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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.11 09:51:00 -
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I'm thinking of upgrading my graphics card - I'm currently running an ATI Radeon Pro 9800 bu wish to upgrade to a Sapphire Radeon 9800XT 256MB.
Does anyone have any experience of this card and any technical issues with Eve?
Don't want to waste ú256 on a card that won't work on my fave game.
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Arcturius II
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Posted - 2004.04.11 10:13:00 -
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TBH, you have more money than sense.
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Amrone
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Posted - 2004.04.11 10:14:00 -
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Yes it works with eve :D friend uses one with eve so pretty sure it does.
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StaticW
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Posted - 2004.04.11 10:24:00 -
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Hm, you wouldn't donate me your 'outdated' card, would you? ;-)
Personally I doubt you will get any noticeble benefits from upgading, but then.. let us know !
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.04.11 10:25:00 -
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i use 9700 and my graphic seems "spikey" think i need a new card too :-/
w00t!
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Tobias Raddick
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Posted - 2004.04.11 11:13:00 -
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The only problem I've seen with any ATi card and the Eve client is an issue of warp tunnel 'resetting'. You'll be warping along, and instead of the warp tunnel moving smoothly, it'll be fine for about 10 seconds, pause briefly, then start up again.
As for the card, Sapphire are nice, but if I was choosing I'd go with the HIS 9800xt.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.04.11 11:46:00 -
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Joshua, There are a few visual bugs but its not the fault of ATI, Its EVE. They manage to introduce visual bugs with every patch and provide no advanced options to fix the obvious ones. The R9800 will have the same IQ as a R9800XT. There practically the same card. Infact I use XT bios on my R9800Pro. Don't waste your money.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.11 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 11/04/2004 11:57:43
Edited by: Jarjar on 11/04/2004 11:55:42
Don't do it unless you're filthy rich.
A XT is not much more than an overclocked PRO, it's definately not worth the money if you already have a 9800PRO.
BTW, a few benchmarks to convince you to buy something more useful instead:
UT2003
Call of Duty
HALO
Edit: Bah, crappy hotlink protection.
Copy link -> new browser window/tab -> paste -> add a space after the .gif and it should work.
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JoKane
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Posted - 2004.04.11 12:03:00 -
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Dont buy a new card if you allready got a 9800, you wont notice any big difference and its pretty much money for that small improvement.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.11 12:32:00 -
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Thank you.
Just been checking out some of the forums of games-other-than-Eve and apparently a lot of them are having great trouble with ATI 9800XT models.
I'll stick to my current card for the time being.
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.04.11 15:56:00 -
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Joshua, u thing that weare going to look at you with better eye becaus you have much money and can sped alot of vid cards  
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Zasra
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Posted - 2004.04.11 16:02:00 -
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Also, I think a new Radeon (faster, better, etc) is supposed to be out in a couple months, might as well wait for that.
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Thorne Semperti
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Posted - 2004.04.11 16:39:00 -
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To be honest there is no sense in upgrading from a 9800 pro to a 9800 xt, the difference whilst there, is not going to be at all significant and you would be better off waiting for the next line of graphics cards to be released.
That said, in January i upgraded from a geforce 4 Ti4200 to a 9800xt, and there is of course a marked difference, and I have not had a single problem whilst playing Eve other than the flickering station/jumpgate textures which I assume is a game problem seeing as my old Nvidia card had it too.
Your choice, of course, but seeing as you posted looking for advice, mine would be wait.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.11 16:49:00 -
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Joshua, u thing that weare going to look at you with better eye becaus you have much money and can sped alot of vid cards
I'm never one to curry favour and, if I were to do such a thing, I'd hardly consider the ability to buy a new gfx card as something worthy of mention.
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Arachnyd
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Posted - 2004.04.11 23:39:00 -
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Eh, if you have a 9800 Pro now you outta look into upgrading other parts of your computer instead. A brand new AMD 64 CPU would make EVE purr, and would an extra gig of RAM, both of with would cost approximatly the same amount as a 9800 XT.
You won't see much of a performance increase upgrading from a Pro to an XT, but if you're determained to throw $400 at something, you can paypal it to me instead. If you're snappy about it, maybe i'll send you something resembaling a product in return!
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.12 00:28:00 -
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EVE is almost 100% CPU. A GeForce 3 TI200 will run it almost as well as a 9700 Pro.
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Uhclem
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Posted - 2004.04.12 00:45:00 -
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The new line of ATI cards come out in at least a month. Wait.
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.12 00:52:00 -
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EVE is almost 100% CPU. A GeForce 3 TI200 will run it almost as well as a 9700 Pro.
