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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 20/03/2008 12:28:22
Originally by: Tasko Pal What is the mechanics of the actual vote? Do I just vote for one CSM candidate and the top X of them become part of the CSM? Could someone point me to documentation about that?
This is detailed in the PDfs linked to in the head post. Each account gets one vote. The nine candidates with the most votes are appointed to the CSM and the following five candidates become the alternates.
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(http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf page 15)
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Grismar
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: faxtarious only ask fro a pic of the pasport....isn't that kind of risky with Photoshop ?
I guess that depends on where you're from, but where I live forging a passport is a very serious offense. And since any passport can easily be checked with the country that issued it, I wouldn't monkey around with forgery.
Trying to get into a movie or even through customs with a fake id is one thing, sending someone a copy of a fake (passable or not) to pass off as real in a legal agreement is another...
Greetings, Grismar.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 20/03/2008 13:32:12
Originally by: Grismar On the point of passports:
The original point still holds: those of us who have a European Identity Card can travel all over the EU (and Iceland) without a passport. They can pay taxes, vote, buy plane tickets and sign contracts, all without a passport. However, it would seem that they cannot join the CSM without a passport, which means they'll have to cough up the dough to get one just to be eligible.
This problem may be unclear to anyone living outside the EU (including those living in Iceland), but the OP made a good point and CCP should really consider relaxing the constraint 'passport or EU identity card', since they are equal for all relevant purposes within the full Schengen group.
The OP ? No, it was Akita T
And... yeah... seriously, I'm still waiting for an official answer. Can I use the picture of my expired passport + my valid Romanian ID card to apply ?
My passport expired 5 months ago, and I don't plan on getting a new one, since I don't plan on travelling outside the Schengen Zone (of which my country, Romania, is part of since January 2007)... and apparently, Iceland was a part of long before that (and still is, AFAIK, right now).
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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:44:00 -
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Quote: EVE Online is going boldly where no other MMORPG has gone before. A player-elected council will hold court with CCP to help govern EVE Online _ s future. The Council of Stellar Management was unveiled to Fanfest goers last November, and has been a topic of intense discussion ever since. Now all the facts are at your fingertips. The new CSM blog is up and ready for your attention.
I hate to break it to you, but this is not "where no other MMORPG has gone before." In a failed attempt to improve customer relations, SWG attempted something very similar, forming a "Senate" of players to provide ideas and opinions on the direction of the game. They could introduce "bills" for chanages they wanted and vote on those changes. It was an attempt to show the playerbase that SOE actually listened to their players. Guess what? They didn't listen. The Senate's suggestions were largely ignored, and in a bit of poetic irony for Star Wars fans, it was dissolved. The only result was that the players grew more resentful of SOE and felt less like their concerns were being listened to and addressed.
I'm not saying that this won't work, but just a word of caution: if you (CCP) intend to do this, make darn sure that you will really follow through, be prepared to act on the ideas of your council, or you will only end up convincing the players that the whole thing is a sham and you had no intention of listening in the first place.
Oh, and to reiterate, it has been done before, so your news item is a bit of false advertising. I'd suggest changing it.
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Fifth Horseman
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Grismar On the point of passports:
The original point still holds: those of us who have a European Identity Card can travel all over the EU (and Iceland) without a passport. They can pay taxes, vote, buy plane tickets and sign contracts, all without a passport. However, it would seem that they cannot join the CSM without a passport, which means they'll have to cough up the dough to get one just to be eligible.
Err yeah, well in Britain in you need a passport to prove that you don't need it. Strange, but true.
Anyway, I just came here to say that, internet, webcam, plant some trees if you're going to make people travel the world for INTERNET related business. --- Fanboi noun: 1)Person who thinks you should be happy that Eve just got a little bit worse.
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Drachtul Tun'Dull
Stair Fall
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Posted - 2008.03.20 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Quote: EVE Online is going boldly where no other MMORPG has gone before. A player-elected council will hold court with CCP to help govern EVE Online _ s future. The Council of Stellar Management was unveiled to Fanfest goers last November, and has been a topic of intense discussion ever since. Now all the facts are at your fingertips. The new CSM blog is up and ready for your attention.
