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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:03:00 -
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Well I took the advice posted in one of the threads here. So last night I equip my Thorax for pvp and head out to find a fight. After 32 jumps I locate a group of miners. There were 2 Omens just mining away with a bestower just leaving.
I made a simple demand. 1 million and I will leave. Had to ask for something. No reply.
So I lock on the 2 omens. Make my demand again. No reply. At this point a kestrel jumps in at 15km out. Locks me and opens fire. At this point I had only locked them, and asked for cash. So I warp scramble one of the Omens. I launch 7 heavy drones toward the kestrel and open fire on the omen. The other omen jumps away. Another kestrel jumps in same jump spot bout 15km away. Around this time the first kestrel goes boom and I sick me doggies on the new kestrel. I destroy the Omen and open fire on the new kestrel and it goes boom. It wasn't all that fast but I'm trying to keep it short.
Now I am sitting there and these guys are quite the little potty mouths I must say. They make the comment that that they have some friends on the way in battleships and I am ôgoing to get itö. I cleaned that up a lot.
So I tell them I will be in the area and just give a yell and move on.
Now the rest of the night I get nothing but harassed by these guys with threats and anything else you can think of. From contracts on my head to war on my corp. It went on non stop till I logged about an hour later.
So this is my open letter of apology to all pirates. I am apologizing why? Because I tried to defend the carebear way of life in this game. Boy was I wrong. I understand what you guys mean. I tried to play a part of the game. I got nothing but grief from these guys. I didnÆt pod anyone. I didnÆt destroy their ore cans. I asked for a very small sum of cash. They had ample opportunity to escape. They were all insured, ôthatÆs what they said anywayö. So they lost nothing but a little time but were ****ed as hell. They were mad that I had interfered with their little op. Who did I think I was? What gave me the right?
When I got podded earlier in my career I just accepted the fact that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and moved on. I never even opened a channel to the guy.
Is this the normal response you guys get?
Any way any pvp corps looking for members? Cuz damn that was a rush. 
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
zincol
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:05:00 -
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"They make the comment that that they have some friends on the way in battleships"
ahahahahahhahahaahahhahahahah!!!
i love it when they say that :-)
w00t!
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:06:00 -
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Ok 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:09:00 -
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They're nowhere as common, but there are people who call themselves pirates that act the same way when they die. 
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:35:00 -
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Is "battleships on the way" the EVE equivalent of "Why don't you fight my main you &*$#*&*#@?"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:42:00 -
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Breaking News:
"Amox Runs Amok in Pirateering Shock!"
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:14:00 -
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Try to be a merc one night. Let someone hire you to do a contract kill. Then do the job and watch the hate mail and war threats roll in from multiple people, especially if they are in an alliance. Sometimes they get paranoid and go after the guy they think might have hired us.
People seem to accept pirates but don't accept mercs. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:16:00 -
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Sorry, but, what did you expect? You threatened them, the amount of money doesn't matter, you were more than merely a begger, and besides which, I think those sorts of actions that they did really helps immerse people.
The only reason you have to be ****ed off at them would be if they made it out that you were breaking the rules or something, but they didn't.
Sure, the battleship lie was lame of them, but, its good to see some vengefull people in the game.
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:21:00 -
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What Sec Level's allow you to do this in an Astroid Belt, .4 and below?
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:51:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:52:00 -
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People seem to accept pirates but don't accept mercs.
In think the underlying "problem" (for lack of a better word) people have with mercs is they feel mercs really are just pirates trying to put an attractive veneer on what they do to hide what they are at the core. At least pirates own up wo who and what they are and do generally.
In the past on a few occasions I tried to hire merc(s) to help settle some grudges I have. As you might expect my grudge list is heavy with pirates. I went through my list and got, "Sorry, we have a NAP with those guys." Over and over that happened. My understanding of what a mercenary is has them not owing loyalty to anyone. They may very well fight for one side one week and then fight against the side they were just on the following week.
Essentially my take on the whole thing was the mercs were really pirates doing pirate things but playing both sides of the fence and collecting even more money than if they were just straight-up pirates.
All of that said I admit I do not know all mercs in the game and this is just anecdotal evidence so it does not "prove" anything about mercs one way or the other. Still, I for one have formed a somewhat less than favorable view of them from my initial take that they were a cool part of the EVE universe (and yes, I know you don't care what I think...this is just to maybe explain what the "other" side may be thinking).
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Silkline
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:53:00 -
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I wouldn't give you 1m or 1 ISK either because if I did that then I would have to give every player warping into local space 1million ISK. So I give you 1 million ISK, you going to leave me alone for the day, the week or for a month? Is that a guarantee? What about the other so called PC "Pirates"? What about them?
See the point here?
So, I give you 1 million isk, you can blow me up and pod after you get the ISK. I don't know you and probably never met you. It's not about roleplaying here, chivalry or this or that. No such thing exists in this game as a good pirate NPC player.
The same thing applies in 0.0 all the way up to 1.0 space.
