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AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 10:51:00 - [1] The bob alts in this thread made it worth it to read for lulz.Your sitting in one system for the most part hiding your caps.You still can't post with just your main pilot, so make sure you post with your bob main and then follow it up with your alt\|alts to try and make someone believe you.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:17:00 - [2] Originally by: maralt Originally by: AIchemist The bob alts in this thread made it worth it to read for lulz.Your sitting in one system for the most part hiding your caps.You still can't post with just your main pilot, so make sure you post with your bob main and then follow it up with your alt\|alts to try and make someone believe you. Personally and honestly im against anything that removes the need for (in one form or another) skill and tactical superiority either on a individual level, small gang or a coalition level. I support nano and all the other styles of pvp apart from blob spamming and i have never been part of BOB. That pilot never part of bob? amirite? Yes I am. I'm not talking about broken things or things that work fine.To me it is funny to see both sides whine, and then whine about the other side whining.Bob is jsut doing the best at it, goons come out with thread questioning the current game mechanics.So we get 10+ Bob alternate pilot posts in coad whining\|trolling\|smacking about OMGWTFWITHCYNO!one11!!!!! We can talk about the advantages Bob has had since beta, but lets not bother.Whats funny is to see them all nice and respectable while they get steam rolled.Was nice and peopel started to like some bob.Then one ***** in the armor of your enemy and we get the same old Bob posting crap. Just good for a laugh that you haven't changed even if you been knocked down 20 or so pegs.There is long road to go, and if anyone thinks this is close to over.lulz.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Omega Man t1 crap fitted frigates dont bring them down is the issue. Yeah, because it's not like there was 300-400 man gangs attacking Nol for awhile.Not even half that and your right they were all tech one frigates. Try getting even half a clue and not being yet again a alt pilot so slanted to Bob it IS funny.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:43:00 - [4] Originally by: jakamo reminds me of my kids crying "its not fair!" Yes, "It's not fair that goons post a relevent thread about the need of cyno jammer changes"crying, I agree.Alot like kids crying, except with alt pilot poasts on coad.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:00:00 - [5] Originally by: smitor Originally by: Malachon Draco What if the 200 want and can bring more expensive ships, but can't because the cynojammer won't let em? They can do that, systems arent always cyno jammed and there is maybe more to it then just attacking 1 system at a time. 200 or 300 battleships with logistics can quickly kill a cyno jammer if you do it in an odd timezone. The russians have shown that more then once. However the key is that Goons who are advocating changes loudly want to get changed stuff so it doesnt force them to get out of their way. With the right tactics which go beyond "go to one system and press as many bs into the gate until it crashes" you are able to take systems of even a well entrenched enemy. To blame lag however as an argument to either nerf titans or cynojammers however is silly. The titans have the same lag as anyone else has, so does a defending fleet which might simply get toasted aswell. So please lets not construct scenarios which are completely made up and false showing the coalition as the poor victims of imbalanced gamedesign. As in my other post, zergtactics will only bring you that far and goons finally found a speedbump they cant just overwash with nothing in preparation apart from "be there in some ship lulz". Hence sov 3 in a-b?This thread was posted by a Bob alt about cyno jammers.Not what bob think can be done in YOUR current situation .That is how you know these threads are posted by bob alt pilots. This WAS a thread about cyno jammers with people chatting back and forth about their mechanics.Have been some nice posts and arguements for both sides of the fence. Then you look at Bob posts and it is all about them.All about their one cyno jammer that has held a system for them. Not much if any constructive posts.Just posts like " omg frigz can take cyno" "lulz bring more""well if you knew what we did""goons fail amirite" in thread not about them. Not sure at what point we started to expect different from Bob, but I guess we shouldn't ever be surprised.It's just like bob to think it is all about them.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Local Her0 Originally by: Post The goon presense in this thread actually isn't as much as it should be for a goon nerf threadnaught. Obviously they don't want the nerf that bad or most of them don't think it should be nerfed as it will probably just mean BoB will steamroll them even faster without alot of their allies now. Tbh BOB is steamrolling Goons since 5 months now straight, theres nothing left for Goons to do but threadnaught fo a game-nerf because thats realy all they can do at this point, but you figured that out your self yo boya Steam rolling them right into 4-5 regions?Steam rolling 100's of towers they lost? Can I have just one hit of what your smoking?just one? Ok, maybe like a baby hit.