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Helliena
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:44:00 -
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This was announced in the FA meeting today and them meeting was over. Need input on what you guys want to do
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Good Evening.
There comes a time in every alliance where changes need to be made, and such a time has come. If we reflect back around 10 weeks ago now we will remember the war with FE and m00 in Fountain and the promises that were made there in trying to realign and reform Fountain in order to meet other potential problems head-on in the future. Yet what we see here today is an alliance mired in bureaucracy, inactivity and effectiveness when it comes to decisions. I am sure all of you here are aware of how unproductive the last 4 weeks have been in terms of actually making decisions for the benefit of the alliance, the very fact that at times we have been voting on whether we should even have a vote is completely and utterly absurd. This ability to not even make decisions for the future of the alliance at a time when there are multitudes of hostiles growing and expanding around Eve simply puts every single member of this alliance at risk. We are here to provide mutual security and as such effective decisions that allow us to maintain said security and hence the productiveness of those corporations that make up the alliance. Fountain has led the way from the beginning in providing far reaching ideals of how low security eve space can be tamed to our liking and we have indeed beaten off all those that would try to change this. Now however the change is coming from the insideà we have seen constant bickering against certain member corporations, constant inactivity and inability to provide support by others and even in the last week ex-members of the FA attacking member corporations in the FA and present members of the FA hiring outside pirate corps to attack their fellow members. The situation is absurd, the past 7 months of building has been jeopardised and so it will change, and it will change now.
How you deal with the following information is up to you, there will be no æwhyÆsÆ and no æbutsÆ and there will be no alternatives, its happening and all of you have a very important decision to make which will indeed have far reaching effects into how you operate from now on. So think wisely about your future and how you want to progress in eve.
Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you a Coup DÆetat.
The Following Corporations present a re-founded and re-paired Fountain Alliance to you.
4s
BIG
CoV
DE
Evem
FinFleet
Hirr
SSC
Xanadu
The Running and maintenance of the Alliance will be much the same but the membership of the corporations will be carefully maintained and managed to make sure that all corporations pull their weight for the better of the Alliance rather than for just themselves. You can find the structure of the FA here:
http://xanaducorp.net/sfh.php?f=0fca4faef9...20structure.jpg
Unlucky:
The following corporations listed below are those corporations that we deem unfit to partake in the Fountain Alliance as its members.
HVI/HHI
CORM
LRZ
TPH
HVI/HHI will be given no grace period to leave the Fountain area, your hiring of a pirate corporation to attack an FA corporation is against everything that the FA was setup to do, and yes we have the proof of this transaction between your very own leadership.
CORM / LRZ / TPH will be given a 30 minute grace period from the conclusion of this statement. If you decide that you do not wish to stand up to this change you may freely request a parlay and we shall provide you with a time in the following week to clear out your hangars of your minerals and items so that you may leave fountain. You will have 30 minutes to provide such a request from the conclusion of this statement.
Present Trial Members
The following corporations will be given the benefit of the doubt as they are new members to the FA and find themselves caught up in this mess. I will remind you that you are still under trial membership and unlike previous membership acceptances we will actually be looking for corps who provide and continually take part rather than just half-heartedly turn up when it suits them.
ACD
JAZZ
Neutrals and Undecided:
Any corporations that are not listed will be deemed as neutrals at this stage. You are in the position to make up your own mind as to what stance you shall take. I will point out that it is intrinsically important for you to make us aware of your decision within 1 hour of this statements end. If you fail to give us a decision by then you will be deemed as outsiders and therefore treated as such. There are essentially three options available to you at this stage; you must choose one of them.
Stars stretching forum removed - Wrangler |
Helliena
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:44:00 -
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1. You disagree with the re-formation of the Fountain Alliance. You believe that the last 4-6 weeks have been beneficial to Fountain as a whole and that progress has been made in dealing with appropriate threats. As a result you decide to make a military stand to protect your beliefs. At this stage I offer you the opportunity to peruse the in game map with the ôpilots in spaceö option on and decide at which large red blob you wish to stake your beliefs at, they are waiting for your appearance.