In empire space, other players just jump in a Kestrel, launch a salvo of cruise missles on the target player. The target player dies, the shooter loses the ship to CCP and the shooter's buddies move in and take the dropped cans. This has been going on now for along time (several weeks).
So, the jist of it is, from my short two months of playing this game, there is no safe space and no "Chivalry". The underlying theme in this game is "Kill or be Killed" whether your a new player or an experienced one.
As far as trash talk, every MMORPG game (PvP especially)has players who talk it. I don't like it either but that's what this game attracts and the gameplay fosters it.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:55:00 -
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What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
Not to mention unloading a squadron of drones on their opponent as well.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 09/04/2004 17:03:27
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So I give you 1 million ISK, you going to leave me alone for the day, the week or for a month? Is that a guarantee? What about the other so called PC "Pirates"? What about them?
I can't speak for all pirates (or any for that matter) but my understanding of it has been that ransoming your ship saves you for the rest of that EVE "day" (or maybe 24 hours total...not sure). If they catch you in a belt the following day they will do it to you again and will happily keep it up till you learn ways to stop it from happening.
As for a "guarantee" pirates are actually very very good at keeping their word. If you ransom your ship and avoid smack talk they will honor the agreement and leave you be. The whole concept of ransoming ships depends on this.
I don't know but I expect a pirate who took the money then killed his victim anyway had best come up with a very very good reason for it or will likely find himself outcast among pirates and likely chased and podded by other pirates for that action. This is just my sense of things mostly because I have never heard of a pirate breaking an agreement to see how the rest of the pirate community would react to it.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:03:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
LoL the Miner noob has spoken 
Carebear|Me
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:03:00 -
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Wanda seems to think PvP=Griefer.
Much like every other game with marketed and advertised PvP, there will always be those who bemoan the fact that some people actually do what the game advertises and have the nerve to kill people. The sheer horror.
Wait till I get up to speed sweetums....
"Who wants some ham."
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:04:00 -
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Oh and if they Harass u - for killing stuff - just petition it 
Carebear|Me
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:21:00 -
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I never said I got mad at them. I never spoke out of turn at all as far as that goes. Ignore works wonders.
Like the advice I followed. "Don't judge the "Pirate" life style till you fly a light year in our ships."
They were right. The same can be asked of any player in the game. Everyone seems to think that unless you choose to pvp there isnt any pvp. Thats been proven wrong to me several times.
And besides they had plenty of time to leave. But greed kept them there.
And for those calling me a griefer. Read the whole story. If I want to grief them I had all kinds of chances and I took none of them. If any one broke the rules it was them in their comments to me, but the GMs wont see a petition from me.
And yes it was a .4 system. Just stay away from the gate and stations, pvp isn't a problem.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Swift
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Swift on 09/04/2004 17:34:02
I think this is a simple case of people being upset at having their little mining party disrupted and thus sending empty threats to the person responsible - 'you'. However you did your job just as you were supposed to as a pirate - asked for demands, they didn't respond, hell they responded with your demand with aggression and you blew them away.
After that really, its a case of 'ignore' (as you did too ;) ). There is not more dialogue to be conducted here - that situation is over. This sort of backlash is always inevitable - as any of the experienced pirates will tell you, when the 'scenario' is over - you just move on and do not converse with them anymore. :) Professionalism of course ;) Victims are always an unhappy bunch - can't blame them, but then you knew that when yoou chose to become a pirate. C'est la vie.
Pirate-victim-bounty hunter-merc relationships are all 'less talk, more action' - best way to enjoy the game simply. Make your demands, state why you are doing what you are doing. Close channels. End of story.
P.S In my mind the original poster is a 'pirate' doing his job. A griefer is someone that not only does not make demands, but kills for the sake of causing disruption with the intention of gaining little to nothing for his actions.
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:45:00 -
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If they refuse to pay, fight back, or just die because of their incompetence, then massive flaming is common. If they are more cooperative and you manage a successful robbery which leaves both parties alive, they're usually more mannered because they know you could have killed them but didn't. Just goes with the attitude of the particular player I guess, and in part the way you handle the situation.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:46:00 -
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I killed a semi-afk war enemy the other day and got a torrent of abuse about being "lame" for killing someone who was mining.
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Deep Spacer
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:50:00 -
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i used to be a carebear miner (still a miner, but less carebearish)
well i got a new scorpion, and decided to go get some miners.
found some dude running back and forth to the station in a maller, mining the hard way. i followed him back to his belt, scrambled and jammed him and ransomed his ship for 2 million. thru this whole thing i and the victom were very polite, and as i warped off i said have a nice day. fly safe.
well the next day i get a convo from some clown in his corp saying that because i did this i will be hunted down and killed, and that i better watch my back. not like im afraid of a 10 person corp full of n00bs...but this kinda thing just ruins it. the guy i ransomed didnt seem that mad about it, i got no hate mail, or harrassment in local. either way, i hope to see some more of this corp in .4, for this time they wont get any ransom demands from me.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 09/04/2004 17:58:01
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Much like every other game with marketed and advertised PvP, there will always be those who bemoan the fact that some people actually do what the game advertises and have the nerve to kill people. The sheer horror.
