
Well actually I wouldnt since i use a different account for my "legit" business... but I know some dont though.
Its a tricky one...
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Posted - 2004.04.08 18:22:00 -
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Alts do cause a lot of the problems in EVE, mainly because in an alt you are unaccountable for anything you do. I think this might be a good idea, but only some people should be able to see alts, like corp ceo's. Or maybe you could even make it a profession of sorts, investigating or something along those lines. Then people could hire 'investigators' to find alts of a person. Maybe a good level 4 agent could provide a service like this?
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Arcturius II
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Posted - 2004.04.08 18:43:00 -
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No.
Next question.
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2004.04.08 18:45:00 -
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Should you be able to see a players all "alts"?
No.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 08/04/2004 19:11:16
A "No" from a mercenary frigate guy?
That was a surprise 
(Don't get me wrong, I think merc frigs are pretty clean in their business. I had not you in mind.)
Be constructive or don't post at all
My point was that almost all people who enjoy merciless killing and to simply try to destroy other players gaming experience hide behind alts.
I think that you should be prepared to stand up for your actions. And if you can not, then don't do them. That has always been my philosophy. Doesn't matter if it is in a game or in real life.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:10:00 -
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What if you use all or 2 of your chars in game, without them having anything to do with each other.
Which character would be the "alt"?
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Rimase
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:12:00 -
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I reply to Thread title - No!
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:23:00 -
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It has been discussed before. But it is still a hot topic.
From my point of view. I think that 95% of all the scammers, greifers, corp robbers and all the rest that just aim to ruin people gameplay, are alts.
wow dude nothing gets by you! 
seriously tho - you can't, CCP doesn't want you to, and that's the final word on it (see "archwizards are always right..."). As for people you know or want to hire / work with, it's simple, ask 'em for a huge unedited raw screenie of their login/char selection screen.
beyond that, beware. the only mechanism of protection is the assumption that it won't get *too* rampant. Cool, huh?
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Shakor on 08/04/2004 19:32:25
Edited by: Darius Shakor on 08/04/2004 19:31:52
I always wonder why people want to use alts to do bad things and keep their main character clean. Affraid of the consequences of your actions? If I was going to shoot people, I would do so with my main character so all could see. To do anything else would be an act of cowardes in my opinion. People that say no to this must have something to hide. Convince yourselves all you want that because you use a different character, it's not what you did, but the truth is that you are the one pushing the keys at the end of the day.
Alts do serve a good purpose in eve when main characters are stuck for one reason or another. That way you can keep playing while your petition is sorted out. That is what alts are for, not podding noobs anonymously or stealing ore because you don't want your victims to know who you really are. To do that makes it pointless to have a standings system and concord bounties.
*edit* Oh yeah, I think we should be alowed to do so, but at a cost. The investigation part sounds good. New agent services maybe?
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Angry Dan
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:31:00 -
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Yes. Alts should be traceable. They don't necessarily have to be visable.
Right now, it's far to easy to set up a corp of alt accounts, train them to use Kestrels, and effectivly destroy a corps business. In effect, a corp can make war by proxy and theres no comeback on them. 2 kestrels in Yulai can tie up valuable assets suppressing them, and if they get loose, can obliterate a hauler.
Basically, I'd like to see Agents that can trace peples aliases - IE there alt chars. After all, it's easy enough to copy yourself for a clone, so why not clone yourself into another body? I personally reckon thats how CCP should be treating them.
How would it work? Well, assuming you got a corpse of said chracter, you give it to a appropriately skilled agent, and after a few hours, he sends you a mail saying 'This guy has aliases X & Y, in corp's A & B'. Of course, it should also be possible to bribe your way to having some anonyminity............
And be able to pay your past that.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 08/04/2004 19:37:00
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wow dude nothing gets by you!
That was ment as an argument. Not intrudicing an amazing discovery.
Your post in general was pretty arrogant and haughty in the tone. I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by posting rubbish.
I don't care what CCP's views are. I already know that. I wanted to hear arguments for and against. The eve-forum crowd is useless for the most part. And I guess I should have known better
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:39:00 -
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Play nice now or else.. 
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:41:00 -
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Public viewing of alts? No. Many people roleplay their chars differently, and many just use alternate accounts for their alts anyways.
