Bit hard to judge coming from an alt.

Post with your main.

You look like a spy to me.

You cry and complain about wanting to grow the FW community and then when a corp decides to take the plunge you call them spies and ostracize them.

How in the bloody ******* hell does this make any goddamn sense at all?

Jesus Christ, is it any ******* wonder most of the Minmatar Militia do little more than ***** FW missions? (The other militias probably do the same too, IDK)

TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).

If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have enlisted my corp, ****, I may still just pull up stakes and move us to 0.0 for ***** and giggles.

That's a lot of sweeping statements. To respond in kind.

You need an appropriate killboard.
You need more patience.
You need better diplo.

If you want real answers you might want to start with naming the corporation in question.

Its open to the general ever public with an NPC corp option.

Do you REALLY think corperations who are serious about fw would let any tom **** and harry off the street and trust them?

Get real.

Get some kills and do some things yourselves, respect is earned not applied for.

Wow, this right here is exactly what I am talking about, I think I'd rather deal with the bullshit in 0.0 than this ****. I'm not asking for a handout, I'm asking for a chance to actually earn some respect while learning how to do things involved in PVP.

All faction warfare seems to have brought is an easy way to organize pirate gangs.

OP is a coward for not going out and PvPing in the first plance and instead whining about how the established corps won't let him join them... dude, grow a pair of balls and go solo or something, Jesus, it's not that hard to kill an enemy tackler and warp away...

I mean why would a hardcore, dedicated, extremely active militia corp let you join? They have absolutely no knowledge about your playstyle and they want people who are going to be as dedicated to the fight as they are, they don't want to let someone join who is going to die once and give up. They want someone like them, not some gung-ho kid with no experience.

If you don't like the "clique" why do you want to join them?

TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).

Now tell me to take my corp along and I'll reply that we are pretty much all in the same boat, we come from carebear roots and are looking to "HTFU" without being asshat pirates.

You cry and complain about wanting to grow the FW community and then when a corp decides to take the plunge you call them spies and ostracize them.

How in the bloody ******* hell does this make any goddamn sense at all?

Jesus Christ, is it any ******* wonder most of the Minmatar Militia do little more than ***** FW missions? (The other militias probably do the same too, IDK)

TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).

If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have enlisted my corp, ****, I may still just pull up stakes and move us to 0.0 for ***** and giggles.

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In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations.
People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.

Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.

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To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce."

I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us.

no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have.

The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia.

I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two (got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet.

I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in.

I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members

OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you.

Hint: It's a lot

you could always man up and ship down like we tell you to in local everyday of our eve life. we say man up, ship down, not ship up man down. get it straight

Good attitude. Red head. And fights to free slaves. Will you go out with me? I'm a Gallente lesbian

Sometimes shipping up works too, but you are right. If you know exactly what your enemy is flying, why would you ever ship up to something that has no hope of killing them ever?

There are way too many people who put all their faith in their ship's ISK worth, or in an ~awesomefit~ or a ~solopwnmobile~. And yet, I can't decide if Eve would be more or less fun if people started to actually think about what they're flying. Food for thought, I suppose.

it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario

"I might die" is a scary concept for most people. How are you supposed to maintain KB efficiency without flying a mega-boosted faction ship? Or being in a Dreak blob?

Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.

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huh?

Also confirming, I am not one of his alts...

I'm not falling for that one.

"o my god i lost a 50mil ship my efficiency is ruined!!! ill only fly in the blob from now on and run away from ANYTHING that even has the slightest chance of killing me"

The whole "isk efficiency" rating is one of the worst statistics in eve that has discouraged good fights.

Anyway how is it calculated?

Makes perfect sense that you can know for sure that something is a bad idea, but not have a clue to how it works.

The whole "isk efficiency" rating is one of the worst statistics in eve that has discouraged good fights.

Anyway how is it calculated?

If you kill a 200 million isk battleship with 20 other players do you each get 10 million isk added to what you have killed?

Or do they base it on the amount of damage you have done? So if you did half the damage you would have 100 million isk and the other 19 would divide the other 100 million based on their damage?

I'm not an idiot that's gonna suicide BCs into blobs for the space honor.

Nope. I wrote a rage thread on this a while back and why EDK and its dumb way of calculating ISK efficiency is killing PvP in Eve (at least, PvP by people who want to max out KB numbers).

If 20 players in 50 mil ISK ships each (BCs) kill a 200 mil ISK ship, but lose 5 battlecruisers in the fight, everyone's efficiency goes up. Everybody on the kill gets the full value of the killmail. That means that each of the 20 blobbing BCs get +200 mil, - 50 mil, while the 200 mil ISK ship gets +250 mil -200 mil. E: the corp killboard is a tad more balanced, as it gets +200 mil -250 mil, but that is based on the precondition that all 20 people are in the same corp.

In instances like this, KB efficiency practically encourages blobbing. Strictly speaking, scaling efficiency by damage dealt is unfair as it disadvantages tacklers and EWAR. Giving everyone the same value promotes killwhores. Divinding the value too much discourages flying in a gang. The "point" system is also broken, as a Taranis killing a Rifter gives you the same points as a Taranis killing a Daredevil, but those are very different fights. There is no good way to "solve" this.

The best way I've found is to berate and laugh at anyone who seriously uses broken KB stats to prove their "leetness".

Sorry I didn't mean to derail the thread from crying about faction war.