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The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:30:00 - [1] Please to make for better shield tanking in Hulks - please to gief more mid slot. Your thoughts please. ------ THE TX
Frances Ducoir Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:34:00 - [2] have your mid. i dont care about mining barges and mining anyway snip Signiture remoted because it contained profanity - hutch
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:35:00 - [3] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 18/03/2008 09:37:11 They DO tank incredibly poorly I find considering their cost. I always figured they should have the same sort of tank as DSTs, which with the right fittings can tank better than most Battleships. (but become useless at actually hauling things) Only problem with that, is they'd no longer be inherently suicide-gankable by a single ship. IMO it should still take some compromise of your precious mining yield to defend against that (DCU, whatnot) ...
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Rawr Cristina They DO tank incredibly poorly I find considering their cost. I always figured they should have the same sort of tank as DSTs, which with the right fittings can tank better than most Battleships. (but become useless at actually hauling things) I've had a search around the forums for Hulk setups, and there's people who reckon you can tank rats in non-true-0.0 systems quite well. I've also enquired about how good the tank could be if you have a gang where someone is using the shield boosting mods - this should allow the Hulks to take quite a punch methinks, but it would still be good if Hulks had an extra mid slot. I reckon there could be more low-sec miners kicking about if Hulks were boosted. Methinks that more people would go to low-sec, and pirates would try chasing them around a bit, but because of slightly-reduced risk to the miners, the rewards may be more tempting. ------ THE TX
Thenoran The People's Liberation Army	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:43:00 - [5] Boost the Mackinaw first before talking about the Hulk ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Sha4d13 State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:47:00 - [6] Why on earth should a mining barge tank like a battleship? Seriously... If you need guarding whilst mining- get a guard. Though it is a fact that a well setup and fitted Hulk can tank a lot of 0.0 spawns anyway.
Eol Galathil EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Eol Galathil on 18/03/2008 09:49:06 Why I was tanking a triple battleship spawn only the other day, even managed to tank dual 1.8ml bounty battleships (in a -0.8 system iirc). Of course they take a while to kill and unless you have the patience to tank the battleship spawns until they expire you will find you need a corp mate to come and kill them off so that you can haul. Or have a corp mate haul for you of course. It can easily be done and isn't expensive considering the money to be made mining in 0.0, I would imagine empire miners to be apprehensive about giving up their cargo rig slots or their second T2 mining upgrade as you cannot fit 2 of these on a shield tanking hulk (not mine anyway)
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:48:00 - [8] Edited by: cal nereus on 18/03/2008 09:50:17 Honestly, I can't find a reason not to give the Hulk just one more mid-slot, assuming the grid and CPU remain unchanged. It wouldn't make killing Hulks any more difficult for most players would it? On the other hand, is it really worth changing? It is just a mining ship after all. In most cases you would have a dedicated tank in the belt with you to handle NPCs (although a properly fitted Hulk can personally tank most spawns anyways), and players piloting the current Hulks have had no trouble defending themselves against other players by thinking ahead. I recall one Hulk pilot killing several would-be gankers that thought he was easy meat. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Marcus TheMartin Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 18/03/2008 09:37:11 They DO tank incredibly poorly I find considering their cost. I always figured they should have the same sort of tank as DSTs, which with the right fittings can tank better than most Battleships. (but become useless at actually hauling things) Only problem with that, is they'd no longer be inherently suicide-gankable by a single ship. IMO it should still take some compromise of your precious mining yield to defend against that (DCU, whatnot) But they do mine great for what they cost after the inital investment
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:08:00 - [10] Exhumers are supposed to be "deep space" miners, so why shouldn't they be able to tank 0.0 rats? If a BC can do it, why not an Exhumer? PS - Exhumers are not "Barges", barges are barges PPS - For those who say "get a guard", thats like saying you should need a second account to rat in 0.0 PPPS - CCP should nerf module refine rates, there is NO reason someone should not be able to make 30 mil an hour mining in 0.0 SOLO, just like ppl make 30 mil an hour ratting in 0.0 solo. Mining is such a boring and unprofitable profession, it really does warrant some love.

