Originally by: Depp Knight

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Goons are calling a 'stalemate' which means, 'please ccp, nerf cyno jammers'

The way i see it. There is no stalemate and there is a long way to go.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Rudi Storm

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.

1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.

If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?

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The US had a goal to "spread democracy" in Vietnam. They failed.

Does that mean that from that point on they can never ever win again?

When will you draw a line between now and back then?

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.

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So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 10:59:59

Originally by: Yorda

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I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.

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So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.

Originally by: Yorda

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Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.

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Im sure those RA capital pilots from the other day will be glad to hear that pal. But i must say thats an interesting definition of dead considering your comment below.

Originally by: Yorda

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Call me if BOB ever manage to take a cynojammed system off us

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So by your measure your dead as well cos your hiding from BOB behind those poorly designed game mechanics as you call them. Nobody told me i would have sent flowers.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Rudi Storm

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Originally by: Yorda

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Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.

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Hiding?

The only thing I see of being static / hiding in Delve is you inside QY6. And even there you are being killed when BoB has some spare time.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.

1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.

If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?

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Personally one of the things i liked about BOB was the fact that they were willing to make such outrageous claims and enjoy doing it while watching all the goonie and BOB haters turn it into a rallying cry. Even now years later seeing ppl using these quotes and waving them around like banners just goes to show how much influence BOB had and still has over so many ppls game play and opinions.


You're all owned.

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So you're saying that you believe that BoB just made up the outrage about Smoske to get a good fight? Interesting.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: TWD

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The most obvious answer that BoB has just been playing very good is of course wrong.

It's due to broken game mechanics, cheating, exploiting and all other things that can be used as an excuse because the coalition simply does not make mistakes. The coalition has the best leaders and the best PvPers.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: TWD

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The most obvious answer that BoB has just been playing very good is of course wrong.

It's due to broken game mechanics, cheating, exploiting and all other things that can be used as an excuse because the coalition simply does not make mistakes. The coalition has the best leaders and the best PvPers.

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I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.

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Exactly, those BoB guys don't know how to play fair!

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Doctor Oda

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The day the devs design game mechanic that benifit you and not the others will you come here and drip?

No wait, you use lag, yet no dripping?

You failed, get over it.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.

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And yet you failed to show ASCN, D2, RA and all the other TITAN owners in EVE to do it.

You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had almost as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.

But did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?. NO!

Did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them?. NO!

You ran too CCP crying for a nerf that made 0.0 space holding about spamming fleet after fleet of morons.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 12:11:37

Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.

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And yet you failed to show ASCN, D2, RA and all the other TITAN owners in EVE to do it.

You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had almost as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.

But did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?. NO!

Did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them?. NO!

You ran too CCP crying for a nerf that made 0.0 space holding about spamming fleet after fleet of morons and now with the cynojammer issue your doing it again.
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erm .....erm ...we.. erm... erm.

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fixed

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 12:27:28

Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 12:11:37

Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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And yet you failed to show ASCN, D2, RA and all the other TITAN owners in EVE to do it.

You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had almost as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.

But did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?. NO!

Did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them?. NO!

You ran too CCP crying for a nerf that made 0.0 space holding about spamming fleet after fleet of morons and now with the cynojammer issue your doing it again.
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erm .....erm ...we.. erm... erm.

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fixed

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ACSN and D2 didn't even have cynojammers, and how are we meant to use bob's tactic of hiding behind cynojammers to beat them? How does having a huge capital fleet help at all when you cant get the capital fleet in the same system as enemy titans?

Atleast windypop's trolls make sense.

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1. I was referring to your attitude of "if its hard run to ccp for a nerf" as you well know but im not surprised you avoided the point.

2. You guys have posted how BOB has taken zero systems off you and keeps failing to take QY6 so you are both hiding by your measure of the jammer issue.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Malaphar

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Well , from my point of view , BoB's tactics in QY6 are very succesful :

- 2 or 3 times a day , roaming gangs that kill everything in sight there! Effect : NO mining, NO ratting , NO nothing left for Goons and Co. to do there.These roaming gangs kill the economy of a system as the inhabitants of that system have only 2 choices : undock and die or just stay docked , that's IF there's a station there!
- Follow up of this tactic , on short and medium term , will result in more and more Goons and Co. leaving the system.After all , everybody needs to make some ISK , especially when you continuously lose assets.
- In the end , there will be nobody or too few left to defend that system , therefore BoB will take it back with little or NO effort at all.

