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Noxzema Jacson
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:47:00 -
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I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
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facepalm johnson
a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:49:00 -
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Wow, are you still going on about something?
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Zerena Draco
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:55:00 -
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OP go play Hellgate London and you will come back praying to CCP like they be gods haha...
Sure CCP got problems with their product but alot of them has been demanded by the players. The more people to satiesfy the harder it is to keep everyone happy.
btw I am no fanboy but ur statement is just wrong
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knifee
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:56:00 -
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its true! sequels really do just get worse and worse.
www.eve-dev.net - making a good thing better
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Father Dibbles
Self Aggrandisement Society
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
then nothing will change.
...... the way you want it to?
They are constantly changing the game to fix the lag issue, they are even getting a superserver (or computer?) built for them. What do you do in EVE, just sit about moaning and sighing?
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking
Has EVE been unkind to you? It has hasn't it.... Come to Dodixie and mission run for a while.....
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Growler667
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
First up, I am certainly no fanboy. I think CCP has ****** up in several ways over the years and, to be honest, I've not forgiven them yet for many of them.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
What do you suggest? Have a team of GMs monitoring petitions regarding hurt feelings instead of juggling load balancing problems that everyone else screams about? An optional language filter might be an idea, but I'm not sure what else could be done.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
Personally I don't really care about isk farmers. They've been around for a few years now and the economy's fine. People seem to be in a mindset about them and aren't looking at the situation objectively anymore. Saying that the farmers are the bread and butter userbase is just ******** though - farmers farm because people buy their isk, so we can conclude that there is (at the very least) enough "other" users to keep the demand going. Factor in the people who don't buy the isk (the majority) and it's obvious that the farmers are definitely a minority.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
Stop falling back to the fanboy thing and make your points without the attitude - you'll get taken much more seriously.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
This I kinda agree on. I played Eve as my only MMO for about 2-3 years, then gave WoW a try. The lack of lag and such was a real eye-opener. Being on a single server is nice - very nice, really - but Eve has been teetering on the edge of unplayability via lag for some time. The hardware upgrades are just about holding it together, but the fact that lag has now been accepted as part of the game is a very damning sign. It should be an absolutely exceptional circumstance that causes death by lag.
Originally by: Noxema Jacson As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
See, I think you made some good points. It's a shame you had to spoil the post with the insults.
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OwlManAtt
Yasashii Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:59:00 -
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Quote: So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor)
I have never had a bad experience with a GM. They are always polite and helpful to me. It might have something to do with the fact that I don't misfile things as 'Stuck' petitions when my problem has nothing to do with being stuck, or that I don't expect to get ships back by crying to the GMs when Something Goes Wrong.
Quote: stability of the game (poor)
Not the best, I agree. I'm abhorred by the fact that the Blob Problem(tm) is not being dealt with in the short-term while they engineer their (very) long term fix. I didn't like how long it took them to fix a bunch of stability issues in the Mac client. But it works well enough most of the time for me.
Quote: and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
How do you measure this against other companies? What do you consider an acceptable level of customer value? Do you know of any small software vendors that have their developers (who get paid to develop software) sit on forums all day and reply to the same points time and time again?
I don't know of any, and I don't expect CCP's engineers to do it.
Quote: My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
Correct. They have plenty of people willing to pay for the 'poor job' that they are doing. That implies to me that the job they are doing is not as 'poor' as you would imply.
Does EVE have problems? Yes. Plenty of them. But does EVE work well enough? Yes. I'll keep paying and playing alongside the other 40k+ people who think the game works well enough. I like my internets spaceships. If you really find CCP's product and services to be so sub-par, you aren't going to fix anything by paying them every month. Vote with yer wallet! --- SVP OwlManAtt, Yasashii Syndicate |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Personally, the fact that CCP allow non-consensual PvP even in Empire is part of the reason I play this game. Long may it continue! Jihadswarm, Privateers and suicide gankers are both necessary and amusing.
As for racist remarks, you can petition abusive or racist langauge: they are specifically disallowed by the EULA. But YOU have to do it. CCP don't pay someone to watch every single local channel in the game in case someone hurts your feelings.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
sesanti
Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:00:00 -
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Man, if you hate the game so much and CCP what are you still doing here stirring up the pot?
I mean, I don't like Second Life for example. You won't see me into their forums *****ing and whining as to why Second Life is not a Spaceship game with non-consentual PVP but something completely different. I simply left the game when I found it boring. Why keep *****ing around? Why why why? Explain that to me? Why whine in the first place? The game is what the designers had in mind, and the people that play it like the game. I assume no one is so massochist as to play something they hate, but you might prove me wrong.
Seriously, quit it. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster -
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Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:02:00 -
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Have you ever tried washing up without using washing-up liquid? Could you clean a pot or a pan without using a scrubbing brush, a sponge or a scouring pad?
The first thing to say is that this is definitely not pyramid selling, OK? Right. Good...
