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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:03:00 -
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Well I took the advice posted in one of the threads here. So last night I equip my Thorax for pvp and head out to find a fight. After 32 jumps I locate a group of miners. There were 2 Omens just mining away with a bestower just leaving.
I made a simple demand. 1 million and I will leave. Had to ask for something. No reply.
So I lock on the 2 omens. Make my demand again. No reply. At this point a kestrel jumps in at 15km out. Locks me and opens fire. At this point I had only locked them, and asked for cash. So I warp scramble one of the Omens. I launch 7 heavy drones toward the kestrel and open fire on the omen. The other omen jumps away. Another kestrel jumps in same jump spot bout 15km away. Around this time the first kestrel goes boom and I sick me doggies on the new kestrel. I destroy the Omen and open fire on the new kestrel and it goes boom. It wasn't all that fast but I'm trying to keep it short.
Now I am sitting there and these guys are quite the little potty mouths I must say. They make the comment that that they have some friends on the way in battleships and I am ôgoing to get itö. I cleaned that up a lot.
So I tell them I will be in the area and just give a yell and move on.
Now the rest of the night I get nothing but harassed by these guys with threats and anything else you can think of. From contracts on my head to war on my corp. It went on non stop till I logged about an hour later.
So this is my open letter of apology to all pirates. I am apologizing why? Because I tried to defend the carebear way of life in this game. Boy was I wrong. I understand what you guys mean. I tried to play a part of the game. I got nothing but grief from these guys. I didnÆt pod anyone. I didnÆt destroy their ore cans. I asked for a very small sum of cash. They had ample opportunity to escape. They were all insured, ôthatÆs what they said anywayö. So they lost nothing but a little time but were ****ed as hell. They were mad that I had interfered with their little op. Who did I think I was? What gave me the right?
When I got podded earlier in my career I just accepted the fact that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and moved on. I never even opened a channel to the guy.
Is this the normal response you guys get?
Any way any pvp corps looking for members? Cuz damn that was a rush. 
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
zincol
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:05:00 -
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"They make the comment that that they have some friends on the way in battleships"
ahahahahahhahahaahahhahahahah!!!
i love it when they say that :-)
w00t!
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:06:00 -
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Ok 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:09:00 -
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They're nowhere as common, but there are people who call themselves pirates that act the same way when they die. 
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:35:00 -
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Is "battleships on the way" the EVE equivalent of "Why don't you fight my main you &*$#*&*#@?"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:42:00 -
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Breaking News:
"Amox Runs Amok in Pirateering Shock!"
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:14:00 -
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Try to be a merc one night. Let someone hire you to do a contract kill. Then do the job and watch the hate mail and war threats roll in from multiple people, especially if they are in an alliance. Sometimes they get paranoid and go after the guy they think might have hired us.
People seem to accept pirates but don't accept mercs. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:16:00 -
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Sorry, but, what did you expect? You threatened them, the amount of money doesn't matter, you were more than merely a begger, and besides which, I think those sorts of actions that they did really helps immerse people.
The only reason you have to be ****ed off at them would be if they made it out that you were breaking the rules or something, but they didn't.
Sure, the battleship lie was lame of them, but, its good to see some vengefull people in the game.
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:21:00 -
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What Sec Level's allow you to do this in an Astroid Belt, .4 and below?
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:51:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:52:00 -
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People seem to accept pirates but don't accept mercs.
In think the underlying "problem" (for lack of a better word) people have with mercs is they feel mercs really are just pirates trying to put an attractive veneer on what they do to hide what they are at the core. At least pirates own up wo who and what they are and do generally.
In the past on a few occasions I tried to hire merc(s) to help settle some grudges I have. As you might expect my grudge list is heavy with pirates. I went through my list and got, "Sorry, we have a NAP with those guys." Over and over that happened. My understanding of what a mercenary is has them not owing loyalty to anyone. They may very well fight for one side one week and then fight against the side they were just on the following week.
Essentially my take on the whole thing was the mercs were really pirates doing pirate things but playing both sides of the fence and collecting even more money than if they were just straight-up pirates.
