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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 01:59:00 -
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Please Review, and Read though out. If you Decide you would like to invest, or ask questions, please drop by Ramvent Rad Tac Channel ingame to talk to anyone listed on the Bond Offering.
Incoming Wall Of Text! Please Don't post till Its all here!
ò Chapter 1 - Summary of RRT
ò Chapter 2 - Background on origins/idea/current business
ò Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance
ò Chapter 4 - The Business Plan (either beginning or expanding)
ò Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets
ò Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Risks
ò Chapter 7 - Full Disclosure of Main and Alts
ò Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
ò Chapter 9 - IPO Phases, Dividends, Market Cap
ò Chapter 10 - FAQ
Chapter 1 - Summary of Ramvent Radiation Tactical
The Corporation Ramvent Radiation Tactical was founded by friends back in early 2006. The Corp was close and reopened a few days ago by the same group of friends in search of something more from there game play time. A lot of ideas where given and each was examined at a very close level to see what would be the best idea to work with future plans. Ramvent Radiation Tactical, referred to here in as RRT, was rebuilt with the principle idea to be the base of future plans for further expansion later down the road. RRT will be in the business of Simple and Complex Reactions. RRT will be dedicated to building quality products at the lowest cost to the consumer. RRT industrial wing is based in Empire Space and will handle the movement of Products to the market place and the site where it will be transported to a Null sec (0.0) Space to be reacted, then back to Low sec for transport to market regions though out Empire Space. Future plans include getting into T2 invention and building.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:00:00 -
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Chapter 2 - Background on origins/idea/current business
RRTÆs background can be traced back to 2006 when I started playing the game. As a new person in Eve I wanted to be with friends and people I could Trust. RRT had 3 members, who know each other in the World away from Eve. We talked each day, and learned together. A few years later we sit ready to further ourselves and explore new possibilities of Eve. There where many ideas purposed from these people and we looked at each one. In the end we decided that business of reactions would be the best thing for our future plans. The ability to cut overhead cost by building some of the items we would need later one was seen as a huge asset. The major plan is to invent and sell T2 ships, mods, Capital ships, and Advanced Capital parts. It was decided rather than jump straight into a sector thatÆs already very heavily covered to start with an end that would help fund those future programs. RRT sees the reaction of materials as just a stepping stone for our future plans. With the need for Tech 2 ship no where near going to slow down we though we would get in on the end of supplying materials needed to build those ships. RRT focus will be toward getting into this market and becoming of dominating force in the business. The business will be run by the people who originally started the corporation. There will also be input from shareholders on future plans of expansion. This will be covered in Chapter 3 û Corporate Governance. At this point in time RRT has no stakes in any holding or business details; we have been doing invention process at this point with limited luck, as skill training is not at optimal level to attempt this for profits. Inventions done at this point are for personal gain, and have not been sold. Plan in 8-10 months will include invention, which will be at optimal skill levels by them. The invention of the BPC is being funded from BPC sales of T1 ships and production of ships in Null sec. As RRT expands the use of these blueprint copies will increase. The copies of the current Blueprint Originals are being sold in both Null sec and High Sec. The sales of materials that will be produced will go to the markets of Eve as well as current prospective buyers who have invested there interest into what will be produced. More of this will be discussed in Detail in Chapter 4 û The Business plan. RRT is looking for people who want to invest into a company that is looking at the future. The process of invention will only help the reaction of materials sector grow. RRT wants to be on the forefront of this wave. With the recent boost to invention, this sector will just keep getting better, and current market trends will help this get better. With the Cost of T2 ships in decline, the demand for those ships will increase, and the demand for 0.0 Warfare is no where near a decline, the demand for these materials will be steady.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:01:00 -
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Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance
RRT will be setup with a panel advised by shareholders. The panel will be comprised of me and the two people who I consult with each day out of game. Control of the Corporation will be held by one character. He will retain 51% of the shares of the company, thus to ensure there will be no hostile take over of the company. The other 49% of the shares will be sold to cover the bond. Each investor will be given the chance to address any issue they think is not working with the company, and be given a chance to recommend changes to better the company. The day to day operations of the corporation will be run by the panel, and reports will be published twice a month with details about what is happening with the corporation. This report will be restricted to investors with a less detailed report being published each month on the day the dividends are paid. This report will be posted on the Corporation forums, and on Eve OnlineÆs Official Website under the Market Discussion Forums. As expansion is warranted from the increased profits, current investors and past investors will be given say in how this will be done, and given 1st offer for future plans. Audits will be done by a 3rd party at the request of investors to ensure that the ISK is spent where it is supposed to be. These audits will be made public to investors as requested. Every attempt will be made to ensure that public money is accounted for.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:01:00 -
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Chapter 4 - The Business Plan
RRT will be in the business of production of Simple and Complex reactions. The materials for these reactions will come from two places. The higher end materials will come from outside suppliers at a price below JitaÆs lowest sale orders, but high enough that the seller will maintain there profit margin while helping to decrease the overhead of RRT. The lower end materials will be purchased from contracts and buy orders set up in major hub areas and low security entry points to high security. Suppliers will be found and prices set that are both profitable for the seller and RRT. RRT will start with simple reactions and in months coming expand into higher end reactions as we get our foot in the door on this sector. Total dominance of this market is RRTÆs expressed goal. The products that will be reacted will be purchased in High security systems and moved to a secure low security jump out point. Once at the jump point the materials will be jumped via Capital Industrial Ship to the home system where the reactions will take place in null security. There are both benefits and risk for this. Both will be covered in Chapter 5 û Full disclosure of Risk. Fuel for the towers which will do the reactions will be mined in null security. By doing this it will decrease the cost of operations, and help provide stability for the system the tower will be anchored. The Tower will be anchored in a system with a high Sovereignty as well. This will further cut the cost of fuel. The only out of pocket cost for fuel will be NPC items. Which will be bought in bulk and jumped down to Null security? Cost of materials is estimated at current Jita prices. Please beware than these figures are based on this. Current prices will be the base for this estimate, and the cost will be broke down by hour, and day, with projected profits being in Blue. Also Note these figures are rounded up for ease of calculation. If you would like exact figures please eve-mail me.
