Without people using Plex, either to buy aurum (heh) or to subscribe, Plex would have no value.

With a lower number of people using Plex, the plex drops in value. Then people buy less out of game, reducing the numbers. So the price rises a bit. It'll still drop in value over all.

So you can't say that people would buy plex regardless. It's not like CCP are buying them off the market.

Which will drive the price of everything up. I.E. inflation. So you go from making 10 mil an hour to 12 mil an hour. And then you pay an extra 20% for everything in the game. Its like your 12 mil an hour is only worth 10 mil on the market prior to the 'mining buff'.

And why the hell not? low sec and especially null sec industry needs a boost to make it viable, and nerffing hi sec a bit is required to do so.

CCP have stated, and most of the players agree with this, that null sec should be the most rewarding part of k-space, then low sec, then hi sec, in addition they all need to have a unique aspect that makes them suited for one thing over the rest, be it ore availability or moon mining or whatever.

Removing drone poo entirely will give Jaspet reason to live.

if CCP hadn't coded in an inflationary currency to begin with then buffs like these along with incursions wouldn't be a problem, it's because of this items like PLEX have gotten so bloody expensive lately. If there were a limited currency then prices would have gone a lot lower and the game would have ended up being easier for everyone, it looks like CCP are determined to act like a central bank when it comes to this game.

So in principal just by redistirbuting mining gains without the need to simply remove stuff or nerf other industrial capabilities you can make null sec mining and industry more viable. So it is not necessary or "required" to nerf non null to achieve this.

The figures are closer to 40 + 60 = 100. Removing drone poo (but leaving T1 meta-X loot in NPC drops) will do more to boost the profitability of mining than any other possible change. When profitability goes up, more people will do it, which will bring the profitability right back down.

You keep harping on about nerfing non-nullGǪ where do you get that idea from?

The CSM believes that nullsec needs to be more self-sufficient from hisec, at the industrial level. The CSM suggested that nullsec should be able to produce T2 goods at higher margins than in hisec. Many ideas were thrown around, such as making T2 production superior in nullsec compared to hisec as well as adding many more factory and research slots in nullsec outposts. The CSM suggested that high technology products come from nullsec - they can be done in hisec, but with better margins in null. The CSM was intrigued by the idea of allowing meta-level item production in lowsec, creating a continuum of t1 - meta - t2 across hi/low/null. Most of the CSM favored the idea of increasing invention chances in 0.0 compared to hisec.

- References to industrialization, moving t2 production to 0.0, interdependence of regions, market hubs in nullsec. CCP commented that player built stations should always be better than NPC stations.

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- General industrial boosts would be good. Such as adding more slots in stations or increasing invention chance in nullsec with an IHUB upgrade? This would then lead to a greater demand for datacores which would partially boost those who run exploration sites.

Some other ideas include incentivizing invention by giving superior success chances on invention jobs in sov space.

Indeed it does, but try making proposals to make it more challenging and interesting and see what response you get from the "but mining also needs to be dull and easy enough so that I can make ISK while semi AFK" miners.

You keep harping on about nerfing non-nullGǪ where do you get that idea from?

its not nerfing per se, its the causality of what will happen in hisec.

1. nerf drone poo.
2. less minerals in game.
3. minerals worth more.
4. all of new eden effected.

It doesn't really answer the question, though: you keep mentioning some odd non-null nerf, and I'm asking you what it is and where you're getting the idea from?

its not nerfing per se, its the causality of what will happen in hisec.

1. nerf drone poo.
2. less minerals in game.
3. minerals worth more.
4. all of new eden effected.

People can only speculate if it will make more people want to mine or not. It certainly would be beneficial to botters. It will not make me want to mine.

All good things.

It doesn't really answer the question, though: you keep mentioning some odd non-null nerf, and I'm asking you what it is and where you're getting the idea from?

Yeah that was him, like i said its not a "nerf".

Yeah that was him, like i said its not a "nerf".

I answered above.

Yes. Sorry about that.

Then I've missed it. What's the non-null nerf? No, just because null gets buffed doesn't mean non-null gets nerfed. Again, it's a redistribution of null resources so that one section isn't removing the point of having minerals in all other regions. Non-null isn't part of the equation.

It is if null gets a buff to their capabilites for T2 production, as its says it makes them more competative as a result. As per my comments.

Also if all drone poo is to be removed including high sec then those opportunites for sources are simply excluded and limited more to regional capabilites.

I provided clear evidence that catagorically compared improveing things for null as comapred to high sec.

Tipia I suspect you simply havent gone back to read the point where i specifically adressed your question. I did point it out to you.

Ok, like I said: I missed it. It also doesn't have anything to do with the mining buff of removing drone poo.

That's all I'm talking about: the redistribution of a nullsec resource to a larger portion of nullsec, and the return of a profession that has been usurped by ratting.

People keep asking for various boosts to the mining industry in EvE but everything that makes mining more profitable as an activity has the knock on effect of raising the costs of every ship and module in the game that relies on minerals in order to exist.

Largest load of Horse-Puckey deposited about mining ever. Please post proof of this.