PvP does not necessarily equal "I can do what I want, to whom I want, whenever I want."
I think there is a fundamental disconnect in EVE between those who want PvP and those who wish to avoid it.
If you are playing, say, Unreal Tournament you expect to get shot. The whole game is pure PvP and no one has any right to gripe about getting killed while playing it.
SIMS Online would be the reverse. A diehard PvPer hardly has room to complain that he/she can't gank people. The game doesn't allow for it and if that is what you want go somewhere else.
Then you have EVE which is a mixture of the two extremes. Clearly the game is not meant to allow a free-for-all brawl everywhere, all the time nor is it meant to be Carebear Mining Simulator.
I think the disconnect comes in figuring just where the lines are drawn and it is a constant tug-of-war between the two camps. Excluding the two extremes of those who would like to see free pirating everywhere including such places as Yulai and those who think they should be able to AFK mine Arkanor in battleship safely you get a largish grey area where I think most thoughtful people in EVE fall.
Roughly put it is whether PvP should be consensual and the arguments might go something like this:
Carebears:
PvP should be consensual in EVE. Unless we both agree to fight I should be left alone. PvPers are trying to extract their fun at my expense. In real life it would be like a boxer walking down the street and randomly pummeling people beacuse they have fun doing it. Nevermind the person getting pounded on is not enjoying any of it. If that person chooses to get in the ring with the boxer then fine. Otherwise they should be left alone.
PvPers:
EVE is not real life, it is a game. Part of that game allows for pirates. The rules are known to everyone. If you do not wish the risk of getting attacked against your will areas exist that you can stay in to avoid it. Essentially, you are "stepping into the ring with the boxer" when you choose to leave the safe areas. Pirating brings an element of risk to EVE that in the end increases the fun of playing in that Universe.
I am not arguing one side or the other here. There are even shades of grey between the two rough outlines of the opposing camps I gave above. In the end I am not sure it can ever really be settled to the satisfaction of all. With two diametrically opposed options such as this you will get people all across the spectrum and unless EVE adopts a model of a PvP server and a Carebear server I doubt it will ever truly be settled.
As a result you will get people screaming bloody murder and trash talking to pirates. You will get people who accept it and move on. You will get pirates who try to play the highway robber and pirates who try to play the mass murderer. And they all come here to gripe about their lot in life  .
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Death***** on 09/04/2004 18:11:24
All people act differently. Its the tough wanta be people that respond with **** in local most of the time (sometimes they actually can do what the mouth spits out).
My fights just in the last couple days have yeilded, good fight, tell some guys from the corp I said hi, and can I get a screeny of your ship before you leave. All have been nice easy going after the "fight" was over with at the time.
Only exception was to one guy where he was ****ed I capped his breacher.
BTW miners seem to be really defensive when loosing ships, just watch out for smack talk coming from them thats all.
Oh ya take threats and that with a grain of salt. 90% of the time they won't back their claim up.
Fear The Bunny
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:10:00 -
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Quote:
i used to be a carebear miner (still a miner, but less carebearish)
well i got a new scorpion, and decided to go get some miners.
found some dude running back and forth to the station in a maller, mining the hard way. i followed him back to his belt, scrambled and jammed him and ransomed his ship for 2 million. thru this whole thing i and the victom were very polite, and as i warped off i said have a nice day. fly safe.
well the next day i get a convo from some clown in his corp saying that because i did this i will be hunted down and killed, and that i better watch my back. not like im afraid of a 10 person corp full of n00bs...but this kinda thing just ruins it. the guy i ransomed didnt seem that mad about it, i got no hate mail, or harassment in local. either way, i hope to see some more of this corp in .4, for this time they wont get any ransom demands from me.
*Twitch* that one, and the other posts hurt my brain *twitch*
seriously, you steal, kill, attack people and ruin their hard work...um you should not only be told your a piece of trash for pirating but you hsuld feel like it too...or at least have the decency to not whine like a baby when you get threatening mails and hate tossed your way. What kind of lame sentimental pirates are you people? If you can't handle the hate, stop being a Jack-*ss, duh.
same goes for "ore-thieves"
"Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result."
Pirates are cold blooded monsters that will come along in a moment of weakness and take what they can get, and then try to take more. a 24-hour period of not being robbed is about as stupid as unlikely to happen. Besides the only time you actually make deals with pirates about ransoms is when buying time will help.
Suck it up
Oh and nothing wrong with mercs, I don't know why mercs are hated as much as pirates but Ic ertainly don't share that sentiment. In fact that S******dly corp Run by Shamis Orzoz is a merc corp and I find them to be absolutly trust worth and quite plesent to deal with.
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amox on 09/04/2004 18:20:44
I have lost a ship or 3 to pirates and I never went whining to my corp mates or to the forums saying how unfair it was. I was trying to make a quick buck and got caught was all. "In reference to losing ships while mining."
I did however try and defend the whole leave me out of pvp and let me make my isk risk free please life style.
All I can say is that if this is what pirates have to put up with from day to day then no wonder they kill on site and/or disable a ship as fast as possible. I spent the whole night looking for just that one fight. I got 0 loot and 0 isk. Cost me ammo and time and a crap load of some words I had to look up.
