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Noxzema Jacson
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:47:00 -
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I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
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facepalm johnson
a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:49:00 -
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Wow, are you still going on about something?
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Zerena Draco
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:55:00 -
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OP go play Hellgate London and you will come back
praying to CCP like they be gods haha...
Sure CCP got problems with their product but alot of
them has been demanded by the players. The more people
to satiesfy the harder it is to keep everyone happy.
btw I am no fanboy but ur statement is just wrong 
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knifee
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:56:00 -
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its true! sequels really do just get worse and worse.
www.eve-dev.net - making a good thing better
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Father Dibbles
Self Aggrandisement Society
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
then nothing will change.
...... the way you want it to?
They are constantly changing the game to fix the lag issue, they are even getting a superserver (or computer?) built for them. What do you do in EVE, just sit about moaning and sighing?
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking
Has EVE been unkind to you? It has hasn't it.... Come to Dodixie and mission run for a while.....
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Growler667
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
First up, I am certainly no fanboy. I think CCP has ****** up in several ways over the years and, to be honest, I've not forgiven them yet for many of them.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
What do you suggest? Have a team of GMs monitoring petitions regarding hurt feelings instead of juggling load balancing problems that everyone else screams about? An optional language filter might be an idea, but I'm not sure what else could be done.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
Personally I don't really care about isk farmers. They've been around for a few years now and the economy's fine. People seem to be in a mindset about them and aren't looking at the situation objectively anymore. Saying that the farmers are the bread and butter userbase is just ******** though - farmers farm because people buy their isk, so we can conclude that there is (at the very least) enough "other" users to keep the demand going. Factor in the people who don't buy the isk (the majority) and it's obvious that the farmers are definitely a minority.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
Stop falling back to the fanboy thing and make your points without the attitude - you'll get taken much more seriously.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
This I kinda agree on. I played Eve as my only MMO for about 2-3 years, then gave WoW a try. The lack of lag and such was a real eye-opener. Being on a single server is nice - very nice, really - but Eve has been teetering on the edge of unplayability via lag for some time. The hardware upgrades are just about holding it together, but the fact that lag has now been accepted as part of the game is a very damning sign. It should be an absolutely exceptional circumstance that causes death by lag.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
See, I think you made some good points. It's a shame you had to spoil the post with the insults.
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OwlManAtt
Yasashii Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:59:00 -
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So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor)
I have never had a bad experience with a GM. They are always polite and helpful to me. It might have something to do with the fact that I don't misfile things as 'Stuck' petitions when my problem has nothing to do with being stuck, or that I don't expect to get ships back by crying to the GMs when Something Goes Wrong.
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stability of the game (poor)
Not the best, I agree. I'm abhorred by the fact that the Blob Problem(tm) is not being dealt with in the short-term while they engineer their (very) long term fix. I didn't like how long it took them to fix a bunch of stability issues in the Mac client. But it works well enough most of the time for me.
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and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
How do you measure this against other companies? What do you consider an acceptable level of customer value? Do you know of any small software vendors that have their developers (who get paid to develop software) sit on forums all day and reply to the same points time and time again?
I don't know of any, and I don't expect CCP's engineers to do it.
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My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
Correct. They have plenty of people willing to pay for the 'poor job' that they are doing. That implies to me that the job they are doing is not as 'poor' as you would imply.
Does EVE have problems? Yes. Plenty of them. But does EVE work well enough? Yes. I'll keep paying and playing alongside the other 40k+ people who think the game works well enough. I like my internets spaceships. If you really find CCP's product and services to be so sub-par, you aren't going to fix anything by paying them every month. Vote with yer wallet!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Personally, the fact that CCP allow non-consensual PvP even in Empire is part of the reason I play this game. Long may it continue! Jihadswarm, Privateers and suicide gankers are both necessary and amusing.
As for racist remarks, you can petition abusive or racist langauge: they are specifically disallowed by the EULA. But YOU have to do it. CCP don't pay someone to watch every single local channel in the game in case someone hurts your feelings.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
sesanti
Universal Exports
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:00:00 -
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Man, if you hate the game so much and CCP what are you still doing here stirring up the pot?
I mean, I don't like Second Life for example. You won't see me into their forums *****ing and whining as to why Second Life is not a Spaceship game with non-consentual PVP but something completely different.