I can't agree with that, my cpu isn't too hot, but when ragarding eve's performance the major bottleneck for me seems to be my ram, both size and speed.
Personally I'd say it goes RAM > CPU > graphics card
Naturally, josh, you should wait for 'pci extreme' if you've got that good a graphics card, people predict it really is quite close, as close as this summer, in fact, and along with it, will come new graphics cards, conveniently, pci extreme boards "can't" have an agp slot too... , tho you prolly know all of this already, but, point is, save your money because your next upgrade may very well require a new motherboard as well as a new graphics card.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.04.12 01:18:00 -
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I'll give you 100mil isk for that card :p....
umm wtf r u doing upgrading?
what about RAM, HD space for fraps, cpu, etc...
your still running a leet card =[
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2004.04.12 02:52:00 -
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I run a ATI 9600XT and never have any problems. Dont see anything in the game that needs that kind of power.
Most the lag is due to code either server side or the client and nothing you do is going to fix that.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.04.12 04:03:00 -
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EVE is almost 100% CPU. A GeForce 3 TI200 will run it almost as well as a 9700 Pro.
If you run EvE in windowed mode it treats it as a program and bypasses the video cards performance. I used to run two accounts both in windowed till i learned its better to just do both full screen.
Run eve in full screen and the video card takes over most the work load.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 08:56:00 -
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Well my systems specs are:
Windows XP Pro
AthlonXP 2700
1.5GB PC3200 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Audigy 2 soundcard
Thing is, the limitation is probably my motherboard because it it maxed out as far as cpu-type and amount of RAM goes.
Guess I'll just save my pennies for 6 months and invest in an Alienware setup.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.04.12 10:56:00 -
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My Advice would be to hang around another 6months and get the next generation one that will come out prolly end of summer this year...
Sass
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.04.12 11:00:00 -
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Quote:
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EVE is almost 100% CPU. A GeForce 3 TI200 will run it almost as well as a 9700 Pro.
If you run EvE in windowed mode it treats it as a program and bypasses the video cards performance. I used to run two accounts both in windowed till i learned its better to just do both full screen.
Run eve in full screen and the video card takes over most the work load.
Hmm that would explain why the cpu fan is killing me 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 11:03:00 -
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A-ha.
I play windowed (1152 by 864 or something like that) with moderate graphics settings and can't get above 25fps inspace regardless of what graphical settings I choose(it jumps to about 48fps in station) with cargo/scanner/chat windows visible.
I think I'll play full screen for a bit and see what that does for my fps.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.04.12 11:40:00 -
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No point in upgrading Josh, the difference between a 9800 Pro and a 9800 XT is not worth 260 quid.
Besides as someone said, I think ATI is releasing a new line soon.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 13:36:00 -
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Quote:
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EVE is almost 100% CPU. A GeForce 3 TI200 will run it almost as well as a 9700 Pro.
If you run EvE in windowed mode it treats it as a program and bypasses the video cards performance. I used to run two accounts both in windowed till i learned its better to just do both full screen.
Run eve in full screen and the video card takes over most the work load.
You're right - fps jumped up to 35fps inspace and 56fps in station when running full-screen as opposed to windowed (with same settings).
As long as the fps is above 30fps in a game like Eve I'm not too concerned.
Only First Person Shooters need really high frame-rates for mouse control, I guess.
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.12 13:38:00 -
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Quote:
Well my systems specs are:
Windows XP Pro
AthlonXP 2700
1.5GB PC3200 DDR RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Audigy 2 soundcard
Thing is, the limitation is probably my motherboard because it it maxed out as far as cpu-type and amount of RAM goes.
Guess I'll just save my pennies for 6 months and invest in an Alienware setup.
Dear lord, you don't even need it that powerfull for eve.
I don't understand why you're going to save up for a whole new setup, you have enough money to buy a really good motherboard now, a new setup wouldn't give you anything that much better than what you've got, apart from a motherboard, having said that, I'd still wait and see whether this pci extreme lives up to its expectations, but, if it doesn't come out by the end of the summer, I'd upgrade anyway.
BTW, josh, what motherboard have you got? And, also, I don't think your current one is limiting you at all, yah, I don't know the speeds of it, but I doubt its that bad if you can use 1.5gb of pc3200 ddr ram.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 13:48:00 -
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Giga-Byte GA-7VAXP.
I'm just bothered by the performance issues - I feel I should be able to get better frame-rates from Eve.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.04.12 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 12/04/2004 14:13:27
I would take that money and buy an Athalon 64.
Otherwise you could send it to me
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 14:15:00 -
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I've got a GeForce Ti4200 laying around that I never use - gimme 100M isk and it's yours 
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.12 15:07:00 -
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Giga-Byte GA-7VAXP.
