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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:53:00 -
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I for one welcome their return but would still like the radar thing to come back
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Siigari Kitawa
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Posted - 2008.03.13 05:58:00 -
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Wait, really? It's not in the patch notes. (Haven't logged in yet)
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Ask Unbeatable
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:10:00 -
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If this is true I will be a happy panda
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techzer0
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:26:00 -
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I for one dread the questions on comms "What tank should I fit for busting this mission" 
But it's nice if they're back  ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster 
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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 I for one dread the questions on comms "What tank should I fit for busting this mission" 
But it's nice if they're back 
[innuendo]I'll bust your missions [/innuendo]
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Ridley Tree
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:47:00 -
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mmm this is awesome news if its true. ____
Black Rabbits Recruitment |

Karyuudo Tydraad
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:52:00 -
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Yup, they're back and it's awesome.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:24:00 -
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Yes, wrecks are back on scan, as are cans. \o/
Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |

WeylandYutani
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:21:00 -
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It feels every bit as good as the first dump of the day... ahhh bliss.
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Stakhanov
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:26:00 -
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Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy <3
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked
I don't believe that a link to a RickRoll video constitutes proof, even in CAOD.
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Forando
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:42:00 -
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I'm quite certain I read in the patch notes a few days back, that wrecks from missions was now owned by the player who took the mission. But I can't find it in the notes now. I might have been dreaming or perhaps it was some last minute changes?
Anyway, the wrecks on scanner is nice having back! ^^
Enjoy, and fly safe..
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Belial Tempter
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:27:00 -
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Wooooooohoooo 
/me does a little jig 
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flashfresh
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:40:00 -
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Joy of joys!
Do the carebears know?
I hope not.....
Flashfresh
ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
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Mik kyo
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:12:00 -
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woop!
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Alz Shado
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Alz Shado on 13/03/2008 15:07:01 Not cool, from a purely financial perspective.
Paranoid mission runners popping their wrecks = less looting.
Less loot picked up = less sales to my gargantuan loot-eating machine.
My gargantuan loot-eating machine NEEDS MOAR LOOT. ------------------- "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand |

Cygnus Scott
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:15:00 -
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You realize this will only drive the few remaining mission runners who mission in low sec to the high sec systems right? You'll have a week or two of feasting on targets then as people a) find out about this change or b) get sick if losing their ships regularly they will lave and not come back leaving fewer targets than before and those are likely going to be newbies in T1 fits. The T2 & Faction fit older characters are going to keep to high sec resulting in more whines about moving L4s to low sec.
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Ki An
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Scott You realize this will only drive the few remaining mission runners who mission in low sec to the high sec systems right? You'll have a week or two of feasting on targets then as people a) find out about this change or b) get sick if losing their ships regularly they will lave and not come back leaving fewer targets than before and those are likely going to be newbies in T1 fits. The T2 & Faction fit older characters are going to keep to high sec resulting in more whines about moving L4s to low sec.
We realize that every time piracy gets a boost, however small, some carebear alt is gonna pop in here and tell us all that this will spell the end for low sec. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Cygnus Scott
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Cygnus Scott You realize this will only drive the few remaining mission runners who mission in low sec to the high sec systems right? You'll have a week or two of feasting on targets then as people a) find out about this change or b) get sick if losing their ships regularly they will lave and not come back leaving fewer targets than before and those are likely going to be newbies in T1 fits. The T2 & Faction fit older characters are going to keep to high sec resulting in more whines about moving L4s to low sec.
We realize that every time piracy gets a boost, however small, some carebear alt is gonna pop in here and tell us all that this will spell the end for low sec.
Boost? Piracy is pretty much easy street anyway, do you suck that bad you need a boost? I maen really how hard is it to sit at a gate and blow up people as they come through? Probing out mission runners is probably the most difficult part of it. Don't try the "I'm a pirate & I got it tough" whine on me, only stupid pirates believe the whole "risk vs. reward" thing to be true. Piracy is all about minimal risk for maximum reward.
Did I say it spelled the end? Nope, I just said its going to cause the mission runners who currently mission in low sec to move their base of operations to high sec since their risk just increased a lot without any increase to their rewards. This results in 2 things, less people in low sec and more people lagging out the high sec mission hubs. Less targets hurts pirates financially, more lag hurts the "carebears" so nobody wins.
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Krokus13
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:56:00 -
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LOL.....the fact that a pirate alt calls him a carebear doesnt change the fact that what he says is probably true. No one mentioned anything about the end but it will have an effect. We shall see.
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Ki An
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 13/03/2008 15:57:08
Originally by: Cygnus Scott
Boost? Piracy is pretty much easy street anyway, do you suck that bad you need a boost? I maen really how hard is it to sit at a gate and blow up people as they come through? Probing out mission runners is probably the most difficult part of it. Don't try the "I'm a pirate & I got it tough" whine on me, only stupid pirates believe the whole "risk vs. reward" thing to be true. Piracy is all about minimal risk for maximum reward.
Did I say it spelled the end? Nope, I just said its going to cause the mission runners who currently mission in low sec to move their base of operations to high sec since their risk just increased a lot without any increase to their rewards. This results in 2 things, less people in low sec and more people lagging out the high sec mission hubs. Less targets hurts pirates financially, more lag hurts the "carebears" so nobody wins.
Lawls 
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Ki An
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Krokus13 LOL.....the fact that a pirate alt calls him a carebear doesnt change the fact that what he says is probably true. No one mentioned anything about the end but it will have an effect. We shall see.
Is it Exclamation mark-day, or are all the noobs trying to get some attention?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Tchell Dahhn
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Scott This results in 2 things, less people in low sec and more people lagging out the high sec mission hubs. Less targets hurts pirates financially, more lag hurts the "carebears" so nobody wins.
As I mentioned in your thread, the 'lag' has been balanced by the fact that Secure Containers now die if they haven't been accessed in thirty days, so there ya go.
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Cygnus Scott
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Krokus13 LOL.....the fact that a pirate alt calls him a carebear doesnt change the fact that what he says is probably true. No one mentioned anything about the end but it will have an effect. We shall see.
Is it Exclamation mark-day, or are all the noobs trying to get some attention?
So I guess Alz Shado is a noob as well? Since he wrote:
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Not cool, from a purely financial perspective.
Paranoid mission runners popping their wrecks = less looting.
Less loot picked up = less sales to my gargantuan loot-eating machine.
My gargantuan loot-eating machine NEEDS MOAR LOOT.
Ki An since you cannot refute the logic of my arguments you have to resort to ad hominem replies? How sad.
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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:20:00 -
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Wrecks on scanner has changed nothing for you. Why?
Because mission running in lowsec only gets you about 200k more iskwise so just go to motsu and shut up about it.
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Ki An
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Scott
So I guess Alz Shado is a noob as well? Since he wrote:
Ki An since you cannot refute the logic of my arguments you have to resort to ad hominem replies? How sad.
No, you're the noob, 'cause you're an exclamation mark, and you don't have any grasp on game mechanics. We are discussing in that other thread. Here I'm just blowing you off, 'cause you don't know what you're talking about.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Cygnus Scott
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Cygnus Scott This results in 2 things, less people in low sec and more people lagging out the high sec mission hubs. Less targets hurts pirates financially, more lag hurts the "carebears" so nobody wins.
As I mentioned in your thread, the 'lag' has been balanced by the fact that Secure Containers now die if they haven't been accessed in thirty days, so there ya go.
It won't take 30 days for the move to happen, it will take maybe 2-3 weeks so the lag will still be there until the 30 day old cans are removed (if that even has an impact, it remains to be seen for higher traffic systems). Thus high sec gets more lag for a while, or maybe permanently, depending of the success of the removal of the secure cans. So if the lag is reduced in the high sec areas then it hurts the pirates even more cause mission runners won't have the lag to dissuade them from using the high sec agents.
Increasing the risk of low sec mission running while keeping the rewards the same is not good for pirates despite what the short sighted may believe.
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General Coochie
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 13/03/2008 16:29:35
Originally by: Cygnus Scott You realize this will only drive the few remaining mission runners who mission in low sec to the high sec systems right? You'll have a week or two of feasting on targets then as people a) find out about this change or b) get sick if losing their ships regularly they will lave and not come back leaving fewer targets than before and those are likely going to be newbies in T1 fits. The T2 & Faction fit older characters are going to keep to high sec resulting in more whines about moving L4s to low sec.
I never understood the fuzz about wrecks being gone or not, sure its nice seeing them belt pirating and probing to know how long the targets been there, might he soon warp out or did he just start with the rats.
It doesn't increase chances to find someone in anyway. And every serious mish running buster fields a setup that can take down almost any target, you don't need to know what he is tanking, he doesnt stand a chance anyway.
Quote: Increasing the risk of low sec mission running while keeping the rewards the same is not good for pirates despite what the short sighted may believe.
Risk isn't increased what so ever for your info. Scanning something doesn't mean you can probe it
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Suitonia
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:42:00 -
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Lol @ The carebear alt and all the 'omg piracy is too easy' etc.
It was a bug from Trinity. I filed a bug report back in November and it got attached to a defect and they finally fixed it. It wasn't really a 'boost' anyway, just fixing it back to the way it was. I think it hurt empire can flippers more than actual piracy anyway. At least I can estimate how far through someone is in a mission while I probe them, so I don't end up wasting my time travelling 70km through a mission to find a raven just finishing up. \o/ --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots... |