I simply left the game when I found it boring. Why keep *****ing around? Why why why? Explain that to me? Why whine in the first place? The game is what the designers had in mind, and the people that play it like the game. I assume no one is so massochist as to play something they hate, but you might prove me wrong. 
Seriously, quit it.
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Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:02:00 -
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Have you ever tried washing up without using washing-up liquid?
Could you clean a pot or a pan without using a scrubbing brush, a sponge or a scouring pad?
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK?
Right. Good...
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:04:00 -
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"This I kinda agree on. I played Eve as my only MMO for about 2-3 years, then gave WoW a try. The lack of lag and such was a real eye-opener. Being on a single server is nice - very nice, really - but Eve has been teetering on the edge of unplayability via lag for some time. The hardware upgrades are just about holding it together, but the fact that lag has now been accepted as part of the game is a very damning sign. It should be an absolutely exceptional circumstance that causes death by lag."
I was in a ~100 vs 100 fleet battle a couple of times this weekend just gone. It was kinda laggy, but we have a good FC who gave us very helpful orders concerning our overviews, so although the lag was definitely noticeable, it was manageable. Call it about 5-10 fps once the grid loaded, which took about 15 seconds.
Also had some good fights in lo-sec: a 4 vs 10 and a 7 vs 9, neither of which were at all laggy. Lost 2 ravens, but not to lag but because we attacked larger gangs to see if we could take 'em. Yarr!
I stayed the hell out of Jita, Motsu, Dodoxie and NOL. No matter what CCP do, those systems will be laggy because people cram into them until the lag is 1 notch short of unbearable.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
EVE was a fantastic game, but with one big flaw; It has a fundamental bottleneck that will kill the game in the end, and thats the inability to distribute the workload of a single system to multiple processors (=lag).
That, coupled with overpopulated space, capital ships becoming "standard" combat ships (cap blobs), gatecamping and a lack off places to go, WILL kill this game.
CCP in itself, as a company, have done a pretty good job though setting the standards for future game titles to live up to.
EVE (and CCP) was the best thing to have happened for the MMO market. We all know now that a single server, 100% loot, PvP focused game, with a player driven market, actually can work.
If you can make a game with the fundamental principles of EVE Online, without the "bad" stuff that came with it (lag, lack of space, cap blobs, etc) you have a future MMO kick-ass game that ppl will love.
And we can only thank CCP for that.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |
Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
What is poor about the customer service, and what company do you use to compare them with?
What is not stable about the game, except for fleet fights, but there is no other game you can compare this with because those all fail so hard at putting a lot of players in 1 fight that they just don't do it at all.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Which of their rules don't they follow?
If someone makes a racist remark then petition it and the person will get warned / banned. (did this plenty of times and it works like a charm)
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
What do you suggest to solve this problem??.... aah right that's what i tought, NOTHING.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
I never have problems with lag, only in really large fleet fights and in jita, so if you got some lag in other aspects of the game i would suggest you check your ISP first.
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked
I never have problems with lag, only in really large fleet fights and in jita, so if you got some lag in other aspects of the game i would suggest you check your ISP first.
Heh. Good one. ... you weren't serious were you?
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right. 
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Pan Crastus
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
What lag? Their logs show no lag.
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Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
Noobs in empire don't experience much lag except in the biggest market hubs and/or lvl 4 mission running systems (and noobs dont do lvl 4s).
The biggest reason to why they are leaving (i think) is that there ain't much places to go and explore.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |
MACCHES
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:25:00 -
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The only reason anyone would rail this hard against CCP is that they have never in their lives experienced SOEs groundbreaking, revolutionary attitude towards their Online Gamer communities.
Compared to SOE, herein refered to as 'Others', CCP have worked hard to keep EVE on a level pegging. By introducing new components into the game, by tweaking the game mechanics, by doing their best to provide a single-server oriented galactic experience (unlike ANY other), they stand out among the MMOg providers.
From personal experience with the Others, I learned that there would be little a very angry fanbase, or an infinite amount of forum-warring would do to change the Others mind with regards to where they want to take the game.
Remember, the Others brought us SWG (started with promise) and then cataclysmically botched it. They are also responsible for Planetside (which is so bugged and biased I dont know where to start) and the Ever-popular-Quest (my experience with EQ2 is limited to afew months, and the game worked well, with regular content updates and stable servers).