But if nothing else it was a learning experience, and thats what it was about anyway. I know I learned something and I hope that they did as well.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:17:00 -
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BTW miners seem to be really defensive when loosing ships, just watch out for smack talk coming from them thats all.
I suspect this comes from the added feeling of being attacked whiel helpless. It is one thing to have your ship get jumped when your ship is fitted with weapons. It is something else entirely when it happens and your ship is mostly defenseless.
Yes, I know miners can do many things to mitigate how "defenseless" they are and it may be said it is their own fault for not taking those precautions. Nevertheless the anger stems from a feeling of getting hit while they are down.
I do find it funny how pirates complain that when they enter a system all the miners go running for safespots or stations or log off. What do they expect the miners to do? I'm sure the pirate would be thrilled if miners just sat still to get ganked but it is an unreasonable expectation.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:19:00 -
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I got 0 loot and 0 isk. Cost me ammo and time and a crap load of some words I had to look up.
Sounds like you had fun though.
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:21:00 -
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lol yea a great deal.
I fear I may be hooked.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Cuisinart
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:23:00 -
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I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
Vision without action is a daydream
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator on 09/04/2004 18:30:51
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
Please wash your mouth with soap. Then when you are grown up and know what you are talking about you can speak again.
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Acix
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Acix on 09/04/2004 18:40:28
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Mon Palae
In think the underlying "problem" (for lack of a better word) people have with mercs is they feel mercs really are just pirates trying to put an attractive veneer on what they do to hide what they are at the core. At least pirates own up wo who and what they are and do generally.
In the past on a few occasions I tried to hire merc(s) to help settle some grudges I have. As you might expect my grudge list is heavy with pirates. I went through my list and got, "Sorry, we have a NAP with those guys." Over and over that happened. My understanding of what a mercenary is has them not owing loyalty to anyone. They may very well fight for one side one week and then fight against the side they were just on the following week.
These types of mercs give the rest of us a bad name.
Nothing personal if my corpmates or myself pod you. We would pod our own grandma for the allmighty ISK.
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:39:00 -
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I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
Whos whining?
Please spare me the real life analogy. To actually cause harm to someone in real life and pvp in a game have nothing common.
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mitchello on 09/04/2004 19:01:01
Edited by: Mitchello on 09/04/2004 19:00:08
Edited by: Mitchello on 09/04/2004 18:59:23
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I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
Whos whining?
Please spare me the real life analogy. To actually cause harm to someone in real life and pvp in a game have nothing common.
not true, people who are willing to ruin hours of people's time by stealing what they build and mine in EVE are the same kind of punks that would steal candy bars in 7-11
ALSO his real life analogy was an example of human nature and how the brain reacts. You steal from me I'll get ****ed, same as if I steal from you, you might put on a good face but of course it irks you, your only human...and a lowly one at that is seems...well have fun role-playing your hate :D
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mitchello on 09/04/2004 19:01:01
Edited by: Mitchello on 09/04/2004 19:00:08
Edited by: Mitchello on 09/04/2004 18:59:23
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Quote:
I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
Whos whining?
Please spare me the real life analogy. To actually cause harm to someone in real life and pvp in a game have nothing common.
not true, people who are willing to ruin hours of people's time by stealing what they build and mine in EVE are the same kind of punks that would steal candy bars in 7-11
ALSO his real life analogy was an example of human nature and how the brain reacts. You steal from me I'll get ****ed, same as if I steal from you, you might put on a good face but of course it irks you, your only human...and a lowly one at that is seems...well have fun role-playing your hate :D
Oh such hate and a personal attack as well, and you are trying to make me sound petty
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage. |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.04.09 19:14:00 -
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The thing I don't understand about people that get ****ed about getting pirated is why play the game if there is no risk of losing anything? That's what eventually turned me of about EnB your hangar is filled to the brink with ores, you got alts for all the different types of loot, you got 100s of millions, you've got a 150+++++++++++++++++++++ char or 3, you've effectively finished the game, you're bored, you leave.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Swift
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Posted - 2004.04.09 19:51:00 -
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Yes theres a moral issue here - it has existed in pvp MUDs way before MMOGS even appeared - you kill someone, they lose something - previously experience and loot in MUDs, in this case maybe skill points and isk (ship plus modules, even if insured).
Point is, that consentual pvp never has worked in any other mmporg - in EVE the whole safe sec/low sec space proves a partition of sorts so some can enjoy the game without ever needing to pvp. But as soon as one leaves higher secs, the risk increases as you go down and one knows they may run into pirates. That is your 'consent'.
Yes losing your ship plus modules will result in a human response - not a roleplayed response but a 'real' response. That is why some people can simply never play a pirate - because they feel bad for the 'pain' they have caused. At the same time other pirates will not feel so bad with the simple idea that their targets knew the risks involved and now are paying the price for their 'risk'.
