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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4964	Posted - 2012.02.20 21:52:00 - [1] - Quote There's a much more simple reason: because the amount of tooth-gnashing it would generate is enough to keep dentists around the world employed for another generation or two. Think of the dentists, people! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4979	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:30:00 - [2] - Quote Wow. At this point, I really feel like my GÇ£think of the dentistsGÇ¥ remark was spot on GÇö I just didn't grep that it was Psychonauts-style dentists I was talking aboutGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4979	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:41:00 - [3] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: My position is the same. I.e. unproven. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4979	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:53:00 - [4] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion. GÇªwhich doesn't excuse it from being unproven, especially when it's being brandished as fact. Are you more comfortable with GÇ£seemingly made from whole clothGÇ¥? Quote: And he is going to continue metagaming the CSM. Even assuming that's true, what's the problem? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4979	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:01:00 - [5] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests? You are assuming that, in furthering his/their own interests, he's not representing the player base. Why is that? So yes, what's the problem, should it even be true to begin with, especially since you admit that his interest is actually good for the game as a wholeGÇª? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4980	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:13:00 - [6] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: But The Mittani doesnt represent the EVE Online playerbase now does he? He represents Goons. Period. He says so himself. SoGÇª what's the problem? Quote: The CSM should be metagame free zone. I dont belive it is. EhGÇª right. I think you're being sliiiightly unrealistic here. The CSM has long since outgrown its original watchdog intent, and has instead become the GÇ£people's voiceGÇ¥. This means it is metagaming institutionalised (and not necessarily in the asylum sense). It's entire purpose is for the gamers to affect the game. Making it a metagame-free zone would make it pointless. Your entire problem seems to be that you think a single person holds sway over the entire assembly and has unilateral control over the message to CCP and the direction they choose. That's quite silly. They're a body and (at best) advisory. Quote: Instead we have in-game elections of in-game candidates representing in an OUT OF GAME body that is supposed to represent the playerbase as a whole. And which is supposed to be neutral. So what do you have to offer to show that they don't and aren't? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4982	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:33:00 - [7] - Quote lilol' me wrote: Guys dont worry about what Tippia says.. Its a well known fact he is a goon fanboi, and probably getting spit roasted by both mittani and vile rat at this moment. It's about as much a GÇ£well-known factGÇ¥ as the provably false base Reilly Duvolle's tinfoil-hattery rests onGÇª Also, nice ad hominem. I take it you are also unable to demonstrate any kind of actual problem, seeing as how you have to go straight for the fallacies? Reilly Duvolle wrote: at the Goons and their alts and/or supportes would crawl out of the woodwork to defend the great Mittani frankly didnt come as a big surprise. So my appearance was a great surprise then? That's refreshingGÇª Quote: The Mittani wil not do ANYTHING that doesnt benefit theGoons ingame, in his dealings with CCP. He represents and works for Goons, and Goons only, unlike some of the other candidates. SoGÇª what's the problem? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4982	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:47:00 - [8] - Quote lilol' me wrote: This still remains a fact not fallacy. What makes it a fallacy is that you're trying to deflect a question about the effects of representation by appealing to some irrelevant, unconnected, and blatantly false assertion of association. You can't answer the question, so you try to deflect it by bringing up some supposed attribute of the person (e.g. some assumed connection to the goons) GÇö classic ad hominem fallacy, which only ever manages to give the impression that the person being attacked has brought up a particularly salient issueGÇª What makes it a not-actually-a-fact-at-all is thatGÇª well, it's not actually a fact at all GÇö it's something you just made up and can't prove. Quote: I mean for god sake you have even admitted your love for goons over and over again on the forums. Excellent. Prove it. Quote: Every post against them, up pops Tippia The Troll running to their defense. No. Every post against them using unsound reasoning and GÇ£factsGÇ¥ pulled from some poster's nether region, up pops me asking what those claims are based on and how on earth the argument actually holds together. It has very little to do with the Goons and quite a lot to do with my disliking apparent lack of proper argumentation. GÇªwhy it is that this kind of argumentation pops up so often in relation to the Goons is an interesting, but slightly different question. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4982	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:55:00 - [9] - Quote lilol' me wrote: You know what fine, I will, I am going to be happy linking every post. Excellent. Get cracking. Be particularly detailed in how it's me being a fanboi, rather than me laughing at a horrible attempt at arguing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4982	Posted - 2012.02.21 11:04:00 - [10] - Quote Grumpy Owly wrote: By virtue of representing interests you can see how emphasis of time in the CSM minutes is devoted to interests. Null sec even has its own chapter. GÇªbecause it has its own unique set of rules and gameplay issues, most of which are in need of review. If anything, this GÇ£own chapterGÇ¥ rather shows that the issue is given quite little focus compared to some other areas GÇö under one heading, they've mashed together a whole slew of mechanics and issues that each could have their own heading, much like how Incursions and NPE have their own sections. Quote: The only other area of nterest to note in the last minutes where WH space and that was to make it easier to take capitals into them to destory industrial platforms. Read the minutes in detail, you'll see the bias. What I see are issues that are spread all over space, rather than being easily contained within a heading that denotes a specific geographic area. As for making it easier to take capitals in there, you'll also note that the CSM also objected to the idea of making it easier. So again, the bias rather seems to be in people think that GÇ£the CSMGÇ¥ is some monolithic entity that holds one und precisely von opinion that is always going in one direction with one agenda. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.

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