A high level, expensive agent service to view a month's worth of transaction logs for a player in the given region? Sure. You can find out who is doing business with who, for a cost; in the case of alts, if you perhaps transfer goods or ISK between characters. Good for uncovering shady business practices too, and will add some RP maybe to wanting to make secret negotiations in deep space regions.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.08 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 08/04/2004 19:37:00
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wow dude nothing gets by you!
That was ment as an argument. Not intrudicing an amazing discovery.
Your post in general was pretty arrogant and haughty in the tone. I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by posting rubbish.
I don't care what CCP's views are. I already know that. I wanted to hear arguments for and against. The eve-forum crowd is useless for the most part. And I guess I should have known better
Lighten up and take it as the joke is was meant. I was informing you of past cases where this has come up before and informing you what you're up against. Check previous CSMs where this gets pretty heated, statements from Devs and such where they state in no uncertain terms that this will never happen and they're dead-set against it, largely worried about (they cite) "privacy concerns," etc. If you don't care about any of that, fine, next time you post the Nth re-hashing of an old issue, i'll be sure to ignore you as you deserve :P
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:05:00 -
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Lighten up and take it as the joke is was meant. I was informing you of past cases where this has come up before and informing you what you're up against. Check previous CSMs where this gets pretty heated, statements from Devs and such where they state in no uncertain terms that this will never happen and they're dead-set against it, largely worried about (they cite) "privacy concerns," etc. If you don't care about any of that, fine, next time you post the Nth re-hashing of an old issue, i'll be sure to ignore you as you deserve :P
Lighten up?
To ask for constructive replies and not only posts from forum-clowns isn't too much I think.
As I stated right in the beginning. It is still a major concern to the gaming experience with the ease you can wreck anyones gameplay without having to face the consequence of that.
I personally think that CCP is hipycrites. If they truly want us to be able to play severals chars. I think we should be allowed to train them too. If we could, there would be more solid to claims you play them separately.
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Isaac Hunt
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:30:00 -
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Many people have legitimate uses for their alternative characters and waging war on a corp you dont like with them is one of many, you have to give up training one character to get them to be usefull, so what if the 'main' character and by this I presume you mean the actual person behind the character gets away scot free from all and any persecution, they are intended to be used as independant 'people' to do with as you wish.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:32:00 -
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Lighten up and take it as the joke is was meant. I was informing you of past cases where this has come up before and informing you what you're up against. Check previous CSMs where this gets pretty heated, statements from Devs and such where they state in no uncertain terms that this will never happen and they're dead-set against it, largely worried about (they cite) "privacy concerns," etc. If you don't care about any of that, fine, next time you post the Nth re-hashing of an old issue, i'll be sure to ignore you as you deserve :P
Lighten up?
To ask for constructive replies and not only posts from forum-clowns isn't too much I think.
As I stated right in the beginning. It is still a major concern to the gaming experience with the ease you can wreck anyones gameplay without having to face the consequence of that.
I personally think that CCP is hipycrites. If they truly want us to be able to play severals chars. I think we should be allowed to train them too. If we could, there would be more solid to claims you play them separately.
Constuctive comments? to what end? This will never ever happen, get over it, live with it, except it, embrase it. You will never ever have a ingame option to see someones alts. Do you wanna see the characters on my other acounts as well?
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:46:00 -
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Actually ever since beta the devs have said CEO's would be able to see who a corp member's alts are, but like so many things it hasn't been implemented yet.
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Kindathey
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Posted - 2004.04.08 20:55:00 -
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[quoteI personally think that CCP is hipycrites. If they truly want us to be able to play severals chars. I think we should be allowed to train them too. If we could, there would be more solid to claims you play them separately.
The reason you can train only 1 character at a time is exactly the same as in any other mmorpg. In other rpg's you can play only 1 character at a time, hack&slashing through hordes of monsters, but you DO have more character space on the same account. This roughly translates as being able to train only 1 character at a time in EVE.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.04.08 21:05:00 -
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[quoteI personally think that CCP is hipycrites. If they truly want us to be able to play severals chars. I think we should be allowed to train them too. If we could, there would be more solid to claims you play them separately.
The reason you can train only 1 character at a time is exactly the same as in any other mmorpg. In other rpg's you can play only 1 character at a time, hack&slashing through hordes of monsters, but you DO have more character space on the same account. This roughly translates as being able to train only 1 character at a time in EVE.
Yeah but in other games there's a limit to how much experience/skillpoints or whatever you can get so after a couple of months you got multiple well trained characters, in EVE this will never happen think that's where the frustration with only training one char is coming from.
