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cosmoray	Posted - 2008.04.27 06:41:00 - [91] The problem here is that Erefit set out his plan over a month ago. Where are the updates, the revisions, the reasons for not paying out "gauranteed dividends" on a bond. All options seem to lead to Erefit keeping a very large chunk of cash.
Elias Riikonen Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.27 20:55:00 - [92] Originally by: cosmoray The problem here is that Erefit set out his plan over a month ago. Where are the updates, the revisions, the reasons for not paying out "gauranteed dividends" on a bond. All options seem to lead to Erefit keeping a very large chunk of cash. It seems to me that Eefrit's motivation to play EVE has diminished, now that his business seems to have taken a significant turn for the worse. Quite understandable, but unfortunate for us shareholders, as is the fact that in his last communication he stated that whatever option he chooses for FIN, it will most likely include breaking the contract he has made with shareholders... One of these days I'll bother to check who was it that holds the collateral that exists for FIN (diminished in value though it is...), and ask them when they'll start liquedating it if Eefrit continues to take no action. (If you read this, feel free to comment sooner than that.)
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.04.27 21:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Elias Riikonen One of these days I'll bother to check who was it that holds the collateral that exists for FIN (diminished in value though it is...), and ask them when they'll start liquedating it if Eefrit continues to take no action. (If you read this, feel free to comment sooner than that.) I believe that would be Femtaki and Naphtalia, both who I dont think are very active in Eve either these days. It has been so long since I have seen either one, I most likely misspelled both of their names. --
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.28 06:14:00 - [94] Originally by: D'Tann AHA, yeah that's funny...oh wait, except for the other 400b worth of investment. Can't even unload the bonds now unless you just want to give away the interest from the missing month, which is about to become 2 months. I guess all the ISK in EVE can't buy someone a sense of humor, eh?
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:20:00 - [95] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Elias Riikonen One of these days I'll bother to check who was it that holds the collateral that exists for FIN (diminished in value though it is...), and ask them when they'll start liquedating it if Eefrit continues to take no action. (If you read this, feel free to comment sooner than that.) I believe that would be Femtaki and Naphtalia, both who I dont think are very active in Eve either these days. It has been so long since I have seen either one, I most likely misspelled both of their names. I don't believe Eefrit's motivation has changed, just his circumstances and the fact the RL is always > then EVE. I know he is waiting on a response from the Trustees before finalising details on FIN. I'm not sure what is happening with FIN-U or why it hasn't paid out this month. Either way you can be sure no one has or is planning on running with the collateral for either bond. And despite what may be evident, Eefrit is trying his utmost to do what is best for his bond holders and will do his best to keep to the letter of his agreement. [WTS] Shares \| Secured ISK Loans
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Ray McCormack Eefrit is trying his utmost to do what is best for his bond holders and will do his best to keep to the letter of his agreement. Is that the same agreement he'll be breaking? Originally by: Eefrit Timetable wise, I am planning for this weekend but it looks like there really may not be a vote option for FIN that does not break the investors agreement. - I'm not trying to be critical of Eefrit (happily supporting option 2 in view of the circumstances), I just wanted to say it before someone came out from beneath their bridge and did it with even less class.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.04.29 08:12:00 - [97] Originally by: Segge Bolled Originally by: Ray McCormack Eefrit is trying his utmost to do what is best for his bond holders and will do his best to keep to the letter of his agreement. Is that the same agreement he'll be breaking? Originally by: Eefrit Timetable wise, I am planning for this weekend but it looks like there really may not be a vote option for FIN that does not break the investors agreement. - I'm not trying to be critical of Eefrit (happily supporting option 2 in view of the circumstances), I just wanted to say it before someone came out from beneath their bridge and did it with even less class. I'd prefer not to argue semantics. [WTS] Shares \| Secured ISK Loans
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.04.30 07:55:00 - [98] Both bonds were never secured. Only FIN was secured, FINU was entirely unsecured iirc.
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.30 08:04:00 - [99] Originally by: Ray McCormack I'd prefer not to argue semantics. I'm glad. Firstly because I'm not even sure I'd "win" and second, because I'd hope that everyone else felt the same way. Sorry for using your comment as part of my mechanism for trying to express that.
D'Tann Phoenix Industries Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.30 22:37:00 - [100] Originally by: Segge Bolled Originally by: D'Tann AHA, yeah that's funny...oh wait, except for the other 400b worth of investment. Can't even unload the bonds now unless you just want to give away the interest from the missing month, which is about to become 2 months. I guess all the ISK in EVE can't buy someone a sense of humor, eh? No, not when a large chunk of mine appears to be about to disappear.
CrazyCoolie Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:01:00 - [101] Any News??????? DEUS VOLT
Worry Invicta.	Posted - 2008.05.09 01:46:00 - [102] So WTF ever happened? We were asked to vote and now? Jesus- just log in, figure it all out, liquidate the assets and pay out with what is left. Or log in and laugh at the suckers. Either way, an answer would be nice.
Soren PAK	Posted - 2008.05.09 06:33:00 - [103] Originally by: Worry So WTF ever happened? We were asked to vote and now? Jesus- just log in, figure it all out, liquidate the assets and pay out with what is left. Or log in and laugh at the suckers. Either way, an answer would be nice. Stop.. Worrying? lol ☠-->-->--
Savvy Entrepreneur	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:56:00 - [104] Aye, there is nothing to be done about it now, as it has already been said above, RL > EVE. There would have been better ways to deal with it, but that is beside the point, what is done has been done. I haven't been playing long, and I tell you I have little experience in the EVE market, MD boards, or with the people involved. However, from what I have found is that Eefrit still seems to be respected and trustworthy, and will continue to own and purchase more stock from him if that day comes, it is just that circumstances have panned out to delay payouts and votes. Until then, you don't have one of your bond payouts, but its not the end of your portfolio.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:59:00 - [105] Originally by: Savvy Entrepreneur complete balls Looking to offload your stock? [WTS] Shares \| Secured ISK Loans
clonkrieger Imperium Forces Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.11 00:45:00 - [106] Anyone selling shares? ___________________________ Returned after being absent. Updating...
Savvy Entrepreneur	Posted - 2008.05.11 02:58:00 - [107] ATM, no, I will hold onto my 50k, as it is the only possible assets I own, regardless of it being inactive and not making me isk. I am a patient man, I have been waiting for DF since '04, and have yet to waiver, so waiting for Eefrit is nothing difficult. If it never pays out again, so be it, I am still new enough in the game to find other sources of income.
Katashi Ishizuka	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:10:00 - [108] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Savvy Entrepreneur complete balls Looking to offload your stock? Give me a quote. I have approx 1.5~bil worth of shares that I'd like to liquidate, but I'm not in any huge hurry. Someday Eefrit will get around to honoring his buy-back policy.
Sewer Donkey	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:04:00 - [109] What are you offering for FIN-U shares
Were Donkey	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:18:00 - [110] meant to post with this char, fin-u offers?
Eefrit Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2008.05.11 17:59:00 - [111] My sincere apologies for the delay in posting here guys. I am creating a new thread with exactly what is happening in the next few minutes, so please look there for information on what is going on with FIN and FIN-U. Regards, Eefrit

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