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:04:00 -
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"This I kinda agree on. I played Eve as my only MMO for about 2-3 years, then gave WoW a try. The lack of lag and such was a real eye-opener. Being on a single server is nice - very nice, really - but Eve has been teetering on the edge of unplayability via lag for some time. The hardware upgrades are just about holding it together, but the fact that lag has now been accepted as part of the game is a very damning sign. It should be an absolutely exceptional circumstance that causes death by lag."
I was in a ~100 vs 100 fleet battle a couple of times this weekend just gone. It was kinda laggy, but we have a good FC who gave us very helpful orders concerning our overviews, so although the lag was definitely noticeable, it was manageable. Call it about 5-10 fps once the grid loaded, which took about 15 seconds.
Also had some good fights in lo-sec: a 4 vs 10 and a 7 vs 9, neither of which were at all laggy. Lost 2 ravens, but not to lag but because we attacked larger gangs to see if we could take 'em. Yarr!
I stayed the hell out of Jita, Motsu, Dodoxie and NOL. No matter what CCP do, those systems will be laggy because people cram into them until the lag is 1 notch short of unbearable.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
EVE was a fantastic game, but with one big flaw; It has a fundamental bottleneck that will kill the game in the end, and thats the inability to distribute the workload of a single system to multiple processors (=lag).
That, coupled with overpopulated space, capital ships becoming "standard" combat ships (cap blobs), gatecamping and a lack off places to go, WILL kill this game.
CCP in itself, as a company, have done a pretty good job though setting the standards for future game titles to live up to.
EVE (and CCP) was the best thing to have happened for the MMO market. We all know now that a single server, 100% loot, PvP focused game, with a player driven market, actually can work.
If you can make a game with the fundamental principles of EVE Online, without the "bad" stuff that came with it (lag, lack of space, cap blobs, etc) you have a future MMO kick-ass game that ppl will love.
And we can only thank CCP for that.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |
Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
What is poor about the customer service, and what company do you use to compare them with?
What is not stable about the game, except for fleet fights, but there is no other game you can compare this with because those all fail so hard at putting a lot of players in 1 fight that they just don't do it at all.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Let me further add to my argument that CCP does not enforce theyre own rules. The empire is overun with 'griefers' not only ganking but spewing racist remarks and hateful messages and CCP will do nothing about it despite their own strict policies.
Which of their rules don't they follow?
If someone makes a racist remark then petition it and the person will get warned / banned. (did this plenty of times and it works like a charm)
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
Lets talk about ISK farmers and consumers.. why all the hate? Why do you all care, obviously CCP doesn't afterall this is a big portion of thier bread and butter user base.
My point is CCP will not adjust their business practices until the client community dictates that they do. As long as their are fanboys who will pay to accept the poor job CCP is doing then nothing will change.
What do you suggest to solve this problem??.... aah right that's what i tought, NOTHING.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
By the way what the heck does being able to host 40k+ players on a single server matter.. if your node crashes you can't play. Maybe they should spread the client base over several servers to provide a more stable lag free experience.
I never have problems with lag, only in really large fleet fights and in jita, so if you got some lag in other aspects of the game i would suggest you check your ISP first.
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked
I never have problems with lag, only in really large fleet fights and in jita, so if you got some lag in other aspects of the game i would suggest you check your ISP first.
Heh. Good one. ... you weren't serious were you?
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
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Pan Crastus
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
What lag? Their logs show no lag.
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Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Anyway, 41k people online. CCP must be doing something right.
Like mass advertising to cram as many trial players on the server as possible, 99% of which will leave again after the trial is over due to the lag...
Noobs in empire don't experience much lag except in the biggest market hubs and/or lvl 4 mission running systems (and noobs dont do lvl 4s).
The biggest reason to why they are leaving (i think) is that there ain't much places to go and explore.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |
MACCHES
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:25:00 -
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The only reason anyone would rail this hard against CCP is that they have never in their lives experienced SOEs groundbreaking, revolutionary attitude towards their Online Gamer communities.
Compared to SOE, herein refered to as 'Others', CCP have worked hard to keep EVE on a level pegging. By introducing new components into the game, by tweaking the game mechanics, by doing their best to provide a single-server oriented galactic experience (unlike ANY other), they stand out among the MMOg providers.
From personal experience with the Others, I learned that there would be little a very angry fanbase, or an infinite amount of forum-warring would do to change the Others mind with regards to where they want to take the game.
Remember, the Others brought us SWG (started with promise) and then cataclysmically botched it. They are also responsible for Planetside (which is so bugged and biased I dont know where to start) and the Ever-popular-Quest (my experience with EQ2 is limited to afew months, and the game worked well, with regular content updates and stable servers).
Cut CCP an arm-length of slack, they have a rare perspective on MMOGs and work hard to maintain the uniqueness. Perhaps not always hard enough from where we're sitting, but then we're End-Users, so not in a position to judge.