Cut CCP an arm-length of slack, they have a rare perspective on MMOGs and work hard to maintain the uniqueness. Perhaps not always hard enough from where we're sitting, but then we're End-Users, so not in a position to judge.
Yaarrggh! 
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Esmenet
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Why are you still here?
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Ohmebius
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:26:00 -
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OP- try entropia universe? you want lack of communications and bad customer service! CCP rock compared to them.
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happomaagi
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:27:00 -
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I've witnessed a contractor deliver a power plant with less competence than CCP does Eve, but disagreeing with you clearly makes me a fanboy, so there's nothing to argue here really.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:30:00 -
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Fact: your posts stinks bigtime.
I wont bother comment it more then that. Its simply not worth it. And the so-called facts are not even close to a half-truth.
Anyway: if you dont like the game, get the hell out of it! There is no reason you should dump this thrashdump on the forums just because you dont like it!
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Fact: your posts stinks bigtime.
Fact: posts stink less than eve atm. Even goon posts.
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Anyway: if you dont like the game, get the hell out of it! There is no reason you should dump this thrashdump on the forums just because you dont like it!
That works both ways. If you don't like the posts, don't read them.
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Kolwrath
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Well that paragraph pretty much shot your credibility down the tubes. If you want to be taken seriously then don't talk like a enraged 14 year old. All that does is make you look like a forum troll.
If you have complaints about CCP, address them in a professional and polite manner. You will get alot farther that this sort of fud.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
You really need to grow up ...
(yes I am serious ... this kind of childish remark does *not* help you)
I call troll ...
Originally by: Chaos Space Marines
Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
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Fergus Nuada
Red.
Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:41:00 -
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No CCP aren't the worst company, to answer your question. Does that make me a fanboi?
CCP provides me with hours of entertainment, and has made me friends I wouldn't have otherwise. Does THAT now make me a fanboi?
At what point do I cross this mysterious line that turns me into a fanboi?
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Tafari Che
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Don't you mean, "even those of people who disagree with me"? Just calling people fanboys doesn't make em less right about the point they're making.
also you are pathetic and immature and I'm sure you'll not be missed.
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Arvald
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fergus Nuada
No CCP aren't the worst company, to answer your question. Does that make me a fanboi?
CCP provides me with hours of entertainment, and has made me friends I wouldn't have otherwise. Does THAT now make me a fanboi?
At what point do I cross this mysterious line that turns me into a fanboi?
when you say that your opinions are different from his 
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Pan Crastus
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Well that paragraph pretty much shot your credibility down the tubes. If you want to be taken seriously then don't talk like a enraged 14 year old. All that does is make you look like a forum troll.
If you have complaints about CCP, address them in a professional and polite manner. You will get alot farther that this sort of fud.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
You really need to grow up ...
(yes I am serious ... this kind of childish remark does *not* help you)
I call troll ...
How old do you think do your rude ad hominem attacks in your otherwise content-free post make you look?
The OP has valid points, you are obviously just trolling this thread to get it locked due to flaming.
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Noxzema Jacson
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Noxzema Jacson on 17/03/2008 15:52:55
Well it is refreshing to see more intelligent replies than fanboy flames this go around. Some ask..
1. What is unstable? Lets see.. node crashes, random freezes in a real-time environment which usually ends up in a loss. I think most of us understand this, its a shame that the fanboys try to cover the problem up. Again this probably could be solved if CCP invested some more dollars into additional servers and programmers to fix bugs. To people whom have been playing for years and have infinite resources a loss of a cruiser or battlecruiser is nothing, to someone less than 3 months such as loss is devastating.
2. What is poor service? I can't think of another service provider whom doesn't re-imburse you for downtime incurred by them. If your cell provider drops calls you will be re-imbursed for that time, if your DSL is out for a day for maintenance you will be re-imbursed for that time. When EVE is down for patches they should not count that company imposed downtime against our accounts.
3. Free expansions. What are they expanding..the solo player experience is non existant. The missions are painfully boring and the ai is nothing short of terrible. We all play to pvp either in combat or politics; isk farmers aside. I've never played WOW but from what I read its well worth the price if your into that type of game.