All of that said I admit I do not know all mercs in the game and this is just anecdotal evidence so it does not "prove" anything about mercs one way or the other. Still, I for one have formed a somewhat less than favorable view of them from my initial take that they were a cool part of the EVE universe (and yes, I know you don't care what I think...this is just to maybe explain what the "other" side may be thinking).
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Silkline
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:53:00 -
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I wouldn't give you 1m or 1 ISK either because if I did that then I would have to give every player warping into local space 1million ISK. So I give you 1 million ISK, you going to leave me alone for the day, the week or for a month? Is that a guarantee? What about the other so called PC "Pirates"? What about them?
See the point here?
So, I give you 1 million isk, you can blow me up and pod after you get the ISK. I don't know you and probably never met you. It's not about roleplaying here, chivalry or this or that. No such thing exists in this game as a good pirate NPC player.
The same thing applies in 0.0 all the way up to 1.0 space.
In empire space, other players just jump in a Kestrel, launch a salvo of cruise missles on the target player. The target player dies, the shooter loses the ship to CCP and the shooter's buddies move in and take the dropped cans. This has been going on now for along time (several weeks).
So, the jist of it is, from my short two months of playing this game, there is no safe space and no "Chivalry". The underlying theme in this game is "Kill or be Killed" whether your a new player or an experienced one.
As far as trash talk, every MMORPG game (PvP especially)has players who talk it. I don't like it either but that's what this game attracts and the gameplay fosters it.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:55:00 -
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What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
Not to mention unloading a squadron of drones on their opponent as well.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 09/04/2004 17:03:27
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So I give you 1 million ISK, you going to leave me alone for the day, the week or for a month? Is that a guarantee? What about the other so called PC "Pirates"? What about them?
I can't speak for all pirates (or any for that matter) but my understanding of it has been that ransoming your ship saves you for the rest of that EVE "day" (or maybe 24 hours total...not sure). If they catch you in a belt the following day they will do it to you again and will happily keep it up till you learn ways to stop it from happening.
As for a "guarantee" pirates are actually very very good at keeping their word. If you ransom your ship and avoid smack talk they will honor the agreement and leave you be. The whole concept of ransoming ships depends on this.
I don't know but I expect a pirate who took the money then killed his victim anyway had best come up with a very very good reason for it or will likely find himself outcast among pirates and likely chased and podded by other pirates for that action. This is just my sense of things mostly because I have never heard of a pirate breaking an agreement to see how the rest of the pirate community would react to it.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:03:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
LoL the Miner noob has spoken 
Carebear|Me
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:03:00 -
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Wanda seems to think PvP=Griefer.
Much like every other game with marketed and advertised PvP, there will always be those who bemoan the fact that some people actually do what the game advertises and have the nerve to kill people. The sheer horror.
Wait till I get up to speed sweetums....
"Who wants some ham."
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:04:00 -
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Oh and if they Harass u - for killing stuff - just petition it 
Carebear|Me
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:21:00 -
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I never said I got mad at them. I never spoke out of turn at all as far as that goes. Ignore works wonders.
Like the advice I followed. "Don't judge the "Pirate" life style till you fly a light year in our ships."
They were right. The same can be asked of any player in the game. Everyone seems to think that unless you choose to pvp there isnt any pvp. Thats been proven wrong to me several times.
And besides they had plenty of time to leave. But greed kept them there.
And for those calling me a griefer. Read the whole story. If I want to grief them I had all kinds of chances and I took none of them. If any one broke the rules it was them in their comments to me, but the GMs wont see a petition from me.
And yes it was a .4 system. Just stay away from the gate and stations, pvp isn't a problem.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Swift
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Swift on 09/04/2004 17:34:02
I think this is a simple case of people being upset at having their little mining party disrupted and thus sending empty threats to the person responsible - 'you'. However you did your job just as you were supposed to as a pirate - asked for demands, they didn't respond, hell they responded with your demand with aggression and you blew them away.
After that really, its a case of 'ignore' (as you did too ;) ). There is not more dialogue to be conducted here - that situation is over. This sort of backlash is always inevitable - as any of the experienced pirates will tell you, when the 'scenario' is over - you just move on and do not converse with them anymore. :) Professionalism of course ;) Victims are always an unhappy bunch - can't blame them, but then you knew that when yoou chose to become a pirate. C'est la vie.