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:14:00 - [7] Originally by: smitor Originally by: AIchemist Originally by: Local Her0 Originally by: Post The goon presense in this thread actually isn't as much as it should be for a goon nerf threadnaught. Obviously they don't want the nerf that bad or most of them don't think it should be nerfed as it will probably just mean BoB will steamroll them even faster without alot of their allies now. Tbh BOB is steamrolling Goons since 5 months now straight, theres nothing left for Goons to do but threadnaught fo a game-nerf because thats realy all they can do at this point, but you figured that out your self yo boya Steam rolling them right into 4-5 regions?Steam rolling 100's of towers they lost? Can I have just one hit of what your smoking?just one? Ok, maybe like a baby hit. lol you got trolled by your own side there. I guess he forgot the /irony tags. I have no "side" in this war.I'm negative to my office work so I post.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Tobruk I don't think cyno jammers are broken i think that the system limit is the issue. The cyno jammer could be taken with BS vs Titan and 40 medium guns and carriers and support fleet IF the system had no limit. Then I would have to question the shear lag.Sadly we used to complain about the lag we got when it was 500-600 people slugging it out.From my recent experience in game, it's takes about 200 pilots + a MS or carrier or two to lock\|lag nearly everone up. Try adding anything other super caps or seige and well, in my personal expereince not payable.I use a nice PC, so not that problem.I guess maybe I have settings wrong.Recent experinces in eve seems it can't handle even half of what it could in fleet battles a year or so ago.It seems to almost get worse. We can however, rest in peace knowing some lvl 4 mission runner is flying in a pimped out looking megathron.These new ship skins rule the sckool!
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: smitor Edited by: smitor on 11/03/2008 12:31:07 someone else suggested a subcapital ship. Thats something alongside the changes to jammers and jumpbridges i proposed i would love to see. Some "subcapital" ship like the freighter which requires skills between bs and dread, cant use a jumpdrive, can siege but has only 1 gun / launcher and costs prolly half of what a dread costs. They would be the first wave of an attack. Due to their higher hp immune to alpha strike DD's, still be touchable by pos guns (below dread active tank), not remoterepairable due to siegemode (so a pricetag is applied to take down a manned tower) and weak ecm resists so a fleet must actually support them in combination with the loved agility of a whale every capship in eve features. This would imo improve the situation by giving attackers the ability to field a medicore and more exspensive solution until they manage to take the jammer down while still giving the defender an upperhand if he is organized and able to repell the attackers combined forces. That ship would have barely the DPS of 2 BS, not really a solution. Blobbing is more viable than a ship with all the limitations you suggest. Indeed, the builds times, isk, skilling and thats just a small part of why this would be wrong to do. Then there is the small issues of these type of ships having half hit points , but seging and then having the dps of wet paper towel. What I do respect is the post from bob acknowledging the problem.There is one,this is only one post from bob with level headed thinking.There is problem and in some way needs to be fixed. Even with level headed posts with reasonable thoughts from bob on this subject.I think that implamenting a totally new ship class and all the stuff that comes with them is not realistic.Compared to tweeking ships\|mods that are already in game and coded. I don't know what needs to be done, but when both sides are serious about the problem they recognize it.I hate nerfs in eve.I rather be flying around in my dual MWD ruptures tbh.So what NEEDS to be done is where I lack content.
AIchemist Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:01:00 - [10] Originally by: paracidic You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you. You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam. CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again. KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw. Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer. Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems. But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers. Rofl the best bob poaster found.Try bringing your hate and emo steam down a few notchs.Everything you have said is covered and countered.Even by non-coalition pilots posting in these threads.Try reading the full thread before you post unconstructive insults. What is even more funny is you got trolled by your own.The op being a bob alt pilot.you should know by now looking at all the threads bob alts have made since someone on eve tv mentioned cyno jammers.

AIchemist	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:28:00 - [11] Edited by: AIchemist on 13/03/2008 12:28:28 Well it's clear there is an issue, maybe not what both sides think is wrong, but something needs to be fixed.

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