4. Why don't I just leave? Well I will when the bulk time I bought expires and if I do not have enough isk to get more. Until then I have paid good money to play and want too play.
My biggest beef is CCP is trying hard to get more exposure at the expense of ignoring issues. The game is intriguing just enough to make most of us bear with the issues. Thats fine and its a choice; in life nothing is perfect..but don't play fanboy and assert nothing is wrong; its not like CCP will stop you from PAYING to play their game if you speak out. What they will do is address the issues if enough of its client base speak out. |
Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:52:00 -
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Didn't you leave yet?
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Terail Zoqial
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:56:00 -
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I'm not a fanboi, I have issues with CCP and eve but at the end of the day I am a customer.
You do realise that there are hundred of thousands of subs right?, you do realise CCP have finite resources, and also various issues such ask isk farmers need to be resolved with finite resources and without seriously messing up the game for the players.
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sesanti
Universal Exports
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:57:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
4. Why don't I just leave? Well I will when the bulk time I bought expires and if I do not have enough isk to get more. Until then I have paid good money to play and want too play.
When I pay for something I don't like, even if I have payed for it and can't get a refund (like in most cases), I DONT stick to that thing just to make up for the money I payed.
In the end, you are losing even more. Money (which, you already lost by paying) and time (which you could be spending somewhere else).
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xaen on 17/03/2008 16:05:55
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
While I'm very harsh critic - ask my fans - I give credit where credit is due. If someone makes racist remarks, report them. Luckily for us, they don't have some automated system monitoring chat and autobanning. That is, they only act on harassment petitions.
As for the ISK farmers, I'm less certain, but try petitioning when you see one. I suspect that many of them are not automated, and thus not violating the ToS simply by grinding ISK. It's not until they sell it that they've actually done anything wrong.
And as for the instability and bugs and instability, I agree with you. There is simply no excuse for a company to release such poor quality product. See boot.ini, the boost patch's settings screw up, Jita lag, fleet lag, node crashes, game breaking bugs, the UI in general. Hell, they can't even log text in a way that doesn't cause problems. If you want to know more, see the links in my sig.
Jita lag: This one is especially irritating, because preserving the courier profession is more important to them than fixing overpopulated systems. Nevermind the fact that the courier profession would actually be greatly enhanced by...I dunno...being able to play the game in market hubs. You can fix it without destroying the courier profession, but CCP has simply closed it's mind to this option rather than working out a way that makes everyone happy. They seem completely satisfied with temporary fixes via hardware upgrades. This is what really irks me.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:06:00 -
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Worst company out of every single company? Prolly not, tbh.
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Kolwrath
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kolwrath on 17/03/2008 16:26:08
Originally by: Pan Crastus
How old do you think do your rude ad hominem attacks in your otherwise content-free post make you look?
The OP has valid points, you are obviously just trolling this thread to get it locked due to flaming.
I did not state that his points were invalid, just that his demeanor makes him look like a troll. To be frank, his attitude stinks.
If you look at his arguments, and responses, its either you agreewith him ... or your a fanboi and therefore your opinion does not matter.
Now you can flame me for that opinion, but in essence the OP's very same stance. I am a fanboi, and thus *my* opinion dosen't matter. How is that opinion ok and mine is not?
This is not a person who is open for discussion ... this is a person stirring things up on the forums ... i.e a troll.
Also I would like to point out that Blackwater USA has got to be the worst company ever. Killing civilians, war profiteering and so much more!
The OP is dead wrong about CPP. 
Originally by: Chaos Space Marines
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Jack Jombardo
The Last Samurais
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:14:00 -
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By far NO.
There are some aspects that I don't like about CCP (like griffing axception) but that's part of this game.
They do respond with players (see the last not-changing-ship this patch).
They do interact with players (see eve-TV, eve-fanfest).
They are excepteble fast with bug-fixes and new patches (some could be faster but most are realy fast enough).
Crashing noods isn't CCPs fault as they don't tell 90% of the playbase to sit in Caldari-space ;).
As for the "bad-spamming" in channels - do you ever played HG:L? CCP does ban such spammers even if you don't get a note "we banned today XYZ for spamming".
And as long as Blizzard and EA are at buisness .... CCP will ever be one of the better companies (together with ArenaNet maybe) ;).