Its a fine system - better than any other mmporg up to date and will only get better as CCP keeps tuning it. So for those that ganked - either employ security and take measures or stay out of dangerous areas. And to pirates - the only thing I can think is that it would be nice if more pirates actually 'ransomed' and 'mugged' rather than mindlessly shot their 'prey'. At least its most realistic that way - in real life there are of course homicidal manics, but crooks that actually 'mug' and 'rob' are much more common, and obviously the rewards from the latter are more tangible than mindless death.
But hey whatever rocks your boat. Remember - there are active pirate hunters that give these pirates a hard time by making it their job to 'gank' the pirates just as they gank the innocent. And the cycle of life continues.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.04.09 20:04:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
word!
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.04.09 20:17:00 -
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i have to say well done to Mon Palae you have hit the nail on the head in everyone of your post good posts
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Bele gorri
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Posted - 2004.04.09 20:50:00 -
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Yes losing your ship plus modules will result in a human response - not a roleplayed response but a 'real' response. That is why some people can simply never play a pirate - because they feel bad for the 'pain' they have caused. At the same time other pirates will not feel so bad with the simple idea that their targets knew the risks involved and now are paying the price for their 'risk'.
But hey whatever rocks your boat. Remember - there are active pirate hunters that give these pirates a hard time by making it their job to 'gank' the pirates just as they gank the innocent. And the cycle of life continues.
True, and that should be the response to those pirates.
I'm a carebear, and if get ganked or someone asks me for money i know that my responses must be in-game ones. If they are not enough or doesen't satisfy me, I should complain CCP and the gameplay, not the pirate.Thas why btw are so many "Carebear-Pirate" complains to them.
Harassing, mailing and other "RL" responses are out of game.
Remember, to all player, this is only a game and we are here to have fun. If you don't have it or get disapointed too many times, maybe should find another one that satisfies you more than this one.
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:25:00 -
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I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
Whos whining?
Please spare me the real life analogy. To actually cause harm to someone in real life and pvp in a game have nothing common.
not true, people who are willing to ruin hours of people's time by stealing what they build and mine in EVE are the same kind of punks that would steal candy bars in 7-11
ALSO his real life analogy was an example of human nature and how the brain reacts. You steal from me I'll get ****ed, same as if I steal from you, you might put on a good face but of course it irks you, your only human...and a lowly one at that is seems...well have fun role-playing your hate :D
Oh such hate and a personal attack as well, and you are trying to make me sound petty
not really, just trying to say that you shouldn't complain like a baby care bear when you get some serious hate thrown your way. I must say you arenÆt much of a pirate, seeking all this external validation.
This is just a game true, but the point was brought up that you are a whiner and don't like the fact that people get mad when you stroke your ID...suck it up, that is my point.
I personally am glad that a darker element exists in this game, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. you want to be a badass evil mo-fo then act like it and maybe you'll get some respect from your peers...but you will never have validation from the players you victimize.
peace :)
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Errol Dinn
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:33:00 -
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Pirating is part of the game. It happens. From the sound of this one, Amox executed a well done grab in a belt. Hell he didn't even ask for that much. The miners for their part did have protection but and decided to defend themselves and lost. If these miners were in a system that allowed Amox to fire on them and lock them down then they knew that this was a possibility. The CONCORD warning when you enter a low sec system warns you of that. Making idle threats and being an a** in local is stupid to be honest.
A bit of advice, Amox next time warp scramble then make a demand. I'd have been out of there as soon as the being targetted box showed around you. BTW nicely done, 2 Kestrels and 1 Omen all popped inside of about 2 minutes.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 09/04/2004 21:42:48
The general attitude tovard pirates is repulsive
yet still everyone "dreams" becoming one some day
unfortunatly the attitude is " as long the pirats dont pirat me - they are ok"
and if they do - oh the whinage
but then agen - do i care
no - i still pod yarrrrr 
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:41:00 -
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Pirating is part of the game. It happens. From the sound of this one, Amox executed a well done grab in a belt. Hell he didn't even ask for that much. The miners for their part did have protection but and decided to defend themselves and lost. If these miners were in a system that allowed Amox to fire on them and lock them down then they knew that this was a possibility. The CONCORD warning when you enter a low sec system warns you of that. Making idle threats and being an a** in local is stupid to be honest.
A bit of advice, Amox next time warp scramble then make a demand. I'd have been out of there as soon as the being targetted box showed around you. BTW nicely done, 2 Kestrels and 1 Omen all popped inside of about 2 minutes.
that isn't in question and you are 100% correct Errol Dinn :)
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:42:00 -
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The general attitude tovard pirates is repulsive
yet still everyone "dreams" becoming one some day
unfortunatly the attitude is " as long the pirats dont pirat me - they are ok"
and if they do - oh the whinage
but then agen - do i care
no - i still pod yarrrrr
Ironic isn't it?
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:09:00 -
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I'm sorry, but one would have to be a moron to expect anyone they rob to not be upset about it. That's as much role play as pirating is. If someone stopped you at a traffic light and demanded $500.00 or he/she would throw a hand grenade in your car would you be glad that you got ripped off? Quit being whiney, this whining is no better than the whining care-bears do about being pirated. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Both can be justified as role play.