I hate to break it to you, but this is not "where no other MMORPG has gone before." In a failed attempt to improve customer relations, SWG attempted something very similar, forming a "Senate" of players to provide ideas and opinions on the direction of the game. They could introduce "bills" for chanages they wanted and vote on those changes. It was an attempt to show the playerbase that SOE actually listened to their players. Guess what? They didn't listen. The Senate's suggestions were largely ignored, and in a bit of poetic irony for Star Wars fans, it was dissolved. The only result was that the players grew more resentful of SOE and felt less like their concerns were being listened to and addressed.
I'm not saying that this won't work, but just a word of caution: if you (CCP) intend to do this, make darn sure that you will really follow through, be prepared to act on the ideas of your council, or you will only end up convincing the players that the whole thing is a sham and you had no intention of listening in the first place.
Oh, and to reiterate, it has been done before, so your news item is a bit of false advertising. I'd suggest changing it.
Were these real meetings where they actually met face to face, or was it all bits and bytes crossing the wires? Big difference between the two in terms of scope and impact (speaking as an anthropologist).
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G0rF
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.20 15:23:00 -
[127]
Quote: Because election winners will ultimately make appearances on EVE -TV and EON , candidates must run under their real-life names, and may either create a new character or use an existing account name to give themselves an in-game identity.
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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.20 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Drachtul Tun'Dull
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Quote: EVE Online is going boldly where no other MMORPG has gone before. A player-elected council will hold court with CCP to help govern EVE Online _ s future. The Council of Stellar Management was unveiled to Fanfest goers last November, and has been a topic of intense discussion ever since. Now all the facts are at your fingertips. The new CSM blog is up and ready for your attention.
I hate to break it to you, but this is not "where no other MMORPG has gone before." In a failed attempt to improve customer relations, SWG attempted something very similar, forming a "Senate" of players to provide ideas and opinions on the direction of the game. They could introduce "bills" for chanages they wanted and vote on those changes. It was an attempt to show the playerbase that SOE actually listened to their players. Guess what? They didn't listen. The Senate's suggestions were largely ignored, and in a bit of poetic irony for Star Wars fans, it was dissolved. The only result was that the players grew more resentful of SOE and felt less like their concerns were being listened to and addressed.
I'm not saying that this won't work, but just a word of caution: if you (CCP) intend to do this, make darn sure that you will really follow through, be prepared to act on the ideas of your council, or you will only end up convincing the players that the whole thing is a sham and you had no intention of listening in the first place.
Oh, and to reiterate, it has been done before, so your news item is a bit of false advertising. I'd suggest changing it.
Were these real meetings where they actually met face to face, or was it all bits and bytes crossing the wires? Big difference between the two in terms of scope and impact (speaking as an anthropologist).
Couldn't quite say, I'd quit the game at that point, and have only read the forums/reports since then. I believe they were not face to face, but I'll look into it to make sure. I understand your point about the scope, but the basic idea is the same, and to me at least CCP's characterization of this as something never done before is uninformed at best, and outright false at worst.
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Hardin
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 20/03/2008 15:54:30
Despite my concerns about rl information being provided I have decided to join Verone and throw my hat into the ring.
If you want to find out more about why I am standing please and some other stuff please visit:
http://hardinfaq.blogspot.com/
I intend to keep it updated and add fresh content over the course of the campaign...
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Omber Zombie
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.03.20 16:05:00 -
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like Hardin (and his Disco ball) and Verone, I too am dropping my hat into the ring. A website and assorted media will be coming soonÖ
also, on the voting system: why not have a preference based system. Instead of just one nomination, give people the ability to vote for 3 seperate candidates in order of preference. Those votes can then be weighted as 3, 2 and 1 points each, which means that even though large alliances may want to vote their first preference for their own members, there's 3 other 'points' that then get spread out to other nominees and would help balance out the final vote tally.
just a thought, Oz ----------------------
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Hardin
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 20/03/2008 16:17:14
Originally by: Omber Zombie like Hardin (and his Disco ball) and Verone, I too am dropping my hat into the ring. A website and assorted media will be coming soonÖ
also, on the voting system: why not have a preference based system. Instead of just one nomination, give people the ability to vote for 3 seperate candidates in order of preference. Those votes can then be weighted as 3, 2 and 1 points each, which means that even though large alliances may want to vote their first preference for their own members, there's 3 other 'points' that then get spread out to other nominees and would help balance out the final vote tally.
just a thought, Oz
Welcome to the race. Looks like some tough competition
Re the voting do you mean like this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum Lux Caelestia
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Posted - 2008.03.20 17:14:00 -
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Question: Will the text of the NDA the members sign be disclosed to the community?
