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Jukhta Mein The Black Dawn Gang Mashen T'plak	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:21:00 - [1] Just a curious question. I would say yes. Not only would pvp activities decrease, those who actively pvp would approach the act with a different mindset than that of scoring kills. That is, pvp would become a means to an end, and not an end to itself. My rationale for this is that without a killboard to number and display your kills, pvp loses a part of its glory and pvp-ers lose a part of that personal pride on which they view their kills.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:22:00 - [2] While I do agree with you, at the end of the day a game is a game, and most people have the need for a "scoreboard". Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:23:00 - [3] Killboards are a symptom, not a cause. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Darth inFECT Imperial Forces	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:24:00 - [4] No. This is a PvP game in the first instance. Let me run a locater agent to find you and generate a killmail for that stupid OP! -- Pew Pew
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Tamia Clant While I do agree with you, at the end of the day a game is a game, and most people have the need for a "scoreboard". This is sums up the argument ---------------------------------------------
Asestorian Domination. Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:52:00 - [6] There are always going to be people who PvP simply for the sake of PvPing. Killboards don't have anything to do with that other than a way to record their kills. If they didn't exist people will still go and kill other people for fun. --- MOZO
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:55:00 - [7] I'm slightly against killboards because they're utilised by unstable individuals in order to prove the size of their epeens. However, a killboard can come in quite handy when you're the leader of an alliance/corporation and you need to know how well a campaign is going.
Sky Marshal Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 16/03/2008 15:03:58 I agree with somes principles. I guess this would increase a few solo PVP and motivate more players to do PVP instead of doing missions/mining, if nothing can immortalize their losses (but also their kills of course), and also reduce smacking. After all, without the oppression of the obligation to have a good ratio/stats, you can so play for fun. ____ 14/20 Revelations : Desyncs... 11/20 Trinity : BBSOD, Bugs, Desyncs, F*** Nerfs 10/20 1.1 : [...] + EXP shield nerf 07/20 ½ Not a single nerf + : What ?!? CCP is the real problem of EVE.
Alistair Cononach The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:10:00 - [9] Every Millitary in the modern era has "kept score" of what they've killed, especially fighter pilots. Killboards have some negative effects, mostly encouraging people to fight only with an overpowering advantage so their "stats" don't look bad, which IS a legit issue. But the desire to "keep score" is almost a universal one. If it wasn't killboards, it'd be something else (like sovreignty instead). Humans like to keep score, it is what it is. May as well get used to it.
Agathe Hira Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:15:00 - [10] Definetly the PvP would be better without killboards. And i mean meaningfull PvP, you know where you PvP because you have a conflict, and where you have an objective to achieve (teritorial, economic, piracy, etc..) that is other then simply scoring some points. The last thing the game needs is kids who go "well we may have lost the war but at least we won the few battles we weren't afraid to go into". Let me put it another way, what would the market be like if there were "iskboards". And people started hoarding isk to be "in the top".
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/03/2008 15:42:13 Originally by: Jukhta Mein Just a curious question. I would say yes. Not only would pvp activities decrease, those who actively pvp would approach the act with a different mindset than that of scoring kills. That is, pvp would become a means to an end, and not an end to itself. My rationale for this is that without a killboard to number and display your kills, pvp loses a part of its glory and pvp-ers lose a part of that personal pride on which they view their kills. Rubbish. I'm, for instance, a pirate. I'd still attack everyone on sight (unless they pay). That's how I make my ISK, after all, killboards or no killboards. I don't get how the lack of killboards would change anything. It still wouldn't make people blob less (because, after all, you blob to win, or at least to not lose), and it wouldn't make people stop avoiding getting killed (I mean, ships in EvE actually don't respawn, can you believe that?). People like keeping score, people like knowing what they killed (it makes me smile when I get blobbed and die but get to kill a few very expensive ships in the process). It's just the way it is. Besides, fighter pilots have always, always kept score Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Larice Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Malcanis Killboards are a symptom, not a cause. This. Originally by: Cpt Branko Rubbish. I'm, for instance, a pirate. I'd still attack everyone on sight (unless they pay). That's how I make my ISK, after all, killboards or no killboards. I don't get how the lack of killboards would change anything. It still wouldn't make people blob less (because, after all, you blob to win, or at least to not lose), and it wouldn't make people stop avoiding getting killed (I mean, ships in EvE actually don't respawn, can you believe that?). People like keeping score, people like knowing what they killed (it makes me smile when I get blobbed and die but get to kill a few very expensive ships in the process). It's just the way it is. Besides, fighter pilots have always, always kept score And this.