Whos whining?
Please spare me the real life analogy. To actually cause harm to someone in real life and pvp in a game have nothing common.
not true, people who are willing to ruin hours of people's time by stealing what they build and mine in EVE are the same kind of punks that would steal candy bars in 7-11
ALSO his real life analogy was an example of human nature and how the brain reacts. You steal from me I'll get ****ed, same as if I steal from you, you might put on a good face but of course it irks you, your only human...and a lowly one at that is seems...well have fun role-playing your hate :D
Oh such hate and a personal attack as well, and you are trying to make me sound petty
not really, just trying to say that you shouldn't complain like a baby care bear when you get some serious hate thrown your way. I must say you arenÆt much of a pirate, seeking all this external validation.
This is just a game true, but the point was brought up that you are a whiner and don't like the fact that people get mad when you stroke your ID...suck it up, that is my point.
I personally am glad that a darker element exists in this game, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. you want to be a badass evil mo-fo then act like it and maybe you'll get some respect from your peers...but you will never have validation from the players you victimize.
peace :)
Show me where I whined?
I never claimed to be a pirate.
I never asked for respect or external validation.
and more personal attacks. nice
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:11:00 -
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man you suck at debating :P
no more talking to you now, bye bye *click*
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:13:00 -
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Pirating is part of the game. It happens. From the sound of this one, Amox executed a well done grab in a belt. Hell he didn't even ask for that much. The miners for their part did have protection but and decided to defend themselves and lost. If these miners were in a system that allowed Amox to fire on them and lock them down then they knew that this was a possibility. The CONCORD warning when you enter a low sec system warns you of that. Making idle threats and being an a** in local is stupid to be honest.
A bit of advice, Amox next time warp scramble then make a demand. I'd have been out of there as soon as the being targetted box showed around you. BTW nicely done, 2 Kestrels and 1 Omen all popped inside of about 2 minutes.
To be honest if it wernt for those 7 wasp and the fact that they made so many mistakes. Like jumping in so close. It could have gone the other way really fast. The wasp are insanely effictive. The way they eat through a frigate is just scary.
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Amox
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:14:00 -
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man you suck at debating :P
no more talking to you now, bye bye *click*
lol another personal attack..
If you want an honest debate leave the personal attacks out.
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Fighterpilotjp on 09/04/2004 22:33:24
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Whos whining?
Please spare me the real life analogy. To actually cause harm to someone in real life and pvp in a game have nothing common.
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not true, people who are willing to ruin hours of people's time by stealing what they build and mine in EVE are the same kind of punks that would steal candy bars in 7-11
It is true. You've got to remember, this is only a game we are playing. In real life, there are laws enforced for real crimes committed. In this game, you are not even breaking rules by shooting another player, even in high security systems. Though an attack on your part is unfortunate, it is well within boundaries set by the game, and does not tell you anything about the player him/herself, who for all you know, could be completely harmless or even a pushover in real life.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Siddy
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:55:00 -
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The general attitude tovard pirates is repulsive
yet still everyone "dreams" becoming one some day
unfortunatly the attitude is " as long the pirats dont pirat me - they are ok"
and if they do - oh the whinage
but then agen - do i care
no - i still pod yarrrrr
Ironic isn't it?
yes - it is
romantik pirating visions and stuff
bad influence from Pirats of caribian
remeber kids - pirats greef peoples
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.09 23:12:00 -
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These people are just like the pirates who will whine when you attack them.
Carebears.
m0o, for example, are NOT carebears--- they don't whine when they die (usually).
I am not a carebear--when I get killed, I laugh. The only time I smacktalk is when I don't die
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Swift
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Posted - 2004.04.09 23:51:00 -
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Agreed - I think the smack talk should come into play when youre the one with the debris scattered around you and *you* are still in one piece. If you're the victim, save the smack talk until you get revenge eh? I definitely practice what I preach and of course its all part of the game.
The problem is that because this is an mmporg it is actually 'life' for quite a few people (sad as it may be). Many people escape into EVE and then end up getting swallowed by it, hours in real life suddenly being replaced by that of EVE... addiction of this genre is something else. So everything is intensified, especially the whote pirate-victim element. Pretty good psychology research paper material here I think :)
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.04.10 00:01:00 -
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Amok - You'll always find that 4 things usually get people killed in 0.0 - Greed, Inattentiveness, Stupidity, and Panicking - I think 3 of them were in your favor in this situation.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.10 00:05:00 -
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Pretty good psychology research paper material here I think :)
I agree and actually mentioned the same thing to a mate of mine once and he said several studies have been conducted on this. I've been meaning to look those up if they do indeed exist but haven't gotten around to it yet.
Sorry to be off-topic but I can' help but think such a thing would be very interesting to see.
