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Hanneshannes Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:32:00 - [1] I dunno if you can call it stealing if someone steals the junk you leave behind, but meh. Happened to me the first time a few days ago, was quite baffled by it at first, but I tend not to let them know that I find it annoying becaus that will just make them happier I guess, so after some time, of watching him take salvage and leaving lots of boxes behind, I decided to pop a trigger on the mission and the next wave of enemies spawned right next to the guy and blasted him (Was a lvl 3 Blockade) Later, I learned that the guy lost that destroyer with 3 rigs, all in all about 55M loss. I find it serves him right xD.
Julia Venatrix School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:36:00 - [2] Speaking as a dedicated salvage thief, I should say, top hole old bean.
Hanneshannes Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:45:00 - [3] I'll probs try it out as well at some point. Need to try out probing xD.
Kusha'an Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:54:00 - [4] Got to say this made me smile. \0/
Myshella Drake	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Hanneshannes I dunno if you can call it stealing if someone steals the junk you leave behind, but meh. Happened to me the first time a few days ago, was quite baffled by it at first, but I tend not to let them know that I find it annoying because that will just make them happier I guess If you kindly let them know that you wanted to salvage they are very likely to leave. Why does everyone just assume ninja salvagers are greifers?... Originally by: Hanneshannes Later, I learned that the guy lost that destroyer with 3 rigs, all in all about 55M loss. Lol he was obviously new to profession if he was using a destroyer. Hopefully he will buy something more hardy next time. ------------------ Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Proud to stand up for my Profession
Kusha'an	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Myshella Drake If you kindly let them know that you wanted to salvage they are very likely to leave. Why does everyone just assume ninja salvagers are greifers?... Maybe because for the most part they are. Notice the salvager didn't convo him and ask permission. You read any of the salvager threads lately? Lots of nasty people. Not surprised they have a bad rep.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 18/03/2008 18:55:57 Originally by: Kusha'an You read any of the salvager threads lately? Lots of nasty people. Some, yes. Namecallers and flamers who don't understand the concept of fair play. And frankly, I'm tired of them proclaiming that anybody who probes out their missions and taking the salvage is doing something wrong. Oh wait, that's not what you meant. edit to the OP: That's the way to do it. :) * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Oldin Kinrod Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:41:00 - [8] From the Knowledgebase: Quote: What are wrecks? When a ship is destroyed, whether it is a player ship or an NPC ship, it leaves a wreck. The modules and items from the cargohold that are not destroyed in the ship's explotion, can be looted. In addition to this, raw materials can be extracted from the wreck by using salvaging. The materials salvaged can be sold on the market or used to create rigs. Note that anyone can salvage materials from wrecks, regardless of who destroyed the ship, while looting items from a wreck can get you flagged and a legal target for the owner. I will say that you are the first to actually realise that it is junk, most that start this topic go on about their right to the wrecks, even after devs have stated it first in, first served. Amesome to hear you stood your ground and triggered the next wave you show you wanted them, but as others have stated - sending a quick convo can send them away, but it won't always be the case. People stealing your wrecks? Players intruding your missions?
Myshella Drake Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.19 03:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: Myshella Drake If you kindly let them know that you wanted to salvage they are very likely to leave. Why does everyone just assume ninja salvagers are greifers?... Originally by: Kusha'an Maybe because for the most part they are. And you just happen to know most of the Ninja Salvage community do you? Originally by: Kusha'an Notice the salvager didn't convo him and ask permission. Why should they. It isnt your salvage. If i spend time tracking down every mission runner i probe and asking to salvage, besides the huge amount of childish smack i would get, i wouldnt have much time to salvage. Originally by: Kusha'an You read any of the salvager threads lately? Lots of nasty people. Not surprised they have a bad rep. Yeah indeed, all those nasty mission runners like you talking out your arse and putting down salvagers calling them greifers and giving them a bad rep. ------------------ Proud to stand up for my Profession
The Geoman Anarchos Industrial Cooperative	Posted - 2008.03.19 05:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Myshella Drake Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: Myshella Drake If you kindly let them know that you wanted to salvage they are very likely to leave. Why does everyone just assume ninja salvagers are greifers?... Originally by: Kusha'an Maybe because for the most part they are. And you just happen to know most of the Ninja Salvage community do you? Originally by: Kusha'an Notice the salvager didn't convo him and ask permission. Why should they. It isnt your salvage. If i spend time tracking down every mission runner i probe and asking to salvage, besides the huge amount of childish smack i would get, i wouldnt have much time to salvage. Originally by: Kusha'an You read any of the salvager threads lately? Lots of nasty people. Not surprised they have a bad rep. Yeah indeed, all those nasty mission runners like you talking out your arse and putting down salvagers calling them greifers and giving them a bad rep. You mean they need help to get the bad rep that they've earned?