Pirate-victim-bounty hunter-merc relationships are all 'less talk, more action' - best way to enjoy the game simply. Make your demands, state why you are doing what you are doing. Close channels. End of story.
P.S In my mind the original poster is a 'pirate' doing his job. A griefer is someone that not only does not make demands, but kills for the sake of causing disruption with the intention of gaining little to nothing for his actions.
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:45:00 -
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If they refuse to pay, fight back, or just die because of their incompetence, then massive flaming is common. If they are more cooperative and you manage a successful robbery which leaves both parties alive, they're usually more mannered because they know you could have killed them but didn't. Just goes with the attitude of the particular player I guess, and in part the way you handle the situation.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:46:00 -
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I killed a semi-afk war enemy the other day and got a torrent of abuse about being "lame" for killing someone who was mining.
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Deep Spacer
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:50:00 -
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i used to be a carebear miner (still a miner, but less carebearish)
well i got a new scorpion, and decided to go get some miners.
found some dude running back and forth to the station in a maller, mining the hard way. i followed him back to his belt, scrambled and jammed him and ransomed his ship for 2 million. thru this whole thing i and the victom were very polite, and as i warped off i said have a nice day. fly safe.
well the next day i get a convo from some clown in his corp saying that because i did this i will be hunted down and killed, and that i better watch my back. not like im afraid of a 10 person corp full of n00bs...but this kinda thing just ruins it. the guy i ransomed didnt seem that mad about it, i got no hate mail, or harrassment in local. either way, i hope to see some more of this corp in .4, for this time they wont get any ransom demands from me.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 09/04/2004 17:58:01
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Much like every other game with marketed and advertised PvP, there will always be those who bemoan the fact that some people actually do what the game advertises and have the nerve to kill people. The sheer horror.
PvP does not necessarily equal "I can do what I want, to whom I want, whenever I want."
I think there is a fundamental disconnect in EVE between those who want PvP and those who wish to avoid it.
If you are playing, say, Unreal Tournament you expect to get shot. The whole game is pure PvP and no one has any right to gripe about getting killed while playing it.
SIMS Online would be the reverse. A diehard PvPer hardly has room to complain that he/she can't gank people. The game doesn't allow for it and if that is what you want go somewhere else.
Then you have EVE which is a mixture of the two extremes. Clearly the game is not meant to allow a free-for-all brawl everywhere, all the time nor is it meant to be Carebear Mining Simulator.
I think the disconnect comes in figuring just where the lines are drawn and it is a constant tug-of-war between the two camps. Excluding the two extremes of those who would like to see free pirating everywhere including such places as Yulai and those who think they should be able to AFK mine Arkanor in battleship safely you get a largish grey area where I think most thoughtful people in EVE fall.
Roughly put it is whether PvP should be consensual and the arguments might go something like this:
Carebears:
PvP should be consensual in EVE. Unless we both agree to fight I should be left alone. PvPers are trying to extract their fun at my expense. In real life it would be like a boxer walking down the street and randomly pummeling people beacuse they have fun doing it. Nevermind the person getting pounded on is not enjoying any of it. If that person chooses to get in the ring with the boxer then fine. Otherwise they should be left alone.
PvPers:
EVE is not real life, it is a game. Part of that game allows for pirates. The rules are known to everyone. If you do not wish the risk of getting attacked against your will areas exist that you can stay in to avoid it. Essentially, you are "stepping into the ring with the boxer" when you choose to leave the safe areas. Pirating brings an element of risk to EVE that in the end increases the fun of playing in that Universe.
I am not arguing one side or the other here. There are even shades of grey between the two rough outlines of the opposing camps I gave above. In the end I am not sure it can ever really be settled to the satisfaction of all. With two diametrically opposed options such as this you will get people all across the spectrum and unless EVE adopts a model of a PvP server and a Carebear server I doubt it will ever truly be settled.