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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2004.04.09 00:16:00 -
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My guess is that the nay-sayers are the ones using the alts to cause problems. Having an alt for hauling, research, etc, is one thing, but using those alts to steal from other corps is quite another.
I know CCP likes the idea of allowing corporate betrayal as one of the many problems to look out for in the game, but realistically, a CEO should be able to find out what alts are on a players account. But hey, the people abusing alts will flame away saying we shouldn't be able to find out who is a mole and who is going to steal what, and honest players are going to want the info.
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Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.09 00:38:00 -
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IT'S BIG NO THERE, IT'S JUST CAREBEAR WHINING, WHY DON'T YOU LEARN THE GAME MECHANICS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2004.04.09 01:04:00 -
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I had a corp that was hit hard by alts taking advantage of my trust and good nature. Corp theft sucks...but CCP seems to let it be part of the game...however the discussion regarding alts is a valid one.
It is far too easy for a thief to create an alt...rob a corp...and nine 9 hours later, have the slate wiped clean. People who create alts for the sole purpose of ripping off decent folk, are in my opinion, spineless jellyfish.
CCP keeps amazingly detailed logs. I know this to be fact. Provided you are not lying to them about what has happened, it is almost too easy for them to track what you had and where...who took it...who they gave it too...and so on.
If a corp theft is committed and the CEO requests someone at CCP to look at the logs...it would be fairly straight forward to confirm a theft had actually been committed. I'm not about to call for a ban or anything, but in this scenario I think it would be justified and more than fair, for CCP to inform the CEO of who the main is.
I'm not even suggesting the goods be returned...it was a robbery after all...but give us players a chance to know who the real thief is. That way some long due justice could be metted out on our own terms.
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Ka Dargo
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Posted - 2004.04.09 04:23:00 -
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Just on the last post, I would love their to be a service for tracing stolen goods/tracing goods removed from hangers.
There is a journal for cash so why not have a in/out for other corp assets. Give a ceo the abilty to keep logs on what goes in & out of hangers & what their members take in & out. This would be useful for something like stock control or investigating who is slowly bleeding the corp dry or good items.
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nails
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Posted - 2004.04.09 05:01:00 -
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I see no reason why not. Several corporations require a screen cap of your character screen before you can join. Besides I know of some people (not saying any names) that have gone into noob corps and killed all their members.. Very well known players.. the only ones that wouldn't know who they were would be noobs. Either way doesn't bother me, I tell most people all the alts on my account when they ask cause it's really not that big of a deal.
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2004.04.09 05:35:00 -
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Alts should not be visible whatsoever.
What about people who use alts to lead a totally different path down the eve universe? Take for example a miner who wants to try some pvp and pirating, but doesn't want to risk his reputation/corp/what have you by going to the dark side with his main character. He trains up an alt, and does fairly well at it, killing maybe an alliance hauler.
If alts were visible, all the alliance would have to do for retribution would be to either put this character plus all alts on KOS, or declare war on his main character's corporation. Pretty retarded, wouldn't you think? It would leave players with less choices, if they knew that their actions could be traced back to a completely independent alt char.
Seems absolutely retarded to me.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.04.09 07:36:00 -
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Griefplay works both ways. If you are well known as a jerk on your main, people would use this to target your "legit" alts, and vice versa.
I think the main reason people would disagree though is because they are doing things with their alts that would cause them to lose tremendous face.
On a side note. Training multiple characters at once SHOULD be possible in eve. The arguement that in other games you can only train one character at a time doesn't seem valid to me. The reason I say this is that in other games you can powerlevel your alts.
It currently takes multiple accounts if you want multiple (useful) alts. Some of us can't afford that seperate accounts so we can have a dedicated miner/production person/PvPer/etc.
That said, I won't cry too much about it, this game actually allows those of us without 10 hours a day to play to still gain skills at a descent rate when compared to others. The only thing you don't gain as fast is isk.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.04.09 10:59:00 -
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It's true alts are not being used in the way they were intended to, but partially removing privacy on the account info is something that CCP CAN'T do.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.09 11:16:00 -
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We have been promised a way to find out what alts a specific char has, it is to be agent related and as far as I remember tied into lev 4 agents.
It was in a CSM way back and its very possible it has been decided it is not to be implemented however I have seen no retraction as of yet.
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