Originally by: Gnulpie

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Nothing is the issue with cynojammers.

Only because goons are too stupid to take it down with t1 frigs and shuttles and because they start a huge whine (again) it doesn't change things.

History shows that there are many cyno jammers killed already successfully. Or how do you think BoB + allies lost all their space? By not setting up cyno jammers?

Also Tri killed various cyno jammers, RA did it. AAA killed them, Razor killed them also.

There is nothing wrong with the jammers. There is something wrong with the attackers. Throwing zillions of useless t1 crap at the cyno jammer and then whining about lag is really beyond being stupid

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Nothing is the issue with cynojammers.

Only because goons are too stupid to take it down with t1 frigs and shuttles and because they start a huge whine (again) it doesn't change things.

History shows that there are many cyno jammers killed already successfully. Or how do you think BoB + allies lost all their space? By not setting up cyno jammers?

Also Tri killed various cyno jammers, RA did it. AAA killed them, Razor killed them also.

There is nothing wrong with the jammers. There is something wrong with the attackers. Throwing zillions of useless t1 crap at the cyno jammer and then whining about lag is really beyond being stupid

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None of those people did so against 4 titans defending the jammer POS... which is where the actual issue is. It's simply impossible to kill a cynojammer that's defended by a cap fleet and a handful of titans.

Xttz had a great idea. Cynojammers should disable all capital modules, so no triage, siege, DD, Portal, fighters, capital reps. That might fix things.

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too excessive imo, however cyno jammer becoming disabled, for say 30 minutes, when a DD is activated on the same grid would balance things out. removes the iwin button.

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Originally by: TWD

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Good point, I suggest you threadnaught about it to help you on the way.

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: KIATolon

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I thought we didn't have the guts to admit we failed? Pick a story and stick to it ;)

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Did i really say that are you sure?.

Anyway on the subject of picking a story......this?

Originally by: KIATolon

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Xttz had a great idea. Cynojammers should disable all capital modules, so no triage, siege, DD, Portal, fighters, capital reps. That might fix things.

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or this..?

Originally by: KIATolon

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Personally I think if there's going to be a nerf, I'd rather take bob's space from them first. It's sweeter that way.

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Originally by: maralt

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So we can be expecting you to be dining in NOL sometime before the cynojammer nerf can we?. A simple yes or no will do im not asking for a specific date

Im sure you will not have a problem answering the question as fear of fail along with K/D scores, respect, mad props are not things you care about in eve at all, i remember all the posts you guys have made telling us.

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Originally by: semp

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And yet with over 5000 pilots in your alliance you STILL cant finish the job. Is the game broken (all you hear from the goonies these days)? Or can you not organise a trip to a local alcohol making establishment ??

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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If there is anything wrong with cynojammers, its the simplicity of getting higher sovereignty levels. Right now you drop POS and wait x days. No extras on top of the usual deployment work that you will do anyways. That makes cynojammers common for every station system, and not just constellation sovereignty. They're common even for random systems that have no right being roadblocks.

Aside from that, cynojammers work as you'd expect. Why do you people think they should be a five minute speedbump in all circumstances? If they become impotent when supported by everything else in the game, including a large defense fleet, how useful are they going to be to an alliance that doesn't have the same isk or organization? Which is still, I'm guessing, most of EVE.

You got stonewalled hard, but you wouldn't have lost all those towers if you didn't gamble. Taking down even defenseless towers is a pain in the ass, and a lot of work. You assumed the enemy was low on willpower and wouldn't do this work.

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Originally by: Nightsabre

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Solution,

DD's damage the jammer too, and are non resisted, so hit for the max potential damage of the DD.

Risk vs Reward fixed.

To save your jammer, you have to hurt it

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Originally by: maralt

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And yet GOONS claim that blob spamming cannot defeat a cynojammed system with titan/cap support so maybe you should try something else in game instead of screaming for a nerf or is skill less blob spamming all you capable off?.

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Originally by: maralt

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You had most of 0.0 on you side, you took cyno jammed system after cyno jammed system off BOB who had the same amount of titans they do now, You had the cyno jammer down in NOL at one time and failed to capitalize on the situation because of either BOB's good organizing or your bad organizing il let you choose that one.

And now you are alone and most of your allies have gone home you still need to ask others how to land the final blows?.

Heres an idea buddy why don't you just forget about fighting and killing BOB all together and go find somebody else to play with because they are obviously out of your league.