Honestly , who will accept , on long term , to just sit hidden in a dangerous system and die whenever he decides to show up?

Yours trully ,

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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1. I was referring to your attitude of "if its hard run to ccp for a nerf" as you well know but im not surprised you avoided the point.

2. You guys have posted how BOB has taken zero systems off you and keeps failing to take QY6 so you are both hiding by your measure of the jammer issue.

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Wait... so now we are using bob's tactics to beat them? Back peddle more.

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Actually as per your posting you have done nothing to beat them for a couple of months now unless you count them not taking QY6(and you seem to).

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 12:59:30

Originally by: Yorda

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Point me to the part where we didn't take multiple regions from BoB and they took space from us.

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Well considering you are supposed to be on the offensive id say the parts where you did not take multiple regions from BOB are called : january, febuary and most of march so far.

Amazing is'nt it that as soon as a lot of the coalition bail and failswarm is almost solo that suddenly the game is broken.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Malaphar

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Originally by: Yorda

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If only we didn't have multiple other regions to mine / rat in and a way of instantly getting back to qy6. Ohwai-

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Well , it's not that simple actually , as I am sure your mates already feel it!

The same situation happened with the deceased KoS Alliance :

- KoS were professional carebears , all they did the whole day was ratting and mining.Thanks to the JB network they had , they were also able to instantly move from 10-12 jumps away to any of their systems in Tenerifis.Nevertheless , the moment an AAA pilot showed up in a system of theirs , they immediately docked or went to POS or simply logged.When the threat was gone , they went back to their usual job.Until these AAA roaming gangs became too often : 3-4 times per day , for at least 1 hour.Soon , KoS's economy started to suffer seriously.Combined with KoS lack of PvP abilities , AAA just had to hotdrop once and the entire KoS Alliance disbanded.

Of course to a very different extent and with very a different result (I'm sure GoonSwarm will not disband because of QY6 ) , this is what will happen in QY6 as well....At least from my point of view.

Yours trully ,

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Malaphar

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Originally by: Yorda

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No one rats in qy6 because it's got 6 belts and a terrible true sec, it's much better to rat in another system with good true sec and no hostiles within 20-30odd jumps. And I was refering to jump cloneing not jump bridges.

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I see....well , if this is the case , then I think the Goons and Co. which are still there will leave that system even sooner , as it has NO importance to them , other than a poor strategical importance for Goonswarm leadership (a system in Delve).
But of course , time will tell!

Yours trully ,

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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Point me to the part where we didn't take multiple regions from BoB and they took space from us.

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Well considering you are supposed to be on the offensive id say the parts where you did not take multiple regions from BOB are called : january, febuary and most of march so far.

Amazing is'nt it that as soon as a lot of the coalition bail and failswarm is almost solo that suddenly the game is broken.

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Oh right, only january, february, and two weeks in march count, and of course QY6 doesn't count. The game being broken is why the coalition is riding bikes and leaving deadtear to defend qy6 solo.

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QY6 is not a region and you have taken nothing for almost the first quarter of this year, but then i do not consider that BOB is winning because of these little details you seem so eager to dismiss.

But the truth is that you are not winning either nor were you even when you got your capital ships into NOL and that is because you want CCP to make it easy for you (again) so you and your allies do not need to risk your caps and super caps too much.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Yorda

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It's harder to take regions off people when they dont even have an entire region left, c/d?

Also, where are you getting this not having to risk caps and super caps?

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It was your idea to use regions as a yard stick pal if your now saying it was a stupid thing to do cos they only have one left then......

GOONS have never had much of a large capital fleet and lets face it you have only just recently put up reasonably sized BS fleets but you have always expected your allies to bring and be willing to lose theirs.

I know myself and others left coalition members because i was sick of lag but also because a lot of us were sick of losing high value BS and capital ships so GOONS could gain a bit if space for flying crap.

A lot of the coalition members did not bail because they thought BOB could not be beaten with cyno jammers and titans they did it because they were sick of losing ships and fleets to win the war and gain space for you clowns some of us just figured it out sooner than the others who are stupid and greedy.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Q1. It's harder to take regions off people when they dont even have an entire region left, c/d?

My original answer you avoided plus another;

It was your idea to use regions as a yard stick pal if your now saying it was a stupid thing to do cos they only have one left then......