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I sympathize with the fact that CCP would like to armor themselves against company secrets flying the coop, but I'd kind of like to know exactly what language is contained therein.
F.ex. a 'CCP's arbitrary choice' NDA and a 'no gameplay information which is not already public' NDA are two different beasts.
Also, Quote: It cannot be stressed enough that the council will not have any formal power within CCP; it will function solely as an advisory council to CCP by serving as a communication conduit between the playerbase and CCP.
Win! (It's stating things like this upfront that make us love you, CCP & Xhagen) ((Am being serious, not sarcastic. That fact was discussed in the prior thread on this, but it's nice to have that out in the open for people who may have missed that and might get the wrong impression. I think the CSM has a lot of potential irregardless.))
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum Lux Caelestia
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Posted - 2008.03.20 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ramblin Man on 20/03/2008 17:21:32
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Omber Zombie like Hardin (and his Disco ball) and Verone, I too am dropping my hat into the ring. A website and assorted media will be coming soonÖ
also, on the voting system: why not have a preference based system. Instead of just one nomination, give people the ability to vote for 3 seperate candidates in order of preference. Those votes can then be weighted as 3, 2 and 1 points each, which means that even though large alliances may want to vote their first preference for their own members, there's 3 other 'points' that then get spread out to other nominees and would help balance out the final vote tally.
just a thought, Oz
Welcome to the race. Looks like some tough competition
Re the voting do you mean like this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
I can answer that from the last thread, which went on for a long time (and CCP Xhagen answering until the end -- here's his one month necro).
More or less, Xhagen thought it was an idea with merit, but not for the first cycle. He'd rather start simply in regards to voting method, proxy voting, etc. etc. Then, they can add more features if all goes well.
Thought through like a true programmer.
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Malena
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.20 17:33:00 -
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Can we send in a copy of our passport application? I don't have one, but am applying for one next week... it won't be back before the deadline, but it will be back before the planned meeting. Am I still eligible?
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Altho Regilian
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:53:00 -
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I have the same problem as the above poster. I applied for a passport today but the standard processing time in the US is 4 weeks. The expedited time is 3 weeks. I can send in an alternate form of ID (Driver's License, etc) which contains the name DOB information that is required as well as a copy of my application.
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Oisin
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: G0rF
Quote: Because election winners will ultimately make appearances on EVE -TV and EON , candidates must run under their real-life names, and may either create a new character or use an existing account name to give themselves an in-game identity.
What if you already have a character that bears your real name?
Does it say G0rF on your passport?
Seriously, I do know at least one guy whose ingame name is his real full name. I guess in some of those cases, the character name is obviously a real name, and in other cases it isn't.
I expect the candidates will still be remembered by their character name rather than their real name, and if they are the same, well, that's one less thing to remember.
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Dominatus Crispus
Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.03.21 01:37:00 -
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I would have loved to have submitted an application even if a very unknown player here, but the passport requirement is a bit rough because it can take about 4-6 weeks to get a new passport in the US... and thatÆs if youÆre lucky.
Thus I am unable to submit a copy of a passport at this exact time. However I could provide a state issued identification card for the time being while I continue to wait on my passport.
Would CCP accept this legal identification?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.21 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dominatus Crispus I would have loved to have submitted an application even if a very unknown player here, but the passport requirement is a bit rough because it can take about 4-6 weeks to get a new passport in the US... and thatÆs if youÆre lucky.
Thus I am unable to submit a copy of a passport at this exact time. However I could provide a state issued identification card for the time being while I continue to wait on my passport.