2. You understand that the FA needs to change in this ever changing and hostile environment. You welcome this change and wish to be a part of the re-paired FA. You realise that not only is it the way forward but that it is what the FA was supposed to be in the first place and that you want to be a part of this soon to be democratic entity. As such, you will Message in IRC within, 1 hour of reading thing this, Grim, Sastul or Tornsoul to state your interest. Your ôapplicationö will be perused and an answer given on Sunday/Monday. In the mean time you will have ZERO presence in fountain with all members staying outside its borders or safely tucked in a station within 30 minutes of this statement. Be warned that all ships flying within FA space within 30 minutes of this statement will be considered targets regardless of your choice at this stage û it is essential you understand this. Breaking this fundamental rule will effect your application. You understand that your application may still be rejected or another offer given as deemed by the re-founding parties.
3. You decide to leave the Fountain area and alliance peacefully. You decide Fountain is no longer a place you want to operate in for whatever reason. I will however point out that this will be at a time of our choosingà. in as much as we shall give you a time window in which to leave with all your items/minerals etc and an escort from our side, in peace and safety. We wish you well if you should choose this route. Again if you decide to leave the Fountain area then we also need to be informed within the hour, if you do not move within our agreed time then we cannot vouch for your safety and I will make it clear that this time window will not occur till next week, it will certainly not occur this weekend. One alternative on this option that you may request is the ability to mine/hunt freely in the Delve and period Basis region. Naturally through the reforming of the FA, the rules for the maintenance of Delve and Period will fall under our control but they will be relaxed and simple and opportune for corps leaving the FA to work in without quibble.
One must point out to the above corporations that if any hostilities are undertaken by a member or members of your corp on the re-founding parties then you will be assumed to be hostile and treated as such.
Points to Note:
ò All FA Passports are closed for the foreseeable future.
ò All neutral corps that choose option 2 or 3 will be eligible for Fountain passes in the future, whatever their outcome. All corps that fall into option 1 will not.
ò A Timetable of windows for specific corps to remove their gear from fountain will be available by tomorrow.
ò The first meeting of the FA will take place on Saturday 17th at 19.00 GMT.
ò As per the proposed structure, the FA will be a democratic alliance with a democratically elected leadership comprised of all member corps and not necessarily those proposing this change.
Grim
Xanadu CEO
On Behalf of the FA.
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"I'm not unfeeling, i'm just uncaring. The difference between them is that i might feel bad at some point, but i just don't care." |
Grim Seeker
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:47:00 -
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"One alternative on this option that you may request is the ability to mine/hunt freely in the Delve and period Basis region. Naturally through the reforming of the FA, the rules for the maintenance of Delve and Period will fall under our control but they will be relaxed and simple and opportune for corps leaving the FA to work in without quibble."
So Delve belongs to FA now? |
Garvan
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:55:00 -
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While politics are what make this game great they also often let the emotions and feelings rise, so please try to keep it civil, we'll be watching.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 10/04/2004 19:59:17
 
(sig says it all)
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
NoTme
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:08:00 -
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Some of the corps who have been evicted from FA hereby request any and all PC Pirates come and help smash Xanadu and their cronies forever.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:20:00 -
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 Quote:
"One alternative on this option that you may request is the ability to mine/hunt freely in the Delve and period Basis region. Naturally through the reforming of the FA, the rules for the maintenance of Delve and Period will fall under our control but they will be relaxed and simple and opportune for corps leaving the FA to work in without quibble."
So Delve belongs to FA now?
FA has never claimed exlusive 'ownership' of Delve and Period Basis, however FA has maintained a military presence there to fight off hostile entities. The two regions are otherwise subject to CFS policies, meaning they are open to all that are on friendly or neutral terms with CFS or FA.
As can be clearly gathered from the statement above, the reformed FA will not consider eventual former FA corps settling in CFS space as hostile. Except of course, the four corporations on the 'unlucky' shortlist who are subject to special consideration.
Untill an eventual, more specific statement on the matter,
storeslem, fa peon.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:21:00 -
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sound like you are going to have alot of fun the following week :)
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Monclair
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:30:00 -
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Any chance I can get a partial refund on my FA Pass?? After all these events were not forseeable nor in my control.
I will be packing my stuff and heading out as soon as I can get the time to do it. Anyways, Hope things work out for FA..
Good Day, I did enjoy my stay and was impressed on how things worked up there. Hope to see you all again at a later date.
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FunGuy
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:39:00 -
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To get refunds on any passports which still have time remaining on them, please send a mail to "BIG CEO" detailing the time you are claiming for and your passport number if you have it. It may take a day or two till your claim can be processed, he is slightly busy atm.