notaway Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.19 06:09:00 - [11] Just another trolling post to go along with the 5 recent other ones---
Myshella Drake Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.19 06:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Myshella Drake on 19/03/2008 06:20:22 Originally by: The Geoman You mean they need help to get the bad rep that they've earned? ummm... no, thats not what i mean at all. Learn to read please. 10/10 for trying though ------------------ Proud to stand up for my Profession
Sigul Siento Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Hanneshannes I dunno if you can call it stealing if someone steals the junk you leave behind, but meh. Happened to me the first time a few days ago, was quite baffled by it at first, but I tend not to let them know that I find it annoying becaus that will just make them happier I guess, so after some time, of watching him take salvage and leaving lots of boxes behind, I decided to pop a trigger on the mission and the next wave of enemies spawned right next to the guy and blasted him (Was a lvl 3 Blockade) Later, I learned that the guy lost that destroyer with 3 rigs, all in all about 55M loss. I find it serves him right xD. Heheheheee, good show there, weed out those amateurs While out salvaging I've warped into huge swarms of rats, been jammed and shot at several times, but never been in any actual danger
Kusha'an Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Myshella Drake And you just happen to know most of the Ninja Salvage community do you? What a ridiculously idiotic thing to say. It's my opinion, and I don't see you saying anything that contradicts it. Your supercilious tone proves my point. Quote: Why should they. It isnt your salvage. If i spend time tracking down every mission runner i probe and asking to salvage, besides the huge amount of childish smack i would get, i wouldnt have much time to salvage. Frankly I don't care. "Professional" salvaging seems like a big waste of time anyway. I can make a billion a month just running missions, and that's not including the massive salvage I get from them, or the LPs I get either. I haven't foolishly squandered my sec status like you, so I can still show my face in empire space without having to resort to scavenging in other people's dumpsters. But you just keep on being defensive, it demonstrates to the rest of us your lack of professionalism. Quote: Yeah indeed, all those nasty mission runners like you talking out your arse and putting down salvagers calling them greifers and giving them a bad rep. I've never once done that. You're confusing me with the OP. I merely commented on the reputation that "professional" salvagers have earned. But you don't know me at all, do you? You're operating off a stereotype. Just because I have an opinion of salvage professionals and their attitudes on forums does not mean that I've ever been victimized by such. As a matter of fact, I haven't. Your post is pure spam, devoid of any substance due to your lack of knowledge. But I give you a 5/10 for effort.
Malkmuss ImmCo	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:26:00 - [15] I tend to do a lot of salvage, and I always give a shout out to be polite in local, or private convo. If someone doesn't want me to go after their wrecks, I say thanks anyway and take off. Its not that hard, and tends to help nice up the usually very ***y attitudes that you can run into out there. Although, I do run into pilots who seem **y that I even asked, what can you do, they don't get much sunlight in mom's basement.
Malin0 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:41:00 - [16] I think it would be Awesome for CCP to give us three day kill rights to salvage thiefs and can thiefs instead of this lousy 15 minutes you get at the moment. Mal
Myshella Drake Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: Myshella Drake And you just happen to know most of the Ninja Salvage community do you? What a ridiculously idiotic thing to say. It's my opinion, and I don't see you saying anything that contradicts it. Your supercilious tone proves my point. Every salvager i know has never deliberately tried to harass a certain person in game. Unless you count salvaging wrecks is greifing, which any experienced player would know is just utter bull**. Many still take the time to convo and ask and some even offer a 50/50 split between them and the mission runner. If it is just your opinion then please dont try and present it as fact... Originally by:** Myshella Drake Why should they. It isnt your salvage. If i spend time tracking down every mission runner i probe and asking to salvage, besides the huge amount of childish smack i would get, i wouldnt have much time to salvage. Originally by: Kusha'an Frankly I don't care. "Professional" salvaging seems like a big waste of time anyway. I can make a billion a month just running missions, and that's not including the massive salvage I get from them, or the LPs I get either. I haven't foolishly squandered my sec status like you, so I can still show my face in empire space without having to resort to scavenging in other people's dumpsters. But you just keep on being defensive, it demonstrates to the rest of us your lack of professionalism. Oooh a billion a month, without salvage!, so why is this such a problem to you?, you want more profit?...Check your facts idiot, i maintain a postive security status of 3.2 last time i checked. I do plenty of other activities in empire, missioning, mining, exploration, Corp ops...I, for the most part, live in empire. Of course im being defensive about it. Someone has to stand up and 'clarify' all the BS myths about Salvagers. Originally by: Myshella Drake Yeah indeed, all those nasty mission runners like you talking out your arse and putting down salvagers calling them greifers and giving them a bad rep. Originally by: Kusha'an I've never once done that. You're confusing me with the OP. I merely commented on the reputation that "professional" salvagers have earned. But you don't know me at all, do you? You're operating off a stereotype. Originally by: Kusha'an Just because I have an opinion of salvage professionals and their attitudes on forums does not mean that I've ever been victimized by such. As a matter of fact, I haven't. "Maybe because for the most part they are" (greifers)...Whos operating off a stereotype again? This is the person who just said they havent been a "victim" of a Ninja Salvager... ------------------ Proud to stand up for my Profession
Beness Deep Space Ventures Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.03.19 20:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Malin0 I think it would be Awesome for CCP to give us three day kill rights to salvage thiefs and can thiefs instead of this lousy 15 minutes you get at the moment. Mal Personally, I don't think that's enough. CCP should take this opportunity to really clean up the interface, by replacing the "undock" button with an "I Win" button. I'm sure you'll agree that this might be unfair to new accounts (I hear they start in space these days), but those first few minutes will be exciting and memorable.
