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Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:00:00 - [1] Wait, you people are complaining about being Amarr right now, at the dawn of Amarr/Caldari online? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Msobe This thread delivers. Proof that hordes of FOTM chasers are jumping on the amarr wagon, and man are they getting confused when things don't work the way they've been claiming for years. <laffin> T2 and faction ammo have always decayed, and clueless people (who don't use them) have always been fond of claiming amarr have no ammo. Our ammo takes up less space, but once you are past your t1 days, thats the extent of the "ammo-less" weapon system advantage. Um, just to be clear, you do have "no ammo" when dealing with making money - and your ammo that actually costs, costs slightly more than the T1 ammo from other races. Ammo consumption really is not that big of a deal... and for ninja ratting, it can't be beat. No ammo consumption. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Msobe Money. Using faction ammo lets you make money faster. Faster enough to pay for itself, easily. Officer fits - in fact, most faction mods, even cheaper ones - offer less speed boost/isk. That profitability is much higher for Amarr than for any other race. I so feel sorry for you having so much cheaper faction ammo than I do. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Dont avoid the issue. Amarr pvp ships have ALOT more ammo cost in their cargo then any other ship. Thats the problem. No, lets not avoid this issue. Ok, so last time I took my Ishtar into combat, I used up about 12 million in drones for an encounter that I won - and even that was only in the space of a minute or two. Just be glad that people can't shoot your faction ammo out of space or your cargo hold. SO.... what was that about your faction ammo being expensive? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Angelic Eviaran As I said, lets stick with the issue. Faction missiles and ammo rounds much cheaper then faction crystals for pvp fittings. Dont dodge it. Yet faction and T2 laser ammo is far cheaper than "faction" or T2 drones. Seems like even in PVP your ammo isn't the most expensive. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 16:41:00 - [6] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 20/03/2008 16:40:50 Originally by: Rialtor IMO, you're making a silly comparison. Do t2 drones on an ishtar cost more than t2 drones on a geddon? Most good pvp ships have decent sized drone bays and they'd fit t2 drones in those bays, and I pray to god they'd deploy them at some point in a close battle. All you're saying is that the Amarrian pilot with t2 drones can potentially lose more when he dies in weapons than an ishtar pilot. Noone's forcing you to fit T2 damage drones to deal damage on a geddon... you could carry several flights of ECM drones and still put out a very respectable damage. Quote: While Angelic is inflammatory, to say he has no point is unjust. To say that he has a point to whine about is also unjust. Quote: Amarrian Pulse Boats carry at 16 crystals generally. AN MF L, and Scorch L. It averages out to 1mil a pop, which is rough 16 mill give or take 1-2mil. so you have a range of 14-18 million in ammo in your hold. So there's advantages and disadvantages to crystals. Ok. A Vexor is expected to carry roughly 11 million in just drones into combat. It's a cruiser FFS. An Arbitrator is expected to carry over 20M in drones into combat. An Ishtar carries between 20 and 40M in drones into combat, and a Dominix the same, and faction ammo. You're whining why, again? Quote: It's a great advantage in PvE, it's less so PvP as you can't partition the ammo you take into combat. Yeah. Plz cry moar. I'm really feeling it. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 16:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Yeah well if you wanna make silly comparisons with drones go compare the fitting of a harbinger with any comparable ship. It needs 7xscorch m, 7xamarr navy multifrq + 5xhammerhead II. Please explain wich other BC needs to pay this much for faction + t2 ammo/drones. You cant, you fail. Only 5x Hammerhead II's? Fail, check the Myrmidon which needs 10-12 Hammerhead II's, and mounds of faction Barrage, RF EMP M, and RF PP M. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 16:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Oh ffs, youre gonna fit it with ACs to prove your non existing point now? Geez. You fail. It's actually a rather commonly accepted thing to do on a Myrmidon........ -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 16:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 20/03/2008 16:56:02 Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Oh ffs, youre gonna fit it with ACs to prove your non existing point now? Geez. You fail. Only one of the best (and very popular) Myrmidon fits, lol. Maybe if the guy doesn't know the basics about other kinds of ships, he needs to just STFU and learn the game a bit more. Just saying. (Yes, I have actively flown Caldari, Amarr, Minnie, and Gallente). -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 17:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Rialtor Ishtar and Geddon have the same bay, so it depends on how you load your drones what the total cost in weapons will be. WTF?! -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 17:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Rialtor What you classify as whining is odd, but anyway. I'm saying there are advantages and disadvantages to crystals, somehow you call that whining. This deserves a post on its own. I used to push really hard for Amarr boosts, until I noticed the same Great Amarrian Whining Squad showing up in every thread, and claiming that Amarr were the worst at everything. EM damage always sucks. Even against unhardened shields, because someone can fit 3 EM hardeners and 2 thermal hardeners and resistance rigs. Lasers always suck, because they don't deal blaster damage at railgun range. TD's always suck, because they don't affect autocannons or missiles (yet, now autocannons are laid bare defenseless against them. Even lasers have better and more counters). The Apoc is the worst battleship in the game - for everything. Even after the boost. The Zealot is the worst HAC in the game - at everything. It has no redeeming qualities at all. Not one. The list really goes on and on - and even pointing out when they were balls out lying about things, or showing situations where Amarr wasn't actually the worst for that particular thing, just earned you the eternal ire and flaming of The Great Amarrian Whine Squad. It's just freaking bullcrap. Amarr are not the worst at everything. They are not screwed by everything. Not everything is lined up against you, and intelligent use of your ship will grant you victory. Your required skills are not worse than everyone's... God forbid anyone else needs to train a freaking cap skill ffs. Really, if The Great Amarrian Whine Squad would just stfu and stick to facts (rather than wanting every ship in the game to have 0 EM resist, the removal of EM hardeners, perfect tracking, ewar that 100% shuts down all incoming damage from everyone, perfect cap stability with 8 heavy neuts and 4 LARs and a MWD and 8 Tachs going all at the same time - and without a cap booster no less), then maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be such a backlash on The Great Amarrian Whine Squad when they start their damned whining. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Msobe liang for prez! Because all amarr pilots whine exactly as you spelled out. I mean, you would never cherry pick complaints and string them together as if they were a coherent representation of the community's (or even on person's pov). And its not as if there were people also making silly complaints and misstatements about other race's ships. Actually, the problem that I illustrated has come from specific people. In one thread, they disparage EM damage, and say that EM resists should be strongly nerfed, and that EM hardeners should be nerfed. The next discussion, the same person says that lasers need a 25-50% damage increase "just to remain competative". The next discussion, they complain that TD's don't affect missiles, and that somehow damps get around FOF missiles. The next discussion they say that the Ishtar and Geddon have the same drone bay (poke Rialtor :P) Etc. And yes, they argue for all of these simultaneously. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.

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