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Grimwalius d'Antan Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.18 23:49:00 - [1] Ever since it was first announced, I've tried to figure out why CCP assigned programming hours to implement a voice communication client in Eve, knowing that everyone is using Ventrilo and Teamspeak anyhow. Just now however, it dawned to me: CCP is aiming at making Eve the be all end all space drag queen simulator once Ambulation is in place. On another note, I showed the GDC demo to a friend today, whom has been a staunch Eve hater since he first realised that Eve is not what Freelancer would be as an MMO. His reaction was roughly "Cool, if they put that in, even I would consider giving it another go". This is from the guy who skipped 2 weeks worth of class when we had to play Eve for Game Theory class, that's how much he dislike Eve. Now he's even hinting at trying it out if you implement Ambulation. CCP, you're on to something great here, go for it! _______ Griefing is to ruin a friendly game, which Eve is not.
Ashina Sito Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.19 01:06:00 - [2] Edited by: Ashina Sito on 19/03/2008 01:05:59 I have never used Teamspeak. My single experiance with Vent was with an Agony Unleashed PvP class. Vent crashed my Eve Client every 30-40 minutes. The advantage of Eve voice is that everyone has it. There are no outside resources needed. No IP addresses to give out. No sever needed to run the software, it's just there and it works. I did a noob corp op at the beginning of the month and we used Voice chat. No one had used it before accept me. I explained to the first person how to set it up. With how simple it is to get set people that had been using Eve voice for all of a minute were able to explain to newcommers how to get themselves into voice chat. Great quality and easy to use, can't go wrong... Ok, one downside is that if you log or crash your no longer able to maintain the voice chat. As long as you don't crash it is simpler, easier and just plain better then Teamspeak or Vent. Edit: Oh yeah, and it is FREE!
Everyone Dies Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.03.19 01:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Ashina Sito Edited by: Ashina Sito on 19/03/2008 01:05:59 I have never used Teamspeak. My single experiance with Vent was with an Agony Unleashed PvP class. Vent crashed my Eve Client every 30-40 minutes. The advantage of Eve voice is that everyone has it. There are no outside resources needed. No IP addresses to give out. No sever needed to run the software, it's just there and it works. I did a noob corp op at the beginning of the month and we used Voice chat. No one had used it before accept me. I explained to the first person how to set it up. With how simple it is to get set people that had been using Eve voice for all of a minute were able to explain to newcommers how to get themselves into voice chat. Great quality and easy to use, can't go wrong... Ok, one downside is that if you log or crash your no longer able to maintain the voice chat. As long as you don't crash it is simpler, easier and just plain better then Teamspeak or Vent. Edit: Oh yeah, and it is FREE! Yeah ventrilo is crap. Try Teamspeak it's far superior in every way don't listen to the people who say vent isn't crap they probably don't know the intricacies of TS.
Grimwalius d'Antan Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.19 09:45:00 - [4] I would tend to disagree with your take on Ventrilo. A well set up Ventrilo server is an excellent investment as it offers great codecs and interface settings. If you and your corp come together to split the fee for a rented Ventrilo server you have a very solid voice component. If you're of the cheaper sort, Teamspeak is still an excellent choice. Teamspeak does not feel as polished to me, it is ugly and the menus feel a bit haphazardly arranged to me, but that is merely nitpicking. A well set up Teamspeak server offers great sound quality and is a very resource effective client and server. Fact is, you can easily set up a Teamspeak server very quickly and run it temporarily on the same computer you're gaming with if you and your friends are in desperate need of it. I've never tried the Eve voice component, I've never had a reason for it as virtually every corp, guild and gaming clan out there uses either of the aforementioned two clients. I've never bothered to investigate it, the quality of the voice component is not as important to me as the big "why?". Why did they bother implementing something that the needy people have already taken care of with tried and tested 3rd party voice clients? To me it is starting to make sense now that Eve might become more of a social tool. Walking around in stations and meeting new people clearly motivates putting the Voice component into the game. I doubt it is meant to replace Ventrilo and Teamspeak for serious PVP communication, but it is surely a great way for casual communication with people you've just met. What I'm trying to say is that I don't see the need for the Eve Voice component in the game as of today, I find it largely redundant, but taking the future implementation of Ambulation into account the voice component an excellent addition to the game. _______ Griefing is to ruin a friendly game, which Eve is not.