FunGuy
Proud to be Xanadu
Xanadu T2 BP's
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:47:00 -
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Sounds interesting
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:59:00 -
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So that is why FA is lightning up like an x-mas tree.
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MaryTyler Moore
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Posted - 2004.04.10 20:59:00 -
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On another note. It is rumored Evolution has been hired to help kill those former FA members trapped in Fountain. It is a known fact now that Xanadu has hit squads flying inside Fountain killing their former allies. Clearly Xanadu has gone to far.
Witness the birth of a new Fountain Alliance.....or should we call it Back Stabbers Alliance? |
NoTme
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:00:00 -
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Notice Evol who Xanadu have had to bribe to do their dirty work are replying for Xanadu here. Although not stated, it looks like Evol will be joining FA from now on, they are blockading a system in the middle of Fountain with 15 battleships.
I repeat the call to all who have a grievance against xanadu or Evol for whatever reason come join the forces who will be attacking FA from the inside, and help us crush Xanadu forever.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:04:00 -
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As of right now, they are killing every corp that has not aligned with them in the HOUR that they gave them. EVERY CORP THAT HAS BLED THEIR FLEETS DRY DEFENDING FA FROM EVERY INCURSION.
I find this completely atrocious and the atrocities and genocidal acts now being commited by the New Fountain are against every possible moral and law the FA constitution was made up of. Coud De Tat my arse, its a bloodbath up there now against their own former brothers in arms.
Mentioned in the statement is an accusation that HVI attempted to hire pirates to attack Xanadu. The funny thing is its the other way around, and good old Xanadu knows how to twist words around and use them as daggers to stab anyone in the back as they see fit. Steeldragon(CEO of HVI) jokingly said it to the pirate corp(Deadwieght)that Xanadu hired thats been attacking HVI for the past 2 weeks. Now Xanadu seems to think everyone is going to beleive that conversation as absolute fact.
Rev0lution is comprised of many former FA military pilots that have come to hate the high council of FA due to their lies and strongarmed ways. Last night we took a force into the very heart of fountain and had the largest fleet battle since the FE/m00 incursion. Even though Rev0l was highly outnumbered those 12 courageous pilots(including myself) destroyed 24 ships of the enemy, including 3 battleships, 9 cruisers, and countless frigates. Trust me, this won't be our last incursion into space, considering now we have the targets we want to destroy up there, and now the corps that are friendly to us are out of harm's way.
Are the rest of you FA corps going to stand up to this? Or are you going to stand up for whats right?
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What Aerick has been up to lately.. |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:04:00 -
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Notice Evol who Xanadu have had to bribe to do their dirty work are replying for Xanadu here. Although not stated, it looks like Evol will be joining FA from now on, they are blockading a system in the middle of Fountain with 15 battleships.
I repeat the call to all who have a grievance against xanadu or Evol for whatever reason come join the forces who will be attacking FA from the inside, and help us crush Xanadu forever.
Post with your main and people will in general take what you say into account. Alts are disregarded immidiatly.
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Homo Habilis
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:06:00 -
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YES, YES, COME SAVE THE ALTS, THE ALTS NEED TO BE SAVED.
in other news, aka reality, I'll leave out the words and phrases "rumored", "It is a known fact", and "Clearly" that some titmice like to use, and just give some simple facts.
Evol is not hired, nor is Evol in the FA.
noTime asks that all newbie pirate corps please go to Empire Space, Amarr territory asap and help the Imperial Academy assist him in his fight vs 2000 isk gate camping pirates.
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Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:07:00 -
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The rumours of XAN flying around and killing former allies are grossly innacurate. In reality we are waiting at gates and allowing those who have decided to leave peacefully leave: CoRM, LRC. The reason we are at the gates is that there are a few corporations that have acted against the FA and we are on the lookout for them. Simply explanation.
If you insist on joining in on the scapegoating and villifying of Xanadu, then "enjoy the fog", as a friend of mine said, "because all you're doing is confusing reality". It is merely a restructuring that involves a small number of corporations leaving.