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
It's when you resorted to whining about griefers when you basically proved you're a douchebag and need to stop posting.
Also, making a second post about the same topic is fail and this should be locked. Use your first thread and stop spamming.
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo
By far NO.
By far YES. It's obvious you are new here by the stuff you mention.
Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Crashing noods isn't CCPs fault as they don't tell 90% of the playbase to sit in Caldari-space ;).
Yes, yes it's CCPs fault. CCP made caldari the easiest to kill rats with. CCP put the best agents in caldari space. CCP created the missionism mechanisms. CCP created the jump gate routes. CCP created the l4 as profitable or more as 0.0 situation. CCP created the situation where carebears have no reason or motivation to leave empire at all. CCP creates, players respond.
Originally by: Jack Jombardo
And as long as Blizzard and EA are at buisness .... CCP will ever be one of the better companies (together with ArenaNet maybe) ;).
I don't really care about blizzard or ea or whether ccp is worse than them. I care about ccp failing with eve over and over.
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Cygnus Scott
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:26:00 -
[39]
Template Response to Getting Flamed when using other Generic Whine Post Templates:
I'm not at surprised at all the fanbois who came to the rescue of <insert Company name here> in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanbois).
Let me further add to my argument that <insert Company name here> does not enforce their own rules. The <insert game region here> is over run with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and <insert Company name here> will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about <insert in-game currency name here> farmers and consumers...why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously <insert Company name here> doesn't after all, and this is a big portion of their bread and butter user base.
My point is <insert Company name here> will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanbois who will pay to accept the poor job <insert Company name here> is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does <insert unique feature of offending game here> matter? If your <insert Node, Shard or, Server here depending on game specific terminology> crashes you can't play. Maybe they should change <insert unique feature of offending game here> to provide a more stable lag free experience.
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanbois.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Manipulator General
Worst company out of every single company? Prolly not, tbh.
Fanboy!
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
Ouroboros Cross Combine
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:06:00 -
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I'm getting heavy readings on my troll-o-meter. In any event, my experience with CCP has been quite good and I very rarely get lag (though I avoid Jita and large-scale fleet stuff). As for macro-miners, I find it quite fun to mess with them, though I'd prefer they did not exist.
But seriously, "worst" company. Have you ever tried to resolve a computer problem with Dell? Ever had to contact EA for any reason? Don't get me started on Cablevision or Verizon.
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Fedaykin Zensunni
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:06:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Terail Zoqial
I'm not a fanboi, I have issues with CCP and eve but at the end of the day I am a customer.
You do realise that there are hundred of thousands of subs right?, you do realise CCP have finite resources, and also various issues such ask isk farmers need to be resolved with finite resources and without seriously messing up the game for the players.
This is definitely one of the smartest things that have been posted in this forum so far.
Anyways what the OP is doing here is assuming everyone is just like him and therefore had all the same experiences. I can understand how he would be frustrated but other than the lag issue he talked about everything else he posted only affects a small minority of the total player base. Now you might say "Well that's not true, there are tons of posts every day detailing CCP'S terrible customer service and how bad ISK farming is getting, so it must be happening to a majority of the players". Wrong, I would bet that a large portion of players don't even read or post on the forums and if you do check into it it's always the same people starting those posts and responding on them. Now since everyone loves to ***** about lag, and I know this has been brought up before, but instead of *****ing why don't you recommend some fixes? It seems a lot of people say they are some sort of computer specialist but no one can come up with a good solution other than to shard the server. So tell me OP what is your idea to stop lag? and don't be smart about it either. Remember what was stated earlier. CCP is no Microsoft, they only have limited amounts of money and people. I'm sure that if there was a player out there who could honestly give CCP a good resolution to the lag problem with costs and materials required I bet that they would look into it. They play the game just like everyone else so I'm sure they want a end to the lag as well. Oh and as for CCP providing terrible support, I work tech support for a computer company. Because that company is so lame I can't even post the name here without the risk of being fired, but they advertise with a piece of fruit. I can tell you right now we do half the amount of support CCP does. I used to work for tmobile as well and they are even worse. Count yourself lucky that CCP buts as much effort into their product that they do. It could be worse. Finally, when it all comes down to it, why don't you quit if you hate it so much. CCP may not read every post but I bet they would notice if their wallet started drying up
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 17/03/2008 17:11:37
Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 17/03/2008 17:10:44
worse companies
even worse
I'm not a fanboi, I'm someone with knowledge of that place outside the window. Get a grip.