Kestrix Advanced Capital Ship Designs Hephaestus Rising	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Cipher7 Exhumers are supposed to be "deep space" miners, so why shouldn't they be able to tank 0.0 rats? If a BC can do it, why not an Exhumer? PS - Exhumers are not "Barges", barges are barges PPS - For those who say "get a guard", thats like saying you should need a second account to rat in 0.0 PPPS - CCP should nerf module refine rates, there is NO reason someone should not be able to make 30 mil an hour mining in 0.0 SOLO, just like ppl make 30 mil an hour ratting in 0.0 solo. Mining is such a boring and unprofitable profession, it really does warrant some love. Hulks can tank 0.0 rats. Instead of a mid slot give the Hulk an extra high slot for a mining foreman link - laser optimization
CRUSH BOSS BigMek Industries GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:36:00 - [12] exta midslot - ?? - now why would you wantan extra mid slot . Empire is safe as houses to mine...... HAHAHA We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE Don't troll in your signature please. -Hango
HenkieBoy Enrave	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:39:00 - [13] Hulks are very good tanks.. They can tank triple 1.8M bounty Battleship rats with support. BUT it all depends on the shield booster fitted. I know somebody who has the best small shield booster in the game and he can tank every rat spawn in the game possible in belts. Typical med slot fitting would be: * Small shield Booster * 2x Shield Hardners (type depends on the damage done by rats) * 1x Cap recharger The problem lies in the ammount of shield hulks have, it has no buffer. One error and your dead. Another thing is the ammount of cap used by the strip miners. If you mine in 0.0 you have to activate your miners 45 sec appart or else your cap is drained and your shield booster will fail. I would like an extra med slot also so I can equip a roid scanner.. problem is though, you can also fit other things that would make the hulk too powerfull. I hope CCP will make a new mining series.. something between a hulk and a rorqual. The mining department needs love. Oh.. and a NON modulated T2 strip mining lasers plz!!
Gorgeous Ge0rge The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Gorgeous Ge0rge on 18/03/2008 10:45:18 Originally by: Cipher7 PPS - For those who say "get a guard", thats like saying you should need a second account to rat in 0.0 PPPS - CCP should nerf module refine rates, there is NO reason someone should not be able to make 30 mil an hour mining in 0.0 SOLO, just like ppl make 30 mil an hour ratting in 0.0 solo. It's not like saying you should need a second account to go ratting at all, it's simply saying you should play the game with other people just like it was intended. If you are going to solo this game you are going to face problem after problem and I don't see that it is the job of CCP to hold your hand while you do. Also you can make much more than 30ml in an hour if you work with people, use gang links and the like Originally by: HenkieBoy Hulks are very good tanks.. They can tank triple 1.8M bounty Battleship rats with support. BUT it all depends on the shield booster fitted. I know somebody who has the best small shield booster in the game and he can tank every rat spawn in the game possible in belts. Typical med slot fitting would be: * Small shield Booster * 2x Shield Hardners (type depends on the damage done by rats) * 1x Cap recharger The problem lies in the ammount of shield hulks have, it has no buffer. One error and your dead. Another thing is the ammount of cap used by the strip miners. If you mine in 0.0 you have to activate your miners 45 sec appart or else your cap is drained and your shield booster will fail. I would like an extra med slot also so I can equip a roid scanner.. problem is though, you can also fit other things that would make the hulk too powerfull. I hope CCP will make a new mining series.. something between a hulk and a rorqual. The mining department needs love. Oh.. and a NON modulated T2 strip mining lasers plz!! I read somewhere there is a "mini rorq" in the pipeline though I forget where I shall try to dig it up. PS to tank rats you don't need the best shield booster in the game, a simple Gistii-B will do the trick more often than not and it's not prohibitively expensive
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:00:00 - [15] Only problem is shield boosters and recharge is pretty much useless in suicide ganks. And because of the limited PG it is pretty hard to boost it using extenders. Still, another midslot would mean another passive shield res module. --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Eol Galathil EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.18 11:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Only problem is shield boosters and recharge is pretty much useless in suicide ganks. And because of the limited PG it is pretty hard to boost it using extenders. Still, another midslot would mean another passive shield res module. ZOMG, you wrote rtorrent?....