Malin0 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:01:00 - [19] why unfair? seems more fair that you have an opportunity to kill the thief. At the moment all they do is steal your ore and then hide in a station for 15 minutes and then go steal someone elses. least with three days (or even a day) you'd have the chance to dock your hulk, get your PvP ship, find them and shoot them. Mal
Vadimik Misty Weave	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Malin0 why unfair? seems more fair that you have an opportunity to kill the thief. At the moment all they do is steal your ore and then hide in a station for 15 minutes and then go steal someone elses. least with three days (or even a day) you'd have the chance to dock your hulk, get your PvP ship, find them and shoot them. Mal Stuff onside of your ship/hangar/pos does not belong to you. All you get is a right to defend some of it then and there, coupled with ability to set passwords on some of it.
Malin0 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:10:00 - [21] bah, no point arguing
Occamed State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:09:00 - [22] Having been raped and pilaged in many different ways since I started playing this game, cant see why I shouldn't have my salvage stolen as well? Anyway my favourite cake is Blackforest gateaux!
Corstaad Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:20:00 - [23] If your macro running missions why would you even care if one mission gets salvage stolen?
Teneliar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.20 01:20:00 - [24] There's two main issues here - 1. Nobody salvages. 2. Everybody likes rigs. Rigs cost a ****ton. So, why don't you stop shooting salvagers (when I salvage I don't take stuff in cans, and since most people never salvage, the stuff would go to waste anyway) - the isk is good, especially for a relatively new, corp-less player. Plus, the more people salvage, the lower the cost of rigs. And that benefits everybody.
Commander OTG Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 01:45:00 - [25] I dont run missions at all...all I do is exploration and salvaging..and I can also claim billionaire status like the poster above. Salvage is sending my children thru cosmic college and buys the wife shoes whenever she needs them. I am also a 50/50 salvager as posted above. I will ask the mission runner or even contract the share to the runner if I do not see them around. The other salvagers I know do similar..sorry that somes opinions are not so well founded. Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.20 09:48:00 - [26] By design, salvage does not belong to you or anyone else; it is impossible to steal salvage as that implies some kind of ownership. If you do not like someone salvaging around you then maybe you should carebear in low sec or 0.0 where you can prevent them from doing so.
Jolliejoe Quad Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 10:27:00 - [27] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto By design, salvage does not belong to you or anyone else; it is impossible to steal salvage as that implies some kind of ownership. If you do not like someone salvaging around you then maybe you should carebear in low sec or 0.0 where you can prevent them from doing so. Which is an incredible flaw in thinking... You think someone who has accepted a mission, where actually the salvage and loot is an essential part of the revenue you want to make doing missions, would not care about that? It's rediculous. Without the salvage or loot, doing missions is even more worthless than it is already with the mediocre bounties and worthless LP store.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.20 11:02:00 - [28] there are some very nice items in lp store, but much of it does not come from the "big" mission corps.
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 11:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Oldin Kinrod I will say that you are the first to actually realise that it is junk, most that start this topic go on about their right to the wrecks, even after devs have stated it first in, first served. I wouldn't exactly call salvage (which is potentially worth a few mill isk) "Junk". That said, I think some of the rarer rig components, Melted cap consoles etc. Should be more common and cheaper. Rigs should be cheaper overall. Make it real "junk". Maybe a reasonable compromise to this whole thing is to make deadspace wrecks "owned" while they are in deadspace. This way mission wrecks are open to salvagers once the mission runner turns in the mission.
Jolliejoe Quad Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.20 11:49:00 - [30] Agreed. like the CN invul field. Only problem is that you need 300K LP, a zillion tags which will add up to another 200 mil when you buy them (and you cannot get them through the missions)...

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