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Kaitou Shiroi
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Posted - 2008.03.22 03:51:00 -
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FIN-Option 2
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:14:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Florio
and there are rumours of prices increasing shortly
There are also rumors that T2 BPO's are going to be made into long run BPC's. Rumors are meaningless.
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.23 00:24:00 -
[63]
FIN - OPTION 2
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People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. |
Sanguinius Scorpion
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.23 00:47:00 -
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I guess I will have to choose option 2.
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Sharp Trader
ARK-CORP
SATRAPY
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Posted - 2008.03.23 12:24:00 -
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As an investor option 2 is good.
I would prefer an option 3 if possible.
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rooie gek
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.23 12:47:00 -
[66]
fin invester going for option 2
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Extreme
Eye of God
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.23 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Extreme on 23/03/2008 13:17:42
I'm a FIN shareholder with 110.000 FIN shares, i voted option 2.
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Ghost Emperor
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.23 19:13:00 -
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EMFI hold many billions (http://emfi.blogspot.com/) in FIN and FIN-U so we are very interested in progress, we would like long-term return on investments in light of there being limited higher interest rate investment opportunities at present. Therefore, we vote with management recommendations, with a review of progress every couple of months. We would have liked an audit to work out FIN and FIN-U NAVs before going to vote, and we are also interested in if the 60bn isks worth of shares you mentioned had been bought back were going to be voted, or not?
We also wish we had been updated about the massive loss of NAV a bit earlier as we would have reduced our buying of stock, and could have reduced EMFI NAV earlier to compensate. But as long-term investors we are also thankful you havenĘt ignored investors, have sought our views and havenĘt vanished/ dumped the project, so we follow your recommendations.
FIN: Option 2: We vote for maximum dividend income:
Supporting comment: Corps that actually pay regular dividends are few and far between so we would like you to continue, if only for rarity value ;)
We are very keen on transparency though and would vote for continued existence on the basis that there should be a full audit and trustee declaration of NAV and BPO valuations (with third party review i.e. Ray McCormack or other).
There is also the issue of potential absent trustees, and you may need to inject some new blood onto the board if any are currently awol.
Suggestion: Unprofitable, or low profit prints could be sold to fund buybacks at the board discretion?
Question: Is/will re-cycled dividend income (from the 60bn of your own bonds held in treasury) be used to raise div level, raise NAV or buybacks?
FIN-U: Option 2: We vote for consistent dividend income at this moment in time, with gradual buy back bonds at close to, or at IPO price.
As investors we are not sure what assets were, or what caused the NAV/profit drop and would also like to know more about the FIN-U situation (if it is different from the FIN one).
Ideally we would like a liquidation vote on FIN-U as well, is its value near 100%? It might be better to liquidate this one along the lines of PSRS rather than a drawn out death?
EvE Galactic Stock Exchange and Real-time Eve Stock Exchange EMFI blog at: http://emfi.blogspot.com/ |
Elias Riikonen
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.26 13:18:00 -
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About FIN option 2, reducing the minimum dividend to 2.5%. This shouldn't be worded so that we give Eefrit the right to pay out at only 2.5% indefinitely, even if market conditions improve. I propose there should be a vote every two months on whether shareholders agree to a dividend of less than 4%, or if they prefer liquidation.
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D'Tann
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:29:00 -
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Well, after double checking and confirming that there are currently no open votes for either FIN or FIN-U (was a little concerned after seeing all the posts with "votes"). Are any 3rd options being considered for eithe FIN or FIN-U and what if any timetable has been set to hold votes?
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Worry
Femdom Chihuahua Cult
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Posted - 2008.03.27 13:12:00 -
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FIN- Option 2 |
Eefrit
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2008.03.28 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: D'Tann
Well, after double checking and confirming that there are currently no open votes for either FIN or FIN-U (was a little concerned after seeing all the posts with "votes"). Are any 3rd options being considered for eithe FIN or FIN-U and what if any timetable has been set to hold votes?
Feel free to suggest any third options that you think would be appropriate.
Timetable wise, I am planning for this weekend but it looks like there really may not be a vote option for FIN that does not break the investors agreement. I should have word on that this weekend though.