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Tandar
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:23:00 -
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The way i see it, as far as the experienc went, the miners seemed to have alot of time to escape their fate. They decided to call in backup and it failed. Now, they do still have reason to be upset, they had a robbery attempt, and ended up losing 3 ships. Personally, i think if they send off a you will regret this, or our corp will hunt you down, fine, thats reasonable, but to continue to harass the person well after the event by sending mail or whatever is going a bit overboard. So far i've lost 3 ships to 'pirates' all 3 times i was just blown up immidiately without any warning or ransom demand. I had minimal cargo so there wasn't really any point to it besides random kililng. of the 3 i was podded once, and i'm sure if they had a chance i would have been podded the other two times as well. Was i upset? yes. was it part of the game? again yes. I vented about it a bit on the corp channel and moved on. The end result is no matter what i'm doing, i'm alot more cautious now.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:47:00 -
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Arrrrr ye station lubbing carebear scum! Let me tell ye a few things about pirating!
First of all, never expect the carebear scum to cooperate! Arr! Shiver me timbers when I say only 5 out of 2 carebears actually decide to pay right away and are very polite. Nay wait, five... two... three... um.. YARRRR! The point being that ye shouldnt expect the carebear scoundrels to pay up right away!
Second! a pirate is always polite with the ladies and the men alike! No smack talking and parrot shaving! Err. disregard that last term... Ye always have to be a tad charming with yer customers, else ye'll not have the fame of a gentleman pirate!
Ninth! Ye must know how to endure the rude scoundrels that have no manners! Ye must always focus on business, and expect respect in return for yer good polite conversatieonaeornetpeaional skills! Arrr! me says...
Sixteenth! Ye should know how much isk to ask from yer customers! Half the ship cost is a good choice, and several million isk for a lonely pod is a clear cut bargain for yer customer! Dont hesitate to barter if ye believe that yer target is really poor and not just a lying carebear with his pockets full!
Last and MOST IMPORTANT! Always hold yer word. If yer customer pays, let him or her go right away! A good honest reputation is the most important thing in the life of a high tide pirate! Otherwise you wont get any customers, and that is teh suckz0r! YARR! Ganking everyone ye see is not good piracy, it be homocidal mania! Which may be fun sometimes, but not all times! ARR!
So shiver me timbers and bring me ale! There be more beutiful women and sweet isk on the horizon, so I must set course for the next system! Listen to ye ol'de Viceroys word and ye shall become a good pirate in no time! ARR!
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:54:00 -
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Well said, Viceroy.
And I am intrigued. If anybody is at the liberty to say, how much total money have you made pirating in the manner that Viceroy here just outlined, or just pirating in general? Is it really profitable? From what I have heard from friends who like to stick around gates and stations, the pot of gold for pirates is usually an inustrial ship full of megacyte or zydrine.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Lump Hammer
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:10:00 -
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Nice thread.
Amox, this is a useful insight for many people contemplating piracy. The verbal you got goes with the role, I guess... its what peeps resort to when there's nothing else they can do.
I guess the more people you gank, the more enemies you will make in EVE. Once you start to be recognised, when there are a string of corps that give you a low standing, I think you'll find it harder. At the moment you probably look clean when people check you out, so are not seen as a threat on first impressions...
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:53:00 -
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Well my friend, when ye decide to be a pirate, it aint all sunshine! Dont expect to become very very stinkin rich like ye ol'de carebear miners in 1.0! Ye gonna be trying to earn every isk ye can to fit yer cannons and keep yer mast up! Piracy aint the most profitable way, but the thrill of a good job done is priceless! When ye open that yee old cargo can of the stubborn carebear that didnt pay, and when ye lay eyes upon all that megacyte, thats yer jackpot! And ye know you'll be partying for a few days with all that isk! But unfortunatly, the jackpot only comes once every three hundred and sixty five days, while you can sit bored at a gate or run around belts only to watch people run away for hours! So over all, its not that profitable, and its certainly not safe, but ARR SHIVER ME TIMBERS! I'll be damned if i ever leave it!
Time to set sail for another carebear system! YarrR!
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Betamax II
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Betamax II on 10/04/2004 22:00:15
Did you get that voice from a faulty implant or what? Tell me, do you have a Zombie monkey in a little waistcoat? Tell me you do :)
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.04.11 00:54:00 -
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Did you get that voice from a faulty implant or what? Tell me, do you have a Zombie monkey in a little waistcoat? Tell me you do :)
Aaarrrr, all pirates get born with very low intel cause they dont be needin the carebearskills aye?
:p
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.11 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kynoch on 11/04/2004 16:25:58
Beating the crap out of pirates is just as fun. Ive gotten some good mods too but alas the money is a bit on the paltry side. Personally I wouldnt trust a pirate as far as I could **** on one. If I cant outsmart or outrun superior forces or escape trap I will die with my boots on and my wallet intact. So far I have only been ganked by SPVD..early on in a cruiser, none since then (knock on Lord Zaps wooden head). That being said I guess you could call me a carebear, I mine on occasion and I have actually given mods back to someone that was killed by our corp. Good sport and all that.