Originally by: Death Kill
Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
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Erichk Knaar
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:11:00 -
[44]
Couldn't you have just kept your inane whining to the first thread you created?
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Danae Melios
Stair Fall
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:18:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
What advertising? All I see are the occassional banner ads online, I assume by companies that are involved with the Affiliate Program.
I have seen print and television ads for several games in mainstream venues, but I only heard about Eve Online through word of mouth. I see other ads featuring World of Warcraft by other companies such as Comcast (I think it is--plays a lot on SciFi Network). Pretty much everyone I know outside of Eve who plays this game found out from a couple of beta testers through word of mouth.
What mass advertising do you see?
Originally by: game box
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Cutter Isaacson
Hollow World Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:23:00 -
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FANBOI ALERT!!!!
I love this game and I made a huge mistake when I left. Now however I've seen sense and come back. I'm proud to say that I am a "Fanboi", I have tried WoW, EQ2 and a few others and none of them come close to the awesomeness of EVE.
What I can't understand is how the OP can whine about the problems that CCP have had with EVE. Sony are a massive company, with hundreds of millions of dollars to throw at their products and still they manage to screw things up. CCP, who started with virtually nothing in the monetary or technical sense, have managed to produce something that has set the benchmark for any future game of its kind.
CCP created EVE with sweat, blood and tears. No its not perfect, we know it's not and so do they, which is why they are always looking for ways to improve things. Players scream about nerfs, lag, blobs and other such things, which they are entitled to do, afterall we do pay CCP. But what we ALL need to remember is that EVE is like nothing else out there and when you are dealing with something that quite literally has no comparison, it will never be smooth sailing.
So if you don't like the game, do everyone here a favour and leave. If you can't be bothered to make any constructive or even polite comments then just go. Or, and here's a shocker, why not become a bug tester? Go on the test server and help test new functions before they are released, help CCP make this game even better.
There are choices that need to be made, by all of us. Your's are very simple: Either do what YOU can to improve things, or leave. But don't come in here with your "I hate EVE and it's Fanboi's" attitude, and expect things to change.
I'll put my flame suit on now, and wait for the replies.
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EvilChipmunk
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:25:00 -
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there is no reason ccp would want isk sellers, they get no money from them. You really think they pay for their sub with cash? And the problem is a lot more complicated then you would make it seem, ccp cant just press a button and all isk sellersare gone, they are very clever, using trial accounts and contracts to get the job done
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Wild Rho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:28:00 -
[48]
Sure everyone who doesn't agree with you is a fanboy, it couldn't possibly be that you're just wrong.
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Usagi Toshiro
Fringe Financial and Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:36:00 -
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Locked, rant? 
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Zantrei Kordisin
True Centii
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Sorry, who are you?
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:43:00 -
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Evidently CCP inadvertently FUBARed some peoples' comps with the boot.ini fiasco (I wasn't here for that); that's bad.
Sony compromised customers' security by knowingly and deliberately installing a rootkit without customers' knowledge; that's REAL, REAL BAD.
Therefore:
Sony is worse than CCP -> CCP is not the worst company -> thread over -> logic ftw/ where's my cookie?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:49:00 -
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After dealing with VIBES when I player Mankind, CCP are like a gift from heaven.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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SereneSally
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:49:00 -
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do you know what - i totally agree with the op!
Sorry but yes there are many many fanyboys out there that kiss serious CCP ass.
Dont say anything about CCP its not allowed!
And whats the usual lame response.. Go Play WoW ! Actually its a great game is WoW like it or not and with millions more players then it proves it. And please dont say its all kids cos its not i know many elders playing wow, actually Ive found that Eve has a very large kids player base - very large and personally its annoying as ****.
Anyway something more constructive like it or not.
Yes Eve has many griefers and some of the mechanics of the game allow them to do that.
However alot of these are documented and ppl have to realise that NO SPACE at all is safe.
yes the customer service aint great, i dont think CCP really listen to the players, or if they do its the big alliances.