/Eefrit
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Ignition SemperFi
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Posted - 2008.04.05 21:33:00 -
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any update on this for your shareholders of FIN or FIN-U
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Syndicate Reigns
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:12:00 -
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As a long time investor with FIN, I also chose option 2. Take some time and get things rolling again so that we can maintain a 4.0% profit margin. A short term loss to keep things well in the long term is fine by me.
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Elias Riikonen
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:35:00 -
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So what's up? Has anyone seen Eefrit in the last 10 days?
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Azerath
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:34:00 -
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I'm getting worried myself, haven't seen him in over two weeks. =\
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Elias Riikonen
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.04.12 23:23:00 -
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Who holds what collateral exists for FIN?
If it continues that nothing is heard of Eefrit, how long will be waited before liquidation of those assets is started?
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Alain DeMorgan
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Posted - 2008.04.15 09:19:00 -
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The FIN dividend appears to be a couple of weeks overdue too ..
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Were Donkey
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:53:00 -
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Done a runner with the cash!
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Azerath
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.04.17 03:17:00 -
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Hmm bad timing on my part, but WTS FIN Shares (I wanna get a paladin) 9k each, plz mail or convo Azerath, 50,000 shares to sell.
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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.17 04:10:00 -
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As a concerned investor I too would like to know exactly what is going on regarding FIN and the shares I hold with regards to that corporation. |
Segge Bolled
Caldari
Dirty Sexy Pilots
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.17 09:55:00 -
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I'm wondering if people are being hit by the same bus, and whether investors should be looking in future for a mandatory "funds manager lives behind comprehensive anti-vehicle trenches" clause.  |
Elias Riikonen
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.04.17 09:55:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Azerath
Edited by: Azerath on 17/04/2008 04:39:49
Hmm bad timing on my part, but WTS FIN Shares (I wanna get a paladin) 9k each, plz mail or convo Azerath, 50,000 shares to sell.
EDITED: Shares sold at 10k each, thanks for your bids.
I'd also like to hereby offer FIN shares for sale. I have 100,000 in total, 9k each would be sufficient. Evemail/convo me if interested. |
CrazyCoolie
Lucky Hydra Corp
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:32:00 -
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If anyone is interested in buying 2k worth of fin-u shares at a drastic discount send me a mail
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:51:00 -
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Ionia disappears then Eefrit disappears... odd since they were always helping each other all the time, bidding on auctions for each other, posting for each other, etc.
Not saying they are the same person, just saying the similarities are a bit interesting to look at.
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Florio
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.20 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Florio on 20/04/2008 19:08:40
Edited by: Florio on 20/04/2008 19:08:21
odd huh?
if you're going to scam, you don't take a whole load of money then pay most of it back before doing a runner. i mean, i must have got back at least 3b - 3.5b of the 4b invested via dividends.
and reputation is more important than isk.
so i find myself worried about eefrit: hope he's okey.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2008.04.21 06:37:00 -
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Eefrit is fine, just busy. I spoke with him briefly at the weekend.
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Unfamed II
FinFleet
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Posted - 2008.04.21 23:46:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Florio
Edited by: Florio on 20/04/2008 19:08:40
Edited by: Florio on 20/04/2008 19:08:21
odd huh?
if you're going to scam, you don't take a whole load of money then pay most of it back before doing a runner. i mean, i must have got back at least 3b - 3.5b of the 4b invested via dividends.
and reputation is more important than isk.
so i find myself worried about eefrit: hope he's okey.
My thoughts exactly, that would be the worst scam ever. 
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Segge Bolled
Caldari
Dirty Sexy Pilots
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.22 01:59:00 -
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It would have a sort of dark comedy to it. Imagine the evil mastermind, standing in his lair, screaming at the top of their lungs to the other half of their split personality complex "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN MOST OF THE MONEY BACK?" 
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D'Tann
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.25 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Segge Bolled
It would have a sort of dark comedy to it. Imagine the evil mastermind, standing in his lair, screaming at the top of their lungs to the other half of their split personality complex "WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN MOST OF THE MONEY BACK?"
HAHA, yeah that's funny...oh wait, except for the other 400b worth of investment.
Can't even unload the bonds now unless you just want to give away the interest from the missing month, which is about to become 2 months.
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