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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:20:00 -
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You cry and complain about wanting to grow the FW community and then when a corp decides to take the plunge you call them spies and ostracize them.
How in the bloody ******* hell does this make any goddamn sense at all?
Jesus Christ, is it any ******* wonder most of the Minmatar Militia do little more than ***** FW missions? (The other militias probably do the same too, IDK)
TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).
If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have enlisted my corp, ****, I may still just pull up stakes and move us to 0.0 for ***** and giggles.
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:23:00 -
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...and people wonder why SWA instructors advise against joining the militia.
-Vix |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
413
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:25:00 -
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Bit hard to judge coming from an alt.
Post with your main.
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:28:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Bit hard to judge coming from an alt.
Post with your main.
I sold my first main, this character is next in SP progression so... does this make it my second main?
-Vix |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
81
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:32:00 -
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You look like a spy to me. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:33:00 -
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Ocih wrote:You look like a spy to me.
1/10
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
16
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:44:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:You cry and complain about wanting to grow the FW community and then when a corp decides to take the plunge you call them spies and ostracize them.
How in the bloody ******* hell does this make any goddamn sense at all?
Jesus Christ, is it any ******* wonder most of the Minmatar Militia do little more than ***** FW missions? (The other militias probably do the same too, IDK)
TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).
If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have enlisted my corp, ****, I may still just pull up stakes and move us to 0.0 for ***** and giggles.
Only a spy would compile these kinds of force distribution numbers  |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
22
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:47:00 -
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That's a lot of sweeping statements. To respond in kind.
You need an appropriate killboard.
You need more patience.
You need better diplo.
If you want real answers you might want to start with naming the corporation in question.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
27
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:01:00 -
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Who cried about wanting to grow the community .. we old timers certainly haven't.
The only 'crying' has been to make FW better/more worthwhile/less farmville .. doing that and numbers may grow, but it is a side-effect and not the purpose.
By the way, your numbers are kind of borked .. 90% of the militias are farmers, 50% of the remainder are active in warzones and we are a paranoid bunch (cliqued up) and the last 5% are spies, blob-monkeys (ie. never fleet unless its a romp) and weekend-warriors/casuals. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
744
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:02:00 -
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Using an alt to complain about people calling you an alt probably isn't the best way to convince them that you're not an alt.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:02:00 -
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Destru Kaneda wrote:That's a lot of sweeping statements. To respond in kind.
You need an appropriate killboard.
You need more patience.
You need better diplo.
If you want real answers you might want to start with naming the corporation in question.
How may I ask does a reforming 'bear have an "appropriate" killboard?
What, do you mean evidence of being ganked? (check)
Or do you mean "long and extensive history of PVP"? Um, we joined the militia to learn PVP but we can't play on the Pee Vee Pee playground without a long and extensive history of Pee Vee Pee? o.0
Can't get into any decent fleets without evidence of being an active PVPer? So what am I supposed to go out and roam alone and get wtfpwned by the many hotpockets (or better yet, that ****-for-brains Adolf??) due to my lack of knowledge about PVP?
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
143
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:10:00 -
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Its open to the general ever public with an NPC corp option.
Do you REALLY think corperations who are serious about fw would let any tom **** and harry off the street and trust them?
Get real.
Get some kills and do some things yourselves, respect is earned not applied for. |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:17:00 -
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Let me spell it out for you. Unless you provide us your real main and corp name your accusations of FW being flawed is simply a baseless rant. Being accused of a spy is the most common accusation that if your not use to that by now then really go back to empire and minimize local whilst you run your incursions or missons. You need thick skin, good fittings and a decent K/D ratio to beat that spy rap.
However let me save you some time. Posting here complaining about FW will get you little sympathy regardless so don't bother telling us who you are. Nobody cares because either you can stomach FW or you can't. CCP can't control other players attitudes so the spy complaint is of little use to them.
But in future, your street cred is who you are and what you've done lately. Killboard, corp / gang achievements and using your smarts will earn you the right to come here and whine. Otherwise your just another guy with another post.
But I do like your idea of moving your corp to 0.0. That is the smartest thing you said so far. I guarantee if your corp is really into PVP you will enjoy yourself.
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:23:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Its open to the general ever public with an NPC corp option.
Do you REALLY think corperations who are serious about fw would let any tom **** and harry off the street and trust them?
Get real.
Get some kills and do some things yourselves, respect is earned not applied for.
Wow, this right here is exactly what I am talking about, I think I'd rather deal with the bullshit in 0.0 than this ****. I'm not asking for a handout, I'm asking for a chance to actually earn some respect while learning how to do things involved in PVP.
FW it's SRS BSNS, cause Occupying a system actually DOES something, it's not a bunch of pirates and kids running around looking to display their e-peen on a killboard, no, not at all.
Also, so you know, I didn't bring myself I also brought my corp, the members of my corp that have decided to pursue the FW facet rather than the industrial facet we have in place have received the same treatment I have.
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:26:00 -
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You want to be taken seriously? Id say your odds are 50/50 and only a 10% chance of that.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
143
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:28:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Its open to the general ever public with an NPC corp option.
Do you REALLY think corperations who are serious about fw would let any tom **** and harry off the street and trust them?
Get real.
Get some kills and do some things yourselves, respect is earned not applied for. Wow, this right here is exactly what I am talking about, I think I'd rather deal with the bullshit in 0.0 than this ****. I'm not asking for a handout, I'm asking for a chance to actually earn some respect while learning how to do things involved in PVP.