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Ashina Sito Edited by: Ashina Sito on 19/03/2008 01:05:59 I have never used Teamspeak. My single experiance with Vent was with an Agony Unleashed PvP class. Vent crashed my Eve Client every 30-40 minutes. The advantage of Eve voice is that everyone has it. There are no outside resources needed. No IP addresses to give out. No sever needed to run the software, it's just there and it works. I did a noob corp op at the beginning of the month and we used Voice chat. No one had used it before accept me. I explained to the first person how to set it up. With how simple it is to get set people that had been using Eve voice for all of a minute were able to explain to newcommers how to get themselves into voice chat. Great quality and easy to use, can't go wrong... Ok, one downside is that if you log or crash your no longer able to maintain the voice chat. As long as you don't crash it is simpler, easier and just plain better then Teamspeak or Vent. Edit: Oh yeah, and it is FREE! Yeah ventrilo is crap. Try Teamspeak it's far superior in every way don't listen to the people who say vent isn't crap they probably don't know the intricacies of TS. Agreed. I used to prefer Vent but having tried it again recently it seems to have gone downhill. It's main proponents will tout the fact that you can indidually change user volume levels. That's true. What they don't mention is that you will have to do it regularly and often. With TS you just tell someone they're a bit quiet/loud, they fix it and you're done. For some reason Vent's handling of other users' volume levels varies by the day and even by the hour. No wonder someone wrote the compression plug-in. It's just a shame that it doesn't work in any predictable way. So yeah - stuff Vent. Stick with TS or Eve Voice. Both are far easier to use. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Drama Kirlan Wise Investments Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:19:00 - [6] Yay the great TS/Vent debate. I've yet to come across a decently setup teamspeak server, all the codexs sound like crap where as vent sounds cleaner and sharper but with the latest vent 3 client and the stupid udp sync rubbish they put in I dont really like either of them anymore But my uni blocks everything anyway even eve voice
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Ashina Sito Edited by: Ashina Sito on 19/03/2008 01:05:59 I have never used Teamspeak. My single experiance with Vent was with an Agony Unleashed PvP class. Vent crashed my Eve Client every 30-40 minutes. The advantage of Eve voice is that everyone has it. There are no outside resources needed. No IP addresses to give out. No sever needed to run the software, it's just there and it works. I did a noob corp op at the beginning of the month and we used Voice chat. No one had used it before accept me. I explained to the first person how to set it up. With how simple it is to get set people that had been using Eve voice for all of a minute were able to explain to newcommers how to get themselves into voice chat. Great quality and easy to use, can't go wrong... Ok, one downside is that if you log or crash your no longer able to maintain the voice chat. As long as you don't crash it is simpler, easier and just plain better then Teamspeak or Vent. Edit: Oh yeah, and it is FREE! Yeah ventrilo is crap. Try Teamspeak it's far superior in every way don't listen to the people who say vent isn't crap they probably don't know the intricacies of TS. TS is the WORST voice chat client i have ever used.... vent is pwn and will be pwn :D ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Turzyx State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:44:00 - [8] If I wanted to sound like I was talking through an old CB radio to someone in Australia, then I'll use TS. If you get a decent vent server with plenty of bandwidth and put the codec on max, the quality is nearly inditiguishable between local playback of you own voice recordings.
Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:45:00 - [9] I used vent version 2.1.4 and still have a server I could use if I wanted, me and my corp used it for free. However I now use alliance TS, I have to say that the vent quality is higher than that of TS, plus when 2 people talk at once on TS it sounds awful. That said it is better in terms of large numbers of people and has other options, ie channel commander that is useful. Plus the voice is much better than microsoft mary :S ---- something something something darkside, something something something complete.
Sha4d13 State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:50:00 - [10] Vent is the better system- but TS does a perfectly serviceable job. Big alliances will never use eve voice- both for security and practical reasons. One dreadnaught crashes on a big op- how does he let people know? How does he check whether its safe to log back in?

