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Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:32:00 - [1] - Quote so im a newbie. im driving an Exquror , a cruise from gallente. Im using 4 medium hybird turret. Using 1 Target Painter and 1 Webfier when im on the mission, i flyed out to the encounter, then start shooting ships. the weird parts are when i shoot, some ship just need 1 hit from each turret to blow, and some start to have extremely dodge rate. Like Neo in the Matrix control them and dodge my bullet like hell. ( they are the same ship type, just different ship ) some times i hit for 1 or 2 hit, and keep missing like 10 minutes. the range between me and target ship is like ~500-1000m. i have Motion predict level 3, sharpshooting level 3. and Target Painter, Statis Webfier as well. So why i keep missing those shot., COMPLETELY MISSING. Please help me out here THANKS YOU SO MUCH !
Brock Nelson 358	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:36:00 - [2] - Quote Isn't Target Painter for missiles? Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:39:00 - [3] - Quote [A targeting subsystem that projects an electronic "Tag" on the target thus making it easier to target and Hit. ] doesnt say anything about missile. have no idea.
Brock Nelson 358	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:48:00 - [4] - Quote Description don't mean jack ****, CCP isn't actually known for writing accurate description. While you're technically correct in thinking that it helps but in your situation and ship fitting, it's not helpful. If you look at the attribute tab of target paint, you'll notice that it has a 25% bonus to sig radius bonus, 50km accuracy fall off and 25km optimal range. Both the accuracy and optimal range bonus is useless in this case because you're already in the target's face at 500-1000m. The sig radius bonus is also useless given that you're using cruiser size guns attacking same size ship. I'm not a hybrid or projectile user but I figure you're better off using either tracking computer or tracking enhancer. Could you post with your fittings? Edit: Come to think of, Target Painter would be more useful in your situation if you were in a battleship using large gun and trying to hit a frigate. Also Exequror is more of a mining ship than combat ship. You might want to look at either Thorax or Celestis to take advange of the bonus that the ship has to offer. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:50:00 - [5] - Quote okay, so i turned it off, and the problem still there :).
Brock Nelson 358	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:52:00 - [6] - Quote Fit a tracking computer or enhancer. In fact, get rid of Exequror and get something else with damage bonus. The Exequror has a bonus to cargohold and remote repair, both of which I'm fairly certain you will not need in missions. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:55:00 - [7] - Quote well as i was saying im a newbie so this ship is the best i've got :(. can you name the tracking computer or enchancer please ? i will search it on the market. thanks you.
Brock Nelson 358	Posted - 2012.02.22 04:59:00 - [8] - Quote Tracking Computer I Tracking Enhancer I Like I said, I'm not a hybrid user, so ask in the help channel or check out the Ship and Fittings Forum for someone who has a better idea of what would work for you. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:05:00 - [9] - Quote thanks you for helping me ! and im waiting for some hybird user if they have the same problems :(. please.
Aldous Sancros Carbon-16 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:18:00 - [10] - Quote Tracking speed is your biggest hurdle if you're in their face. The math is a bit complex, but you need to either reduce their transversal velocity or increase your tracking speed (or both). You want your tracking speed to exceed their transversal in radians/second to increase your chance to hit. Tracking speed is measured in radians/second. Your best tools for buffing your tracking speed are tracking computers and enhancers. You can reduce their transversal by either A] slowing them down, with webifiers or B] increase the range to target. Because of this, being at point-blank range isn't always ideal (your OP doesn't state what sort of guns you're fitting. I'm presuming blasters, because you're at such close range. If you're using rail guns, get some range and shoot from optimal). Lighter guns will track faster, allowing you to hit speedier things more readily. Hope that helps

Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:21:00 - [11] - Quote awesome. thanks you alot ! can i fit both tracking enchance and tracking computer at the same time ? are there any penalty ? thanks !
Aldous Sancros Carbon-16 1	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:29:00 - [12] - Quote You'll get a reduction in bonus. It will still be better than just 1, but not fully effective.
NeoShocker Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 100	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:32:00 - [13] - Quote Stu Thewolf wrote: so im a newbie. im driving an Exquror , a cruise from gallente. Im using 4 medium hybird turret. Using 1 Target Painter and 1 Webfier when im on the mission, i flyed out to the encounter, then start shooting ships. the weird parts are when i shoot, some ship just need 1 hit from each turret to blow, and some start to have extremely dodge rate. Like Neo in the Matrix control them and dodge my bullet like hell. ( they are the same ship type, just different ship ) some times i hit for 1 or 2 hit, and keep missing like 10 minutes. the range between me and target ship is like ~500-1000m. i have Motion predict level 3, sharpshooting level 3. and Target Painter, Statis Webfier as well. So why i keep missing those shot., COMPLETELY MISSING. Please help me out here THANKS YOU SO MUCH ! Looks like Statis Webifier will be your best friend. It lowers the speed of the target and it'll make it easier to hit. T2 or Fleeting propulsion inhibitor webifier can slow targets up to 10km. So juding from your post, your targets is within web range. Also, since you have targets shooting you at close range, "blaster" type guns will help you. Huge DPS, but low range and great tracking speed. Railguns is also good, but it has so-so tracking and damage, but great range. In addition, take a look at your "transversal". You add that column under overview settings. Target painer would help, since it makes target "bigger", but the biggest factor is the transversal velocity of the target. It is "outmaneuvering" your guns. Tracking computers (mid slot) will help, and you can increase its effectiveness by adding tracking scripts and/or use the tracking enhancers (low slot). You can also use the rigs to add tracking speed of your turrets.
Cyzlaki Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 243	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:33:00 - [14] - Quote It's probably bad tracking. Even lower speeds at very close range increase transversal and angular velocity which can make you miss. Especially against small targets. Try not moving (CTRL+SPACE). Careful though, the damage you take may increase to untankable levels. The target painter is great and will assist you track your targets
Professor Alphane Alphane Research Co-operative 293	Posted - 2012.02.22 05:50:00 - [15] - Quote Do you understand what optimal and falloff are 500-1000 M is hull hugging if you are using the wrong weapons/ammo you will automatically miss. YOU MUST THINK FIRST....
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 20	Posted - 2012.02.22 06:01:00 - [16] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Do you understand what optimal and falloff are 500-1000 M is hull hugging if you are using the wrong weapons/ammo you will automatically miss. Yep... This... Try standing off a bit... look at what the optimal range of the turrets is and set that as your orbit... And are they blasters or rails? With rails you'll have buckleys chance of hitting anything orbiting at that range... I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow... Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail
Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.22 06:40:00 - [17] - Quote After fitting 2 trackers on my ship and keep a distance ( like 7500m ) from the target i was being able to finish the job ! thanks you verymuch guys !!!! you are the best ! btw what equipment i can fit in the rig slot please ? [ You can also use the rigs to add tracking speed of your turrets. ] <== from NeoShocker. thanks you guys !
Grey Azorria Federation Industries 66	Posted - 2012.02.22 10:12:00 - [18] - Quote Brock Nelson wrote: Isn't Target Painter for missiles? Much like a MWD, being target painted increases sig radius, which is very useful for missiles, but also good for shooting smaller ships with bigger guns as it increases the base hit chance (before tracking, transversal ect. is taken into consideration). Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Alara IonStorm 1655	Posted - 2012.02.22 10:33:00 - [19] - Quote Stu Thewolf wrote: [ You can also use the rigs to add tracking speed of your turrets. ] <== from NeoShocker. Hybrid Locus Coordinator I 15% Optimal Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I 15% Tracking Hybrid Collision Accelerator I 10% Damage You can fit up to 3 of the first 2 and 2 of the 3rd. Or on Col Accel and 2 of the Opt / Tracking.
Mekhana Black Knight Legion 419	Posted - 2012.02.22 10:58:00 - [20] - Quote Are you using your guns at the optimal range? Are you sure you aren't shooting at frigates in orbit? Ignore the frigates when they are orbiting you, use your drones. If for some reason you are missing shots at a cruiser orbiting, try to position yourself away and gain distance so he chases after you in a straight line. You should hit it again this way. Also try to use Antimatter ammo in close ranges.

Aldous Sancros Carbon-16 3	Posted - 2012.02.22 11:05:00 - [21] - Quote Stu Thewolf wrote: After fitting 2 trackers on my ship and keep a distance ( like 7500m ) from the target i was being able to finish the job ! thanks you verymuch guys !!!! you are the best ! btw what equipment i can fit in the rig slot please ? [ You can also use the rigs to add tracking speed of your turrets. ] <== from NeoShocker. thanks you guys ! If you right click on your weapon icon in space and 'show info', you can scroll down and see what you're optimal range is with whatever ammunition you have loaded. This is, generally, the ideal distance between yourself and the target.
Keen Fallsword Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK 31	Posted - 2012.02.22 11:09:00 - [22] - Quote switch to Missiles or Projectiles (ancient Terran Technology, a gunpowder - better than JOVE). Dont waste your time in Hybrids training. CCP added Gallente race coz they WANT YOUR TIME - dont waste it !!.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 552	Posted - 2012.02.22 13:59:00 - [23] - Quote An interactive guide to how turrets and tracking works: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0910/eve-tracking101.swf Use it, use it a lot. There will be numbers and graphs and math and stuff, and if these things make you quiver, then go train missiles like a good little drake pilot. Otherwise you'll learn quite a bit and come out the other side of it a far better internet spaceship pilot. Trust me, it's worth it. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 439	Posted - 2012.02.22 20:28:00 - [24] - Quote Target painters do work on guns. They increase the sig radius, which turret guns use to track and so it does help tracking. But target painting does have alot of skills to train to make it good, and tracking computer is a fast train that covers all ya need as well. Just optimal to use tracking computers or links, but target painting does help with guns. disorientating
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 335	Posted - 2012.02.22 20:32:00 - [25] - Quote The answer is that Hybrids still suck. Period and final. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
gfldex 327	Posted - 2012.02.22 20:56:00 - [26] - Quote How turrets work. Painters do work and if you got a meta>=4 and the painter bonus skill they are quite a bit better then a tracking comp. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson
Stu Thewolf Sick That Duck 0	Posted - 2012.02.23 04:45:00 - [27] - Quote Thanks you guys for all the comment ! are hybirds guns that suck ? you guys complain about it alot so it makes me worry. so projectile guns are better hmm ?
Valentyn3 43	Posted - 2012.02.23 05:01:00 - [28] - Quote Stu Thewolf wrote: Thanks you guys for all the comment ! are hybirds guns that suck ? you guys complain about it alot so it makes me worry. so projectile guns are better hmm ? Yes, the devs made a game where plasma blasters are out gunned by space bullets. --_-- I used to be a Blade Runner like you, then I took an android to the knee...


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