Yaarrggh! --------------------------- **Insert Pirate-themed remark** |
Esmenet
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Why are you still here?
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Ohmebius
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:26:00 -
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OP- try entropia universe? you want lack of communications and bad customer service! CCP rock compared to them.
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happomaagi
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:27:00 -
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I've witnessed a contractor deliver a power plant with less competence than CCP does Eve, but disagreeing with you clearly makes me a fanboy, so there's nothing to argue here really.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:30:00 -
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Fact: your posts stinks bigtime.
I wont bother comment it more then that. Its simply not worth it. And the so-called facts are not even close to a half-truth.
Anyway: if you dont like the game, get the hell out of it! There is no reason you should dump this thrashdump on the forums just because you dont like it!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Fact: your posts stinks bigtime.
Fact: posts stink less than eve atm. Even goon posts.
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Anyway: if you dont like the game, get the hell out of it! There is no reason you should dump this thrashdump on the forums just because you dont like it!
That works both ways. If you don't like the posts, don't read them.
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Kolwrath
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Well that paragraph pretty much shot your credibility down the tubes. If you want to be taken seriously then don't talk like a enraged 14 year old. All that does is make you look like a forum troll.
If you have complaints about CCP, address them in a professional and polite manner. You will get alot farther that this sort of fud.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
You really need to grow up ...
(yes I am serious ... this kind of childish remark does *not* help you)
I call troll ...
Originally by: Chaos Space Marines
Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
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Fergus Nuada
Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:41:00 -
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No CCP aren't the worst company, to answer your question. Does that make me a fanboi?
CCP provides me with hours of entertainment, and has made me friends I wouldn't have otherwise. Does THAT now make me a fanboi?
At what point do I cross this mysterious line that turns me into a fanboi?
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Tafari Che
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
Don't you mean, "even those of people who disagree with me"? Just calling people fanboys doesn't make em less right about the point they're making.
also you are pathetic and immature and I'm sure you'll not be missed.
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Arvald
Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fergus Nuada No CCP aren't the worst company, to answer your question. Does that make me a fanboi?
CCP provides me with hours of entertainment, and has made me friends I wouldn't have otherwise. Does THAT now make me a fanboi?
At what point do I cross this mysterious line that turns me into a fanboi?
when you say that your opinions are different from his ---------------------------------------------
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Pan Crastus
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson I'm not at suprised at all the fanboys who came to the rescue of CCP in my first post. So we agree to disagree on the quality of customer service (poor), the stability of the game (poor), and whether or not our business is valued (they don't care about us cause they got fanboys).
Well that paragraph pretty much shot your credibility down the tubes. If you want to be taken seriously then don't talk like a enraged 14 year old. All that does is make you look like a forum troll.
If you have complaints about CCP, address them in a professional and polite manner. You will get alot farther that this sort of fud.
Originally by: Noxzema Jacson
As always I look forward to reading your responses, even those of the ignorant fanboys.
You really need to grow up ...
(yes I am serious ... this kind of childish remark does *not* help you)
I call troll ...
How old do you think do your rude ad hominem attacks in your otherwise content-free post make you look?
The OP has valid points, you are obviously just trolling this thread to get it locked due to flaming.
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Noxzema Jacson
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Noxzema Jacson on 17/03/2008 15:52:55 Well it is refreshing to see more intelligent replies than fanboy flames this go around. Some ask..
1. What is unstable? Lets see.. node crashes, random freezes in a real-time environment which usually ends up in a loss. I think most of us understand this, its a shame that the fanboys try to cover the problem up. Again this probably could be solved if CCP invested some more dollars into additional servers and programmers to fix bugs. To people whom have been playing for years and have infinite resources a loss of a cruiser or battlecruiser is nothing, to someone less than 3 months such as loss is devastating.
2. What is poor service? I can't think of another service provider whom doesn't re-imburse you for downtime incurred by them. If your cell provider drops calls you will be re-imbursed for that time, if your DSL is out for a day for maintenance you will be re-imbursed for that time. When EVE is down for patches they should not count that company imposed downtime against our accounts.
3. Free expansions. What are they expanding..the solo player experience is non existant. The missions are painfully boring and the ai is nothing short of terrible. We all play to pvp either in combat or politics; isk farmers aside. I've never played WOW but from what I read its well worth the price if your into that type of game.
4. Why don't I just leave? Well I will when the bulk time I bought expires and if I do not have enough isk to get more. Until then I have paid good money to play and want too play.
My biggest beef is CCP is trying hard to get more exposure at the expense of ignoring issues. The game is intriguing just enough to make most of us bear with the issues. Thats fine and its a choice; in life nothing is perfect..but don't play fanboy and assert nothing is wrong; its not like CCP will stop you from PAYING to play their game if you speak out. What they will do is address the issues if enough of its client base speak out. |
Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:52:00 -
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Didn't you leave yet?
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