Strangely enough some people kind of like their stuff and dont want it stolen, digital or RL. So when I hear pirates bloviating about how lame miners are when they try to protect what is theirs and are vocal about it I find it somewhat confusing. What else could you possibly expect? If their were mechanics in place to be able to protect your stuff in Empire space then it would most likely be different but for now its totally frustrating watching someone come in and take your stuff and you cant do jack about it. In 0.0 where I hang out its a much more realistic scenario, you try to take what is not yours and you will get shot at, sort of like what would happen if someone tried to steal from my house in RL If you have superior force and defeat the owners of whatever prize you are after then most likely the defeated will simply go away without comment. Its very difficult to have game mechanics that foster the noob along and have real PVP for the experienced player without having some jagoff taking delight in tormenting the noob that cant defend what is his or retaliate.
So why not just block any contact with the harassers and go about your merry ganking way, dont be thin skinned and certainly dont be surprised at peeps reaction to you messing up their lives in Eve, or maybe your a sociopath?
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.04.11 07:24:00 -
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is that like buying viagra or something?
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.04.13 14:33:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
yea, even thorax's (or any ship for that matter) can be dangerous if used properly and to their potential. I had a guy in an arbitrator give me a good fight recently.
To the original poster, that is absolutely right... happens all the time. I fully expect it now but I think you will find usually the newer pilots are the ones that get ****ed the most and take it personally. I can't blame them but you have to laugh after hearing it so much.
Oh yea, and every carebear in the game has 543266 friends in battleships that have instantly dropped their mining lasers and are enroute right now to kill you!! I think only once has this actually happened in my 3 months of piracy, so i get a good laugh every time I hear it now.
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N0sferathu
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Posted - 2004.04.14 22:53:00 -
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funny how this discussion comes up every once in a while....
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Lysender
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Posted - 2004.04.14 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lysender on 14/04/2004 23:42:53
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Well my friend, when ye decide to be a pirate, it aint all sunshine! Dont expect to become very very stinkin rich like ye ol'de carebear miners in 1.0! Ye gonna be trying to earn every isk ye can to fit yer cannons and keep yer mast up! Piracy aint the most profitable way, but the thrill of a good job done is priceless! When ye open that yee old cargo can of the stubborn carebear that didnt pay, and when ye lay eyes upon all that megacyte, thats yer jackpot! And ye know you'll be partying for a few days with all that isk! But unfortunatly, the jackpot only comes once every three hundred and sixty five days, while you can sit bored at a gate or run around belts only to watch people run away for hours! So over all, its not that profitable, and its certainly not safe, but ARR SHIVER ME TIMBERS! I'll be damned if i ever leave it!
Time to set sail for another carebear system! YarrR!
That whole reply made me laugh pretty hard. One thing I can give most pirates is they can chat your fingers off when you're hiding in their system being camped. Most are honorable players. Other's aren't. But I've had some fun times just chating with them.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.04.15 00:16:00 -
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As for the bad language forwared to the origianl poster, either petition it if its too bad, or bee overly polite inn return. It's usally opens some people's eyes and makes them think twice about what their saying..
And you just have to laugh at people claiming their corp or alliance is going to pwn you with their 100 BS
Kill with a and die with a has grown too bee my moto
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Xandel Carivus
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Posted - 2004.04.15 04:09:00 -
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Whatever, griefer.
Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
What kind of n00b doesn't realiuse the pvp potential of the most damaging turret-based cruiser in the game?
So true, two of those little misshapen little crusiers can knock the sheilds off a sheild tanked raven or scorp. Or pretty much totally******any dumb **** with only long ranged guns and no tracking enhancers. /me huges tracking dampeners
Modal Neutrons + Thorax (lvl 5 gal crusier skill - 28 days to train) + tech II dmg mods + lvl 5 med hiybrid = hits for 350 - 400 dmg avg at crazy rof.
About double the dmg per minute that most bs piolts can put out.
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2004.04.15 04:52:00 -
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I think this conversation has for the most part ignored a third group of players. If it wasn't for this group I would have the utmost respect for humble pirates and mercs who are trying to make a living. But there is a reason we have Carebears, PvPers, and Griefers with a capital G.
I'm talking the people who abuse game mechanics wherever possible to get free stuff. Most corp thieves probably fall in this catagory. Ore thieves. Gate lockers. Exploiters. You all know the type.
Sometimes it's more of an attitude than an action. The type of player challenges you to a one on one match and then tries to ambush you. When the ambush fails, he logs off to save his ship.
I've been fairly ambushed by pirates before. Lost a blackbird in my newb days to a pirate who claimed to want to go mining with me. It was a cheap tactic but I knew the chance I was taking when I undocked and he got my ship fair and square. I'll still pod him if I see him on principle, but his type isn't the reason I'm a bounty hunter.
I think when a pirate gets an angry mail from a miner, hes getting the brunt of the anger they have for those players. Theres no telling who you're meeting in space, but chances are if you get ambushed by a pirate that's going to bring up the resevoir of all the crap you took from griefers in 1.0.
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Hail to PVP!
Dont worry about smak talk, worry when they fullfill their revenge promisses.
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Don't let me catch you flying around alone in your Thorax... What kind of noob flies a Thorax for PvP anyway?
dont let me catch you in your cave boring alt troll
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Eris Discordia
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Topic locked for flaming.
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