Ikki Phoenix The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:49:00 - [13] Actually,I think killboards should be kept as secret as possible and used by corps/alliances as intelligence information ------------------------------------------------ Join offline skills tool Eve-Commander http://www.eve-commander.com/index.cfm?code=ik306923
Loyal Servant Viper Intel Squad	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:53:00 - [14] Killboards are used by alliance leaders as a 'your not doing ****' tool. They are mostly an e-peen measurement tool. But, you do need to keep score and when you have tards they stick out like a sore thumb on a killboard. Like it or not, it's a necessary evil.
Wild Rho GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:55:00 - [15] I remain convinced pvp was better in the age before kill mails and kill boards were created. Often fights were more about either having a laugh or accomplishing a goal rather than who could get "a better score". On the politics side of things it was also more entertaining reading as various player factions rabbled over who killed what as another form of propaganda. These days kill mails seem to have developed a "counterstrike" mentality where people put far more importance on a k/d ratio than anything else and this has had an affect on how people approach combat.
Tarron Sarek Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2008.03.16 16:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Wild Rho I remain convinced pvp was better in the age before kill mails and kill boards were created. Often fights were more about either having a laugh or accomplishing a goal rather than who could get "a better score". On the politics side of things it was also more entertaining reading as various player factions rabbled over who killed what as another form of propaganda. These days kill mails seem to have developed a "counterstrike" mentality where people put far more importance on a k/d ratio than anything else and this has had an affect on how people approach combat. I absolutely agree with you. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Sphynx Stormlord Anqara Tech	Posted - 2008.03.16 16:28:00 - [17] If killboards had not been invented, someone would invent them prety damm quickly. Even if it was just a blackboard and chalk.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:38:00 - [18] Killboards also prove a useful record of what you're flying, and what your opponent tends to fly. Heat of battle, tracking such things is tough. but being able to record what sizes of fleets you normally face, and what sort of ship composition is rather nice. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Dramund Atonement Arms	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Malcanis Killboards are a symptom, not a cause. This. Even WoW guilds make their own killboards.
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:13:00 - [20] huh? what are you talking about. It is your record, your life story in eve. Some put alot of emphasis on it others not so much, but if you are a combat pilot, when you log off at the end of the day its the only way others can rate you and you rate yourself, i go back and look at past battles with fraps and try and learn. its all you have in the end... you must come from the nu school where you shouldnt give grades. You either are on alot of KM's and fight alot or you die alot or you don't bother fighting... either way there is a record of your actions
Ghengis Gone Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Tamia Clant While I do agree with you, at the end of the day a game is a game, and most people have the need for a "scoreboard". This, 100% this. I mean, would anyone really play any game if no score was being kept? How would you know if you won? The arguement that people are killmail hungry is completely broken, heck yeah we want to kill and especially have it recorded somewhere because unlike in other games, kills in EVE matter - you do not respawn in 15 seconds...
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:31:00 - [22] Would make no noticable difference. I remember the days before killboards - same people - same behaviour. Deal with it. --- ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:34:00 - [23] The need for the kill is not there because of the killboards. The killboards are there because of the need for the kill. I play this game to use fictional internet space ships to kill other people's fictional internet space ships. Killboards or not, that's what I'll do.
Phice Anxu School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Phice Anxu on 17/03/2008 20:16:38 Originally by: Matrixcvd huh? what are you talking about. It is your record, your life story in eve. This is also your permanent loss story, who can annoy people like me. I think that it could be good to permit a player to appear in the killmail of the killer as "Anonymous". The killer keep the gratification of the kill of a BS/Other, but the player don't have any problem to take risks, as it would have no record of it. To avoid exploit, the option need some days to be fully operational. But to keep the tactical intelligence and financial estimation of war progress who can permit Killboards, the corp and the alliance still remain in the Killmail. Only the name of the player is changed.

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