As a result you will get people screaming bloody murder and trash talking to pirates. You will get people who accept it and move on. You will get pirates who try to play the highway robber and pirates who try to play the mass murderer. And they all come here to gripe about their lot in life  .
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Death***** on 09/04/2004 18:11:24
All people act differently. Its the tough wanta be people that respond with **** in local most of the time (sometimes they actually can do what the mouth spits out).
My fights just in the last couple days have yeilded, good fight, tell some guys from the corp I said hi, and can I get a screeny of your ship before you leave. All have been nice easy going after the "fight" was over with at the time.
Only exception was to one guy where he was ****ed I capped his breacher.
BTW miners seem to be really defensive when loosing ships, just watch out for smack talk coming from them thats all.
Oh ya take threats and that with a grain of salt. 90% of the time they won't back their claim up.
Fear The Bunny
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:10:00 -
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Quote:
i used to be a carebear miner (still a miner, but less carebearish)
well i got a new scorpion, and decided to go get some miners.
found some dude running back and forth to the station in a maller, mining the hard way. i followed him back to his belt, scrambled and jammed him and ransomed his ship for 2 million. thru this whole thing i and the victom were very polite, and as i warped off i said have a nice day. fly safe.
well the next day i get a convo from some clown in his corp saying that because i did this i will be hunted down and killed, and that i better watch my back. not like im afraid of a 10 person corp full of n00bs...but this kinda thing just ruins it. the guy i ransomed didnt seem that mad about it, i got no hate mail, or harassment in local. either way, i hope to see some more of this corp in .4, for this time they wont get any ransom demands from me.
*Twitch* that one, and the other posts hurt my brain *twitch*
seriously, you steal, kill, attack people and ruin their hard work...um you should not only be told your a piece of trash for pirating but you hsuld feel like it too...or at least have the decency to not whine like a baby when you get threatening mails and hate tossed your way. What kind of lame sentimental pirates are you people? If you can't handle the hate, stop being a Jack-*ss, duh.
same goes for "ore-thieves"
"Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result."
Pirates are cold blooded monsters that will come along in a moment of weakness and take what they can get, and then try to take more. a 24-hour period of not being robbed is about as stupid as unlikely to happen. Besides the only time you actually make deals with pirates about ransoms is when buying time will help.
Suck it up
Oh and nothing wrong with mercs, I don't know why mercs are hated as much as pirates but Ic ertainly don't share that sentiment. In fact that S******dly corp Run by Shamis Orzoz is a merc corp and I find them to be absolutly trust worth and quite plesent to deal with.
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amox on 09/04/2004 18:20:44
I have lost a ship or 3 to pirates and I never went whining to my corp mates or to the forums saying how unfair it was. I was trying to make a quick buck and got caught was all. "In reference to losing ships while mining."
I did however try and defend the whole leave me out of pvp and let me make my isk risk free please life style.
All I can say is that if this is what pirates have to put up with from day to day then no wonder they kill on site and/or disable a ship as fast as possible. I spent the whole night looking for just that one fight. I got 0 loot and 0 isk. Cost me ammo and time and a crap load of some words I had to look up.
But if nothing else it was a learning experience, and thats what it was about anyway. I know I learned something and I hope that they did as well.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:17:00 -
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BTW miners seem to be really defensive when loosing ships, just watch out for smack talk coming from them thats all.
I suspect this comes from the added feeling of being attacked whiel helpless. It is one thing to have your ship get jumped when your ship is fitted with weapons. It is something else entirely when it happens and your ship is mostly defenseless.
Yes, I know miners can do many things to mitigate how "defenseless" they are and it may be said it is their own fault for not taking those precautions. Nevertheless the anger stems from a feeling of getting hit while they are down.
I do find it funny how pirates complain that when they enter a system all the miners go running for safespots or stations or log off. What do they expect the miners to do? I'm sure the pirate would be thrilled if miners just sat still to get ganked but it is an unreasonable expectation.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:19:00 -
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I got 0 loot and 0 isk. Cost me ammo and time and a crap load of some words I had to look up.
Sounds like you had fun though.
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:21:00 -
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lol yea a great deal.
I fear I may be hooked.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Cuisinart
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:23:00 -
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I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
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