A1. [DENIED] Of course its easier to take part of a region from somebody than several (ok unless the guys doing all the work bail of course)


Q2. Also, where are you getting this not having to risk caps and super caps?.

My original answer you avoided;

GOONS have never had much of a large capital fleet and lets face it you have only just recently put up reasonably sized BS fleets but you have always expected your allies to bring and be willing to lose theirs. I know myself and others left coalition members because i was sick of lag but also because a lot of us were sick of losing high value BS and capital ships so GOONS could gain a bit if space for flying crap.

A lot of the coalition members did not bail because they thought BOB could not be beaten with cyno jammers and titans they did it because they were sick of losing ships and fleets to win the war and gain space for you clowns some of us just figured it out sooner than the others who are stupid and greedy.


I avoid nothing you just ignore it because you do not have an answer to it.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Shamharoth

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I rarely post on the boards, but what I can tell is that Failswarm is actually losing any remnants of good PR thanks to Yorda. Thank GOD for CAOD cleaner (whoever made it, You're my hero).

To the topic: why can't You (Yorda) answer the question: when was the game mechanics broken when You invaded NOL? Where were the omgnowtfpwning titans? Oh wait, they were bloody russian! Or wait... let me see... 319? Did the Blood Raiders get sov 3 and put up an NPC cynojammer? Oh wait, the russians dropped a titan there!

Hm... I must be wrong, cause it seems You're posting bs in incredible quantities.

Sorry for being rude, but I'm just fed up with reading this thread spammed by ppl doing some crappy propaganda.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat

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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube

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Originally by: Garia666

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By surviving they will recieve even more respect then any other alliance.
They will be the only alliance who stood and faught and won.

They will be what they stand for. A band of brothers..

Respect

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BoB will forever be the ones who had a CCP employee give them stuff. Squeezing their entire alliance into a single system to prevend being destroyed is not new either.

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When you say single system I assume you mean almost entire region. And get over T20, if you're still bringing it up you're either a goon or someone else grasping at straws. It was a year ago. A year ago. You can't keep using it as an excuse to hate bob, sorry. "yes I can Jordan!!!!!" lame.... Ya people always accused bob of being devs even before T20, just like some have accused goons of now that they've won 2 or 3 fights. Get over yourself, sometimes this or that alliance is just better than you, or having a super day.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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BOB has been defending for that long against well over 2-1 odds and are still neither dead or have lost all their space in fact they have succeeded in holding some their space against great odds and managed to disrupt morale in the coalition so much it has lost a lot of its membership.

So like i said earlier i do not consider BOB to be winning (yet) but neither have/are you for the first quarter of this year and your are supposed to be on the offensive and self proclaimed logistical and diplomatic geniuses.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Nekumi

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Which nerf?

Anyway I think BoB do deserve a lot of credit for everything they've achieved. I don't think that's ever been in dispute. At the end of it though it doesn't really matter how many props you get one way or another.

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The one that allowed the coalition to take space from them or if you prefer the one that stopped them from taking space from the coalition.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:09:53

Originally by: Yorda

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The one that ended the reign of the indestructible fleet-soloing titans? But bob are such elite pvpers, a single ship or two shouldn't effect their entire strategy.

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You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.

Q. You have claimed to be diplomatic, logistical and tactical geniuses, but did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?.

A. NO!

Q. You claim that BOB had a dev leading their cap fleets, but even if that is true the fact is I’ve seen monkeys in London zoo imitate ppl after only a few tries, so did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them or matched them in every ship class?.

A. NO!

Q. What did you do?.

A. You ran too CCP crying for a nerf.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Can you not read?.

As i said nothing is or was stopping you from using those tactics as even monkeys from London zoo can mimic ppl. You were losing until the titan nerf because you were either too stupid to use BOB's tactics, unable to develop your own or too afraid of using and risking losing high isk value ships or imho all three, so you cried too ccp for a nerf instead.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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And yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:42:45

Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: maralt

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To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.

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They didn't, which is why we're in delve not tenerifis.

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How was that dinner you planned on board your flag ship?, i hear the weather in NOL was a bit stormy and sank your fleet.

The indigestion sounds awful as all i have heard for the first quarter of this year is empty rumblings from you.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:47:46

Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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And yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.

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What happened to answering everything? You're not even trying anymore.

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I added 3 words on the front of my post as you missed the rest in your haste to avoid the content, care to comment on the bit you ignored?.

Yes thats one, and yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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