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:08:00 -
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Quote:
Rev0lution is comprised of many former FA military pilots that have come to hate the high council of FA due to their lies and strongarmed ways. Last night we took a force into the very heart of fountain and had the largest fleet battle since the FE/m00 incursion. Even though Rev0l was highly outnumbered those 12 courageous pilots(including myself) destroyed 24 ships of the enemy, including 3 battleships, 9 cruisers, and countless frigates. Trust me, this won't be our last incursion into space, considering now we have the targets we want to destroy up there, and now the corps that are friendly to us are out of harm's way.
Half of the defending force was made up of frigates. You had 2-4 more BSs and the BS losses on both sides were roughly equal or within 1 (in your favor). In any case, however, you chose a time to attack when you knew none of the large FA corps would be on line. This, while smart, really reduces the impact of your action. Indeed the net result is largely meaningless.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:10:00 -
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Anyway, that attack is largely irrelevant in the context of this post.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:16:00 -
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you honestly think the neutral corps are going to stand for this kind of bullying?
There was a constitution for a reason, now Xanadu has shed their sheeps clothing. If the FA constitution doesn't suit Xanadu's directive, they arbitrarily change it, and think everyone will roll over. The rest of the corps that have joined Xanadu are just stooges that they need to keep Fountain defended, which they already have shown do a crappy job at.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:21:00 -
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You do realize that Xanadu doesnt even comprise a majority of the personel right?
There were serious issues and they are being dealt with in a firm, fair, and above all decisive manner.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Nephilim Xeno
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:21:00 -
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well i just got the reports of "old FA" corps getting shot by evol in fountain so to say that there is no evol in FA might be a bit inaccurate
the reasony why CorM/LRC got kicked from FA is in my option mainly that Evol does not like them. Before Evol left FA they podkilled a CorM member for really rediculous reasons.
I Think evol realized that they cannot beat CA even if they ally with moo so they need more cannon fodder. Thats why they back up this new FA to use them for their cause like in the past.
Well Happy Birthday new FA maybe this be your first and last Birthday ;)
And not to forget i just speak for myself and not for my Corp so if you want to declare war then tell me first and i will set up a new corp with only me as member ;)
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Homo Habilis
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Homo Habilis on 10/04/2004 21:28:41
nephilim xeno when I said Evol was not in the FA, I was correct.
There are Evol pilots in Fountain region atm, though.
you should quit worrying about evolution and worry about yourself. no one controls us, and we don't control FA.
your uneducated statements concerning CA are reason enough to dislike you.
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:34:00 -
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Just a Question 2 FA where is Carbide in that list!?
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Nephilim Xeno
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:36:00 -
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but can you explain me why evol membmers are in fountain shooting at all non xan aligned corps ? :)
because the old FA did not agree with free passes for evol ? :)
because the old FA did not attack CA as much as you wanted them too ?
because you know some corps will move out valuable assets from fountain and you want their loot ?
or just because xan paid your for ?
or even maybe all of the above ? ;) who knows ...
not to forget that serval of the new FA corps were sponsored into FA by Xan recently.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:37:00 -
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XAN cant handle everyone standing up for themselves, so they go on and restructure FA for themselves. Looks like everyone will be coming in to try to make FA their home now
Nice try XAN, you just ****ed more people off and made my job alot easier.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Riddari on 10/04/2004 21:41:17
Poor show.
Does the "high council" of "new" FA really think that strongarm tactics, such as putting some corporations on KOS and others on dock or be killed stance, are in the spirit they claim?
You don't stab people in the back or tell them to hit the floor and call that to be something to be envious of.
As for HHI/HVI then it was indeed the other way around, as far as I know Xanadu hired Dead Wieght (sic) to attack HHI/HVI operations in Empire space.
FA was a democracy. Clearly that time is over.
You can not play your way out of this "new" stuff with any political argument except for "might makes right". That is not the defition of democracy. Shame on the conduct of the "new" FA leadership for the poor handling of this matter.
This is what I think as a former member of the Fountain Alliance since the day that XAN/EVOL strongarmed their way into the area last year. History repeats itself.
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Nathan Voughn
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:40:00 -
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Nephilim your corp decided to leave FA peacefully, your pilots were not harmed. So kindly quit talking crap.
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NoTme
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Posted - 2004.04.10 21:44:00 -
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Evol have podded at least 2 ships while they were trying to dock as they were told to.
The reason I am writing as an alt is not even the ceo of my main chars corp knows this alt and his corp has re-applyd to be members of the new FA and I don't want to spoil that for my mains corp.
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