Would CCP accept this legal identification?
good luck on any international travel with out a passport (think the us still has some exceptions such as ground travel to Canada/Mexico but other than that you do need a passport)
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Omber Zombie
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Re the voting do you mean like this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote
pretty much
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Shananigan
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Posted - 2008.03.21 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shananigan on 21/03/2008 07:10:58 I posted this somewhere else but I'm prolly more likely to get a response from CCP here. I'm an AMerican and well only around 30% of Americans have passports, but we do have legal state ID's that will tell our identities, the passports take too long to get, and by the time election happens I wouldnt have one. Is it possible to use my US state ID to apply for council or are Americans basicly not going to have a chance at all of being a part of this council? It would be no problem getting a passport by June when CCP actually flys the council but to get one within 2 weeks is basicly impossible, unless CCP is my mom in iceland that has only a few weeks to live that is lol
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.03.21 07:31:00 -
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For all the comments about Passports:
I would hazard a guess that the requirement to have a passport-image is to ensure that anyone is voted onto the CSM will be capable of full-filling their responsibilities, and there is no dodgy mess around it after people are voted in. It's not simply about identification.
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Shananigan
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Posted - 2008.03.21 08:21:00 -
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I think I've gotten past the identity part its more of me thinking CCP isnt looking at the fact that alot of people play around the world and that they cant just say your unable to be part of this because you dont have a passport yet. They need condingence for people who live in countries where passports arnt required as ID's. that way its equal for EVERYONE to be on the council. As I said I can easily get a passport by the time its required but impossible to get one in 2 weeks, thus I'm cegrigated from partisipating in this endevar because I'm American :(
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2008.03.21 10:45:00 -
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you really need to get that chip off your shoulder. Most countries do not use passports as everyday ID's, the fact that only 30% of Americans have passports doesn't mean they are segregating you from applying. You just need a passport so they can make sure that if elected, you can travel. No point having 9 people elected all of whom can't travel as for some reason or another they can't get passports. This is the only way for ccp to vet those that can. ---------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. The Amalgamated CSM Thread |
Ronmamita
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:22:00 -
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This is a forward thinking move and overall a good thing. I applaud this effort. However, some hurdles to overcome are: 1) This simply becoming a vacation for the major Alliances and Mega-Corps. 2) Allowing the players at large to be able to remove an elected rep. if grievances are too severe. Perhaps a mid-term report and vote to retain/remove could be a consideration? 3) A representative that has a fresh new look toward Eve (a noob as a rep)? I learned several decades ago that a new and fresh look is a good thing. It combats complacency & "group think" where familiarity breeds a kind of blindness and resistance to improvements and change. So YES, include a noob seat on the council. After all we want Eve to grow new members and improve; don't we?
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Shananigan
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Posted - 2008.03.21 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie you really need to get that chip off your shoulder. Most countries do not use passports as everyday ID's, the fact that only 30% of Americans have passports doesn't mean they are segregating you from applying. You just need a passport so they can make sure that if elected, you can travel. No point having 9 people elected all of whom can't travel as for some reason or another they can't get passports. This is the only way for ccp to vet those that can.
Yea I know the reasoning behind, I just want to run but cant, hopefully they will have more council elections sometime in the near future and give us a little more time to prepare when and if it happens again. I just dont like not being able to participate in this because I really enjoy this game and would love to be a part of the council. Of course it's not really going to matter, I probably wouldnt be elected because the larger corps will more than likely just elect there own members and CCP will be bogged by everyone who already knows this election is meaningless, and CCP just should of just picked the top members of the top 9 corps and gave it away to them. I hope at least one of the members will actually be there because they want to do something instead of just because there corp/allaince want more power in eve.
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Ed Bever
Six Sense Corp. CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.21 12:30:00 -
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In The Netherlands you need to carry ID (card, passport or a parent with a passport containing proof of your identity) in order to leave the door without breaking the law.... Anyway, if you live in the EU, an ID-card is plenty to get to Iceland, and there for, plenty to apply to CSM. In the Netherlands, you can get an ID-card or passport when you're twelve. You just have to be removed from your parents passport. I would apply, if only I could have more time to spend on it. You see, I have my school to attend to And if I do this, I do it right. |
Omber Zombie
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.03.21 16:02:00 -
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on another topic, i know the csm forum is going to be created soonÖ, but until then, where can we start our campaign threads? ----------------------
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.03.21 17:49:00 -
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we need a vote for NO CSM this is not Democratic because itÆs coming whether we like it or notà.. People vote no to CSM lol we can not!
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Max Torps
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Posted - 2008.03.21 18:19:00 -
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I'm throwing may hat into the ring too.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2008.03.21 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Max Torps I'm throwing may hat into the ring too.
And, there is a blog here.
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