The lag issue is an absolute joke it really is and years later it gets worse. Remove the one server crap it cant cope full stop, get over it - and move on to separate shards. This will also help other alliances to claim space in 0.0 etc etc especially now there are some big established alliances taking everything.
The gfx update hasnt imo done anything to improve the game infact the engine is so poor you have to turn off the decent effects to stop the lag!! And to only do a part update well the game still looks very outdated now.
There are some great things in eve, but those are shadowed by the crap things.
If you love the game how it is well good for you im happy that you feel that way - me personally i think it needs some significant improvement - cos after 4 years of playing it starts to grind a bit - i really thought trinity would make things better it hasnt.
but the ops true if ppl dont make a stand ccp wont do anything. but maybe alot of ppl are happy - would be nice to have an official poll or market research on this. How about a public poll CCP.
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:50:00 -
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I know it wierd, but some people don't have over high expectations of thier fellow human beings, so i'm not suprised at the ongoing rant/whine from the OP.
If the OP would like to draw up a concept, then a game design, then a business plan, get some programmers, graphic artists, web designers, i'm sure they could do a much better job because they obiously know how the world works and how to produce a bug free, lag free internet based mmo spaceship game. The banks would be clammering to throw thier money at such a project, especially if they know your company will answer every customers most pointless queries within minitues by thier GM staff, that they will modify their concept to comply with every tom, **** and harry's wish even if it falls outside what the OP considers his game should be.
Head/Arse, pull it out, you don't like the company and product, just walk away, take your $15 and go make your own game to your own standards, you never know you may get rich.
Every responsible being that plays this game knows its limitations and knows the limitations that being in the real world also place on the aspects surrounding the game. That is why there are not 100,000 people in the forum moaning 24/7, just a few sad feek's like your good self, now go stop a war or feed the starving ffs.
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nahtoh
Bull Industries
United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.03.17 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Edited by: Noxzema Jacson on 17/03/2008 15:52:55
Well it is refreshing to see more intelligent replies than fanboy flames this go around. Some ask..
1. What is unstable? Lets see.. node crashes, random freezes in a real-time environment which usually ends up in a loss. I think most of us understand this, its a shame that the fanboys try to cover the problem up. Again this probably could be solved if CCP invested some more dollars into additional servers and programmers to fix bugs. To people whom have been playing for years and have infinite resources a loss of a cruiser or battlecruiser is nothing, to someone less than 3 months such as loss is devastating.
2. What is poor service? I can't think of another service provider whom doesn't re-imburse you for downtime incurred by them. If your cell provider drops calls you will be re-imbursed for that time, if your DSL is out for a day for maintenance you will be re-imbursed for that time. When EVE is down for patches they should not count that company imposed downtime against our accounts.
3. Free expansions. What are they expanding..the solo player experience is non existant. The missions are painfully boring and the ai is nothing short of terrible. We all play to pvp either in combat or politics; isk farmers aside. I've never played WOW but from what I read its well worth the price if your into that type of game.
4. Why don't I just leave? Well I will when the bulk time I bought expires and if I do not have enough isk to get more. Until then I have paid good money to play and want too play.
My biggest beef is CCP is trying hard to get more exposure at the expense of ignoring issues. The game is intriguing just enough to make most of us bear with the issues. Thats fine and its a choice; in life nothing is perfect..but don't play fanboy and assert nothing is wrong; its not like CCP will stop you from PAYING to play their game if you speak out. What they will do is address the issues if enough of its client base speak out.
Hmmm lets see in all the time i have been playing (disregarding breaks call it 2.5 years).
Ships lost to node death=0
Ships lost to lag=maybe 4
Ships replaced=maybe 2 or 3?
Customer support lvl i have recived? Generally very high, never had a bad interaction with a GM. Once or twice its taken a while for a reply but that was purley down to the lvl of other petitions that hit them at that time (during witch there were forum posts explaining that the petition Q was very large and emails were sent out advising the petition was still live).
They have over the years massivly expanded the solo content avalible (which was nice of em), made it easir for new players etc.
You also are making a unfounded assumption about the resources of older players as well, for myself only I am generally ISK poor (but ok with resouces I guess but thats because I stockpile stuff).
Generally I put you in the whinney annoyance catergory of users (I work in CS myself and you would get the bare minimum of support from me based mearly on your posttings if I had to deal with you).