I'm just bothered by the performance issues - I feel I should be able to get better frame-rates from Eve.
Ahh, well, josh, don't worry about the framerates, its all a bit strange, i get about the same fps as people both below and above me, bottleneck caused by the code, somewhere, perhaps? I don't know, but, seriously, it would be a real shame to waste that amount of money.
And, I wouldn't by an athlon64 just yet, that would require a new motherboard, and as I said, with this pci extreme thing coming out, you may have to buy a new motherboard again , and besides which, I'm not even sure if it'll provide better performance than your current processor, if you wait until 64-bit windows goes commercial, then pci extreme will be out, as well as better athlon64s and you'll be able to make a better decision knowing all the factors (instead of what people are having to do now, which is guesswork, because we don't know whether whats coming will be worth it).
Anyhoo, I'm talking ****e, i'll keep quiet now .
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.12 15:11:00 -
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Oh, and, I checked out your motherboard, it seems fine.
However , alot of people, including myself, have had problems with that via chipset, in conjunction with the newer radeon cards (9600s and 9800s) , particularly ctds, had to get myself a new motherboard, went for the nforce chipset in the end (soltek, they come in lovely colours...), so, firstly, if you experience many ctds (I experience none now), that may be the cause, although I'm guessing you don't, and, when you buy a new motherboard, stay away from via  .
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.04.12 15:12:00 -
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Giga-Byte GA-7VAXP.
I'm just bothered by the performance issues - I feel I should be able to get better frame-rates from Eve.
I'd say go for a more powerfull CPU, you've got more than enough RAM to run like 5 accounts at the same time.
I have a friend running eve at 60-70 FPS with a 3 ghz processor. I'll ask the rest of his computers stats when I get back from work.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.04.12 15:18:00 -
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EVE is almost 100% CPU. A GeForce 3 TI200 will run it almost as well as a 9700 Pro.
I agree with the other poster.
Priorities for an EVE machine:
RAM (MINIMUM 512M. I run this, I sometimes think I need more)
CPU
Graphics card is last.
I see no difference in performance between a GeForce 4 Go (essentially a GeForce 4MX) and a Ti4600 when playing EVE, except if I crank up my resolution REALLY high (1600x1200) on the 4MX card.
I even underclock my mobile 4 Go card to lower my system temp a bit, I see no difference.
Forcing my P4-M to 1.2 GHz instead of 1.7 via SpeedStep (same reason, temperature if I have the system on my lap, it gets hot even with the fans at full speed) makes a very noticeable difference.
BTW, the two systems I use are:
a)
1.1 GHz Athlon Thunderbird
512M DDR RAM
GeForce4 Ti4600 128M
Dell 1800FP 18" flat-panel monitor
b)
Dell Inspiron 8200
P4-M 1.7 GHz
GeForce 4 Go 440, 64M
512M DDR RAM
Both run EVE great.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 15:53:00 -
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Thanks for the help, haggis.
The only Athlon 64 cpu supported by my mobo is an AMD Athlon 64 2800 - not worth the upgrade since I'm running an AthlonXP 2700 already?
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.04.12 16:39:00 -
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it sure ain't about the hardware, you got like twice I have.
There's a thing installed on your PC, called Windows Xp. It is very bad for game's health, install Gentoo Linux and you'll get 20+ fps
If you don't know/want to know how linux... then configure your WinXp like a gaming platform:
Reinstall it from scratch
Do not install any Anti-virus or any windows patch (except the RPC bug thingy)
Get the latest drivers
Close all uneeded services (most of it..)
Use the WinXp Firewall to protect your machine (cause it ain't patched)
Set your paging file to "none"... you don't need it with 1.5Gb
If your fancy, install the game on another hard drive.
Make sure all hard drives are defragged.
Do NOT play with any CD in your cdrom drive (somehow windows is dumb..)
You'll get a better performance this way :)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.12 16:42:00 -
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I've already configured my Windows services via the Tweaktown.com guide and Viper's XP services guide...
I don't run anything in the background when playing Eve.
I've spent the last couple of days using Rage3DTweak to configure different graphical settings ranging from best performance to best quality and the different beween frame-rates is marginal.
It's bugging me.
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.04.12 16:47:00 -
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one word then: wow
Can't help you much then, maybe get a better internet connection like a modem cable instead of a DSL modem. Cause your hardware setup is more than enough :) |
StaticW
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Posted - 2004.04.12 16:48:00 -
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Phoenixguard said:
There's a thing installed on your PC, called Windows Xp. It is very bad for game's health, install Gentoo Linux and you'll get 20+ fps
hmm did I miss someting, or does it really run under winex now?
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