You are not asking for a handout, you are asking for a chance to earn respect.
Well go out and get it, if you cant do **** by youselves who the **** would want to help you out anyways?
Your argument as a new guy to an old game (figurativly speaking) is flawed because you think you desirve special treatment as a corp instead of an indevidual and you are deluded.
Heck i hate fw im a 0.0 bear and i dont care, this advice is free and all you will get from FW until you proive you are not another high sec/0.0 drop out bear looking for a quick buck and or a spy.
tough ****, sir.
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Plyn
Random Jedi Industries
KRYSIS.
18
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:36:00 -
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People aren't just going to take you seriously out of the box.
You brought your corp, take them out on some roams. When you float your six man gang past a friendly camp they will notice that you aren't just farming LP, and spies don't really lead groups around like that. When people start to see you guys running around they will recognize that you are for cereal.
The KB suggestion isn't a bad one. It isn't to show off your 'leet' pvp skills, it's to show that you are an active member of the fight. Granted, most fleets will prefer people with a nicer kill spread, but if you were a spy you wouldn't be losing that many ships either.
You need, above all, Face Time. That means you are going to have to take the initiative. You'll have to be the FC. Your corp will have to operate solo for a little. I can tell you, though, that once people start seeing you participating they will start working with you.
Come2Nullsec |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:36:00 -
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You are in caldari the worse faction you could be in and that's the truth |
Nortel
The Imperial Fedaykin
1
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:46:00 -
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I almost fell off my chair reading this. OP gets 8.6/10 for :rage: authenticity. |
Ryder 3vyn
State Navy
8
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:50:00 -
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OP is a coward for not going out and PvPing in the first plance and instead whining about how the established corps won't let him join them... dude, grow a pair of balls and go solo or something, Jesus, it's not that hard to kill an enemy tackler and warp away...
I mean why would a hardcore, dedicated, extremely active militia corp let you join? They have absolutely no knowledge about your playstyle and they want people who are going to be as dedicated to the fight as they are, they don't want to let someone join who is going to die once and give up. They want someone like them, not some gung-ho kid with no experience.
If you don't like the "clique" why do you want to join them? |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
49
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:00:00 -
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The only time I ever jump in low sec is to wait for a null-sec gate camp to move on or if I'm just passing through.
All faction warfare seems to have brought is an easy way to organize pirate gangs. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
145
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:03:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:
All faction warfare seems to have brought is an easy way to organize pirate gangs.
This is born from a nessesity of defence FROM roaming low sec/0.0 and pirate gangs.
That neutral drake might be passing through, or he might call in his buddys after agressing somone - militia have learnt to kill first somtimes.
dont blame FW techniques and adapting with just living in low sec |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:04:00 -
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Ryder 3vyn wrote:OP is a coward for not going out and PvPing in the first plance and instead whining about how the established corps won't let him join them... dude, grow a pair of balls and go solo or something, Jesus, it's not that hard to kill an enemy tackler and warp away...
I mean why would a hardcore, dedicated, extremely active militia corp let you join? They have absolutely no knowledge about your playstyle and they want people who are going to be as dedicated to the fight as they are, they don't want to let someone join who is going to die once and give up. They want someone like them, not some gung-ho kid with no experience.
If you don't like the "clique" why do you want to join them?
Allow me to spell this out for you
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D O
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W A N T
T O
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W A R F A R E
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A L O N G
O N
R O A M S
T O
L E A R N
T H E
R O P E S
A S
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H A V E
H A D
V E R Y
V E R Y
L I T T L E
P V P
E X P E R I E N C E
O U T S I D E
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G A N K E D
(W H I C H
B T W
I S N ' T
P V P)
Now tell me to take my corp along and I'll reply that we are pretty much all in the same boat, we come from carebear roots and are looking to "HTFU" without being asshat pirates.
We joined FW since we thought that it would be the more welcoming option between FW and 0.0, I guess we were wrong.
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:09:00 -
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EDIT: How did I end up posting in the wrong thread...? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
145
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:14:00 -
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raging doesnt help.
ever. |
Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:20:00 -
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Confirming the rest of Eve corps are not cliques either.  |
Kiss me quickly
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:30:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).
Your percentages are a little off, but other than that I fully agree with this.
In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations.
People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.
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Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
8
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:55:00 -
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If u can't get into a decent FW corp, then maybe u shouldn't be there just yet. Nobody wants mr nooby pants asking wat a "point" is every 10seconds when there's a target to kill.
best advise I can give, is join a small nullsec corp. There's lot of decent places you can be at 2mil SP mark. Then you'll be swept up into a coalition w/o knowing, or something similar. Then you'll profit gradually, earning respect and experience, with a nice dollop of kills along the way.
Then ofc there is the facepalm of problem that is this thread. Which you'd have to beg CCP to remove. I for example always check people's posts, just to make sure they aren't some crack addled maniac, with broom up their arse...
..but this is an alt, so prolly a wise move. I always think if i'm posting on an alt, maybe I shouldn't be posting at all...... 
Nobody said eve was easy. |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
73
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:50:00 -
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In EVE, everyone is a spy, doesn't matter what type of gameplay you are into, you're still a spy, even if your not lol |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
138
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:06:00 -
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Oh my. This thread gave me lolz. OP needs to get some balls and just go learn to solo some fights without waiting on other people for handouts
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
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