CCP have in the past refunded for lost playtime, but after the last time it happened a post on the forum from a dev explained why its rare and why its not something they would do on a regular basis, and it was a lot more going wrong then than there is now...
Once your subcription lapses pls GTF and don't return (personal opinion)...
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Edited by: goodby4u on 17/03/2008 18:03:07
Im not an ignorant fanboy and im displeased with ccp for a number of reasons, however, I dont believe ccp is the worst company out there because ive seen many, many worse situations.
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Sosus Red
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
One time a few years ago, I was in a .4 system hauling a bunch of zyd from one station to another and I got ambushed. Lost all that expensive ore, An entire bestower cargo hold worth. I was really upset....all that work down the drain so I said something I shouldnt have, I told the pirates that I hoped they got in a car wreck. Kinda stupid yeah.
15 minutes I later I get a chat request from GM so and so...
so dont say CCP does not do anything.
You sound like a Bitter bitter man...
I have gripes too. Ive had the same research agent since 2004....never once got an offer. Now theres something to gripe about. Maube I'll quit the game because of it and start a big thread...twice!
j/k
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Hermosa Diosas
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:13:00 -
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Lol i love these posts - fanboys get soooo upset.
Look there are serious issues with Eve - admit it - you wont get killed theres nothing wrong with saying they are problems.
And im shocked to see so many ppl so happy to spend their money and not admit there are problems.
But for all those ppl who say just leave, well some ppl have invested alot of time and money and cant just leave and CCP know that.
Its the new players who will come and go thats no doubt. They find a very buggy game, the lag is the worse problem and then they will leave simple as.
Id like to see that stats on trail accounts converted into real accounts and kept open for longer than 6 months.
Anyway I digress, there are a few new Space MMOS on the horizon, so maybe in the near future CCP will have rivals and they will have to buck their ideas up. At the moment there is nothing else like eve to go to, so they have the niche market.
Eves got some very nice features, but its too much like a number crunching game a bit like say one of those strategy war games. Not too great to look at but very deep.
Its a niche game and not many ppl will like it thats why we have other games to play. its like marmite you either love it or hate it. with all its problems i prob would still subscribe as ive spent alot of time and money building up my char, however I am not happy with the constant problems and it is starting to get me annoyed so sometimes ill just not play the game but keep training.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:13:00 -
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OP, why did you feel it needed to create two threads about the fact that you are quitting and using fifth-grade level hyperbole? I suspect that you're not actually quitting, you just want CCP/GMs to pay attention to you.
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Hermosa Diosas
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
One time a few years ago, I was in a .4 system hauling a bunch of zyd from one station to another and I got ambushed. Lost all that expensive ore, An entire bestower cargo hold worth. I was really upset....all that work down the drain so I said something I shouldnt have, I told the pirates that I hoped they got in a car wreck. Kinda stupid yeah.
15 minutes I later I get a chat request from GM so and so...
so dont say CCP does not do anything.
You sound like a Bitter bitter man...
I have gripes too. Ive had the same research agent since 2004....never once got an offer. Now theres something to gripe about. Maube I'll quit the game because of it and start a big thread...twice!
j/k
A FEW YEARS AGO!!! Are you serious yes thats when there were like 10K max ppl on. That doesnt happen now and hasnt for years!!
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Hans Rex
Federation of Traders and Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:19:00 -
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I get it. Everyone who disagrees with you, is simply a fanboi. OK, then I'm a fanboi. Go wipe your nose, turn of your computer, and go to bed.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Rex
I get it. Everyone who disagrees with you, is simply a fanboi. OK, then I'm a fanboi. Go wipe your nose, turn of your computer, and go to bed.
I'm waiting for him to call Xaen a fanboy, that would be awesome.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:34:00 -
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Locked
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Something Random
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:36:00 -
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These posts have been the worst drivel i've ever had the displeasure to click on.
What the hell are you after ? everyone to agree and leave on mass ?
Does it hurt this didn't happen the first time so your pitching in for the second attempt.
I still enjoy the game. I get the odd crash. Sometimes i die, or make a bit of isk, have a chat with a few people, laugh, go to bed... oh you know! all the usuals.
Now **** off and find a game you enjoy and stop making me want to punch you.
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