Schena Isodyne Research and Production	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:22:00 - [17] Hulk can tank 0.0 spawns easly. I've done it myself when I was 0.0 mining. This setup I got from Haladas mining guide: HULK 3x Modulated Strip Miner II (w. crystal) 1x Gistii A-type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat specific hardeners (active, don't have to be faction) 1x Eutectic cap recharg (can't remember the real name) 2x Mining Laser Upgrade I (don't know if the named or T2 will fit) 1x CCC rig
Aramark Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:28:00 - [18] they need a mining barge just for 0.0 something like the hulk but with one more of each slot :) ----------------------------------------- Aramark unbanned and afraid
iNFyza Overkill Frontier Technologies Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:54:00 - [19] Mining in eve has been abused by CCP for a long time now. If you compare how many mining ships there are compared to how many combat ships there are you will see what im taking about. Miners have 6 mining ships to choose from. The rorqual does not count as it cant mine. When I got into the game I decided to go into mining because I thought that eventually I would be this awesome miner who could make billions. A month and a half later and I had my hulk I realized that I had just finished the game. I had no clue what to train next as I had all my refining and mining skills max'd out. Im now training for trading and pvp. I feel very disappointed with the outcome. Ive been trying to join an alliance in 0.0 for a while now to mine in their space(i dont mind pvping with them when they need me) but so far nothing. CCP need to add some new mining ships. Covert miners: Mining ships that allow you to get out of sticky situations and also allow ninja mining in low sec and 0.0 by using cloaking devices. Large cargo miners: Mining ships with a 30k m3 cargo bay that allow you to mine in systems that have no stations. They would have a smaller mining yield but the larger cargo bay means less trips and more profit for this specific situation. Better than hulk mining ship: A true mining capital ship that can actually mine. Can not enter high sec but has something like 6 strip miners and a cargo hold that can hold 2 cycles(3min X6 strip miners) worth of ore. Making it incredibly slow means it will need to work with the rorqual to be uses efficiently. 0.0 mining ship. 3 strip miners and an incredible tank with a larger drone bay. It is T2 so it should be able to tank better than a BS. Obviously all these new ships would take a whole lot longer to train for than a hulk... which is a good thing because at least we would have something to train for. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Benco97 Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:36:00 - [20] You people want to give the Hulk more tanking ability but don't want to give the Burst more Cargobay? This place is crazy! Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.

The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:54:00 - [21] Originally by: iNFyza Mining in eve has been abused by CCP for a long time now. If you compare how many mining ships there are compared to how many combat ships there are you will see what im taking about. Miners have 6 mining ships to choose from. The rorqual does not count as it cant mine. When I got into the game I decided to go into mining because I thought that eventually I would be this awesome miner who could make billions. A month and a half later and I had my hulk I realized that I had just finished the game. I had no clue what to train next as I had all my refining and mining skills max'd out. Im now training for trading and pvp. I feel very disappointed with the outcome. Ive been trying to join an alliance in 0.0 for a while now to mine in their space(i dont mind pvping with them when they need me) but so far nothing. CCP need to add some new mining ships. Covert miners: Mining ships that allow you to get out of sticky situations and also allow ninja mining in low sec and 0.0 by using cloaking devices. Large cargo miners: Mining ships with a 30k m3 cargo bay that allow you to mine in systems that have no stations. They would have a smaller mining yield but the larger cargo bay means less trips and more profit for this specific situation. Better than hulk mining ship: A true mining capital ship that can actually mine. Can not enter high sec but has something like 6 strip miners and a cargo hold that can hold 2 cycles(3min X6 strip miners) worth of ore. Making it incredibly slow means it will need to work with the rorqual to be uses efficiently. 0.0 mining ship. 3 strip miners and an incredible tank with a larger drone bay. It is T2 so it should be able to tank better than a BS. Obviously all these new ships would take a whole lot longer to train for than a hulk... which is a good thing because at least we would have something to train for. I think the problem is that CCP's dream is to have a game where the main point is to fight each other in long strategic battles one on one, where the tiniest difference in setups decide the winners. Or something like that. You sound like you want the same things as me though - will contact you in game :-) ------ THE TX
Andaron Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 21:04:00 - [22] Fix the mackinaw so it can fit two ice upgrades without a god damn implant first.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.18 21:10:00 - [23] It's a mining barge, it's fragile because it is not a combat ship. Don't mine solo.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 22:02:00 - [24] mining barges arent meant to tank anything.... you have support whit you on mining ops to defend you ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
AstroPhobic STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.18 22:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Riho mining barges arent meant to tank anything.... you have support whit you on mining ops to defend you ] The hulk is.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.18 22:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Riho mining barges arent meant to tank anything.... you have support whit you on mining ops to defend you 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level. Looks like it MIGHT just be intended to tank after all. That being said, the Hulk CAN tank many of the 0.0 Spawns, assuming you don't mind paying an arm and a leg for deadspace mods and wahtnot. The Eve mining guide even explains how it's possible. I myself don't mine by myself in 0.0 which handily solves my tanking problems without spedning hundreds of millions of isk on mods for a mining ship.


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