Either that or avail yourself of these services:

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=716027

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Originally by: semp

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5000 goonies and still no clue.

Not EVERY situation required the sledgehammer approach.

Just 1 Well placed spy could disable the Cyno-Jam. But i guess that would require hard work, planning and strategy....not the goonies strong points thats for sure. Alot easier to use NERF SPAM !!!!

Pathetic.

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Originally by: Badhbh

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Edited by: Badhbh on 10/03/2008 15:51:24
i liked the idea hammerhead suggested in the interview on the alliance tourney with spreading out the attacking fleet to reduce lag.
This can be used for the cyno jammer imo.

Like to make the jammer work you need to have 4 cyno jammer generators in the surrounded systems the attacking fleet need to take this jammers down the main cyno jammer do go offline for 1h once all 4 generators are destoryed.

After 1h the cyno jammer has some kind of emergency power generator which turns him on again for 24h after this the jammer is gone when the defending fleet is not able to put 1 of the gernators up again.

Not sure about the times and stuff just an idea

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Originally by: semp

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Not unless you have managed to claim Curse from the Angels while i was asleep.....It might be easier that trying to take down BOB's Cyno jam's ??

Or you could just keep crying on COAD for a NERF because the game is too hard ?

Stick with what you know I guess....snoogans !!!

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Originally by: Zorland

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You Goons fail at this game. Don't you see that yet? If the situation was different, and BOB was attacking your home systems, you'd be whining to CCP to boost cyno jammers, jump bridges and other defensive POS structures.

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Originally by: Rudi Storm

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So to sum it up:

There is a guy with a loaded shotgun in a room with just one door and we must take him out... let us just sit here and write a complaint to the architect who designed the room and make him change the room layout and add another 10 doors...

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Originally by: Zorland

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Zorland

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You Goons fail at this game. Don't you see that yet? If the situation was different, and BOB was attacking your home systems, you'd be whining to CCP to boost cyno jammers, jump bridges and other defensive POS structures.

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They did, we repelled them, without a jammer.

Whoopsy.

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No you didn't, you whined for the titan nerf, same thing you are trying again.

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Originally by: Zorland

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I don't think you get it, it is you, you are crying in this thread

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Originally by: Zorland

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Zorland

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I don't think you get it, it is you, you are crying in this thread

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Where is xttz crying in this thread?

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"You" as in "Goons"

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Originally by: maralt

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GOONS are still claiming that last weeks probe into q6 by BOB was a massive and overwhelming assault by the entire GBC to push back the coalition and conquer known space and that they defended valiantly and saved several puppies and 4 fluffy kittens along the way.

Its the only thing they have actually done this year that did not end in a total spanking so be gentle with them they are a bit touchy about it at this rather delicate time.

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Originally by: paracidic

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You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.

You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.

CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.

KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.

Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.


Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.

But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Quick, someone go find and archive the quote of KIAtolon saying how goons internet spaceship empire is virtually invulnerable, for future reference.

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Originally by: maralt

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Id actually like the cynojammer issue to be tested in real time and a real war by an alliance with some real tactical skill cos lets face it GOONS failing at something is hardly an indication of a broken game or mechanic.

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: maralt

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Id actually like the cynojammer issue to be tested in real time and a real war by an alliance with some real tactical skill cos lets face it GOONS failing at something is hardly an indication of a broken game or mechanic.

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Why not ask bob to invade C3N or QY6?

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I already did.

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Originally by: maralt

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Your the one who claims to have such great intel on BOB's inner working that you know about leadership emo rages and mayor offensives that you can score mayor victories against so you should already know their plans.

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Originally by: maralt

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I DID answer it i just DID NOT answer it the way you wanted although when i DID speak to a few dudes from BOB i know they were quite tight lipped about any offensives they are planning, although we both knew before hand id not actually tell you anyway. Damn look at all those emocons you really are hard up for anything you can spin as any sort of win aint ya?.

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Originally by: maralt

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The last week of posting kinda makes you look desperate for summat to claim a win for bud the emocons are just a symptom and sign of the tone of desperation in your recent posting, its been like this since the coalition stopped holding your hands and you failed to take NOL.

Quoting"there are no goons" and other oldies but goldies are and should be beneath you by now tbqh.

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Originally by: maralt

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Yea yea you did'nt want that respect, ships, k/d ratio, blah blah (insert what goons suck at) blah blah.....................

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