Zathi Shaitan	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Everyone Dies Yeah ventrilo is crap. Try Teamspeak it's far superior in every way don't listen to the people who say vent isn't crap they probably don't know the intricacies of TS. You, sir, are ignorant. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/
Zarin	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:07:00 - [12] TS is great if you can cope with someone sounding like they are underwater next to a busy causeway, ontop of the various accents you have to deal with in a global game like this. Vent is much much clearer, Eve-voice is pretty good too, fogiving its occasional bugs.
ghosttr ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:12:00 - [13] Vent/ts never seem to d/c either. My eve likes to d/c whenever possible. And it useful to be on comms so your gang mates know whats going on. My Blog
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Sha4d13 Vent is the better system- but TS does a perfectly serviceable job. Big alliances will never use eve voice- both for security and practical reasons. One dreadnaught crashes on a big op- how does he let people know? How does he check whether its safe to log back in? This is a fair point, but it's an example of meta-gaming. Chances are you'll be in a POS seige anyway, in which case you'll have superiority over the area anyway - unless dreads are now used for other things. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Sha4d13 State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:43:00 - [15] Its not metagaming in any way you pillock. Its actually dealing with the effects of out of game problems.
Norse Avenger School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.19 13:28:00 - [16] Sorry for the noob question on this thread... What's an active voice chat channel that is open for general use? I've finally got the voice chat set up (firewall/router configs) and can seem to join in (allows me to "join audio") but when I get in, I don't hear anyone. Not sure if I simply don't have chat fully configured yet (Troubshooitng in settings shows no errors), or I'm joining a voice chat channel that is dead... Thanks Brian
Heikki Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.19 13:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan knowing that everyone is using Ventrilo and Teamspeak The idea of integrated voice chat is nice, and only CCP can code that. If implemented well, it will be superior to external audio coms. Then again, even if an pvp alliance adopted it, they still might have to require people to log in TS/Ventrilo, for backup situations (player/game lag/crashes). The price itself shouldn't be critical problem (current promo has about one twelth of Eve subsciption cost). Perhaps if they could make it as separate server-process, which just comminications with Eve-process, and stays up on backup channel if things goes boom.. -Lasse
Lakut EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.19 13:53:00 - [18] To the TS vs Vent flamers: Roger Wilco (pre-Gamespy) and Battlecom (pre-MS) owned all. Good old days. About third party VoIP apps vs. EvE Voice: I exclusively use Vent as that's what my corp/alliance uses and because you can actually say "Hey I just disconnected/crashed/etc." if it happens, but I can see the big use in EvE Voice if you're doing gangs with friends/blues who are not in your corp/alliance and consequently aren't supposed to have your private Vent/TS server details. ------------ You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
Lord Bleu MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 16:37:00 - [19] I use both TS and Vent and encounter no problems what so ever. Again, people will continue to use these programs insead of eve voice until they figure out a way to keep comms alive during a client crash. Until then, it's no good for fleet ops. ------- I came, I saw, I drank all the beer!
Firkragg 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.03.19 16:56:00 - [20] teamspeak pros: simple, reliable, some nice features like channel commander cons: sounds like your talking on a bad telephone line to the opposite side of the world ventrilo pros: very clear and nice codecs. cons: stupid ocnnection stuff (might just be me), the worst interface ever (random menus doing random things) eve voice pros: simple, everyone has it, is intergrated with fleet interface, good quality cons: has some bugs and issues still, goes down when the client does Personally i prefer TS although i do like the quality on vent. I really qould consider using ever voice except for the fact it goes down everytime the client does (which makes it impossible to tell people that you crashed). I must say though that eve voice rules for when you with somone random and just wanna do a quick two man gang or something. Just grab them and go.

Grimwalius d'Antan Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.19 17:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Firkragg [...]I must say though that eve voice rules for when you with somone random and just wanna do a quick two man gang or something. Just grab them and go. This is sort of what I had in mind when I started this thread, I didn't mean for it to derail into a TS/Vent argument, but rather how the effort to implement Eve Voice really comes into play with Ambulation where you're likely to immerse yourself in conversation with strangers. Before I thought of this, I saw Eve Voice as a redundant undertaking since there are already very good and popular alternatives, there is currently little use for voice communication with strangers in Eve so a unified system is not necessary today, but Ambulation will really benefit from it. _______ Griefing is to ruin a friendly game, which Eve is not.


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