AizenSousuke
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Scott
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Cygnus Scott You realize this will only drive the few remaining mission runners who mission in low sec to the high sec systems right? You'll have a week or two of feasting on targets then as people a) find out about this change or b) get sick if losing their ships regularly they will lave and not come back leaving fewer targets than before and those are likely going to be newbies in T1 fits. The T2 & Faction fit older characters are going to keep to high sec resulting in more whines about moving L4s to low sec.
We realize that every time piracy gets a boost, however small, some carebear alt is gonna pop in here and tell us all that this will spell the end for low sec.
Boost? Piracy is pretty much easy street anyway, do you suck that bad you need a boost? I maen really how hard is it to sit at a gate and blow up people as they come through? Probing out mission runners is probably the most difficult part of it. Don't try the "I'm a pirate & I got it tough" whine on me, only stupid pirates believe the whole "risk vs. reward" thing to be true. Piracy is all about minimal risk for maximum reward.
Did I say it spelled the end? Nope, I just said its going to cause the mission runners who currently mission in low sec to move their base of operations to high sec since their risk just increased a lot without any increase to their rewards. This results in 2 things, less people in low sec and more people lagging out the high sec mission hubs. Less targets hurts pirates financially, more lag hurts the "carebears" so nobody wins.
Aww.. How cute! He thinks piracy is easy street. Give it a try, hotshot. 
-------------------------------------------------- "With hard work and focus ye shall achieve." |

Cygnus Scott
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: AizenSousuke
Originally by: Cygnus Scott
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Cygnus Scott You realize this will only drive the few remaining mission runners who mission in low sec to the high sec systems right? You'll have a week or two of feasting on targets then as people a) find out about this change or b) get sick if losing their ships regularly they will lave and not come back leaving fewer targets than before and those are likely going to be newbies in T1 fits. The T2 & Faction fit older characters are going to keep to high sec resulting in more whines about moving L4s to low sec.
We realize that every time piracy gets a boost, however small, some carebear alt is gonna pop in here and tell us all that this will spell the end for low sec.
Boost? Piracy is pretty much easy street anyway, do you suck that bad you need a boost? I maen really how hard is it to sit at a gate and blow up people as they come through? Probing out mission runners is probably the most difficult part of it. Don't try the "I'm a pirate & I got it tough" whine on me, only stupid pirates believe the whole "risk vs. reward" thing to be true. Piracy is all about minimal risk for maximum reward.
Did I say it spelled the end? Nope, I just said its going to cause the mission runners who currently mission in low sec to move their base of operations to high sec since their risk just increased a lot without any increase to their rewards. This results in 2 things, less people in low sec and more people lagging out the high sec mission hubs. Less targets hurts pirates financially, more lag hurts the "carebears" so nobody wins.
Aww.. How cute! He thinks piracy is easy street. Give it a try, hotshot. 
I'll be sure to link this thread when your tears are flooding the forums in posts that cry about low sec being empty, moving L4 missions to low sec, or getting rid of profitable ore in highsec because you don't have enough targets. The biggest challenge of piracy often is finding someone to gank.
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