Cost of Materials each hour for two reactions 12.6 million an hour. 12.6M x 24hours = 302.4 million per day. 302.4M x 31 (All figures will be based on 31 day month) = 9.375 Billion. This will cover the material cost per hour/day/month.
Projected profits will be calculated as in the same method as above, each being rounded for ease of calculation. Again if you would like exact figures please eve-mail me.
Projected profits for two reactions per hour: 2.847 million an hour. 2.847M x 24 hours = 68.328M. 68.328M x 31 (All figures will be based on a 31 Day month) = 2.119 Billion.
We will keep a month worth of reaction material on hand to ensure the process never stops. Finished products will be moved once a full load is ready to be jumped to empire. At which time it will be sold as stated above methods.
Chapter 4 - Statement of Assets
RRT Asset list at this point is very short. The Corporation owns 2 Battle cruisers BPOÆs a full set of Cruiser BPOÆs and a full set of Frigate BPOÆs. As well as one of each ship interface used for invention. The Corporation also owns 2 Mining Barge BPOÆs. There are a host of other BPOÆs from Ammo to Mods and some Capital Mod BPOÆs. The recent purchase of a Freighter Alt was also bought for use in the corporation. His name will be disclosed in Chapter 6 û Full Disclosure of Main and Alts.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:02:00 -
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Chapter 5 - Full Disclosure of Risks
RRT like any operation will have its own risk to deal with. Below I have listed the risk that I think will be the biggest hazards for this operation, and ways I think this risk can be dealt with.
òFall of the Alliance where the reactions will take place.
1.At the signs of all out War, the tower and all materials will be taken to a low security system and anchored within RRTÆs Corp. Only reason this is not being done, is because the fuel cost are good enough to warrant this risk. My Alliance has held its current space for well over two years with no-one contesting it. I highly doubt any attack upon the alliance will meet with its doom.
òThe Corporation I am a member of leaves the alliance.
1.As with any corporation threes always the possibility that the corporation leaves the alliance. The Corporation I am a member of is a heavy hitter with our alliance. As such I do not see my Current Corporation leaving the alliance. But if this should happen, the towers will be moved to a low security system and put under direct control of RRT.
òReal Life issues: This needs to be put in here because things happen.
1.If there is any issue that would fall here, there are two other people who can run operations in the absences of one person. These people I trust fully. I know both in Real life, and see at least once a week if not more, not to include talking on the phone with both daily for hours at a time to work though things that might show up.
òMarket fallout: This is eve, the markets are ever changing.
1.The market will be watched daily to ensure prices are still at a profitable level.
2.Outsider buyers will help reduce this. These buyers have a demand for the products where seeking to make. Thus will help eliminate these worries some.
3.Prices which we will buy materials will be lower than buy order in major trade hubs. With outside suppliers this will help boost profit margins some. This boost should help us remain on top of the market throughout the length of the bond.
òLoss of Ship/Materials: Life in Null sec can be hard. Below is the plan to help prevent this.
1.Movement of all material will be done w/ an escort in system.
2.The Tower where the reaction will take place is in a dead end system. Only one way in and one way out. The same system has a Station in it. This is one of the core stations in the alliance, itÆs guarded heavily.
3.Transport from null sec to high sec and back will be 2 jumps in a Capital Industrial Ship. Both jumps will be to heavily armed Control towers. One of these towers is owned by my alliance and is part of our Cyno Chain thatÆs heavily guarded and armed. The other tower is owned by my corporation and is armed heavily as well. Both towers are able to Tank Several Capital ships for at least 45 minutes. Thus there will be no cynos that anyone would want to warp too.
4.The end system is one jump from a high security system. It is under ten jumps from a major trade hub, with no other low security jumps. An Escort from the station to the gate will be done w/ no less than 3 people in local to guard the freighter. There will be an alt in RRT that is able to Web the freighter to instant warp it to the Gate once aligned. If anyone in local that canÆt be found, the freighter will wait. Movement though high security systems will not be done via auto pilot. The freighter will be jumped to 0.
5.If any ship does get lost between these processes, the ship and all minerals lost will be paid for from my personal wallet as to make sure profits are maintained, and all ships replaced.
òFinancial Risk: Should the business become non profitable then the exit strategy will be put in place. This will be discussed at Length in Chapter 7- Exit Strategy.
I am sure there are other small risk that can be part of this that I have not though about. I will be glad to discuss any concerns with you. I am more than willing to talk to you one on one about this.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:02:00 -
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Chapter 6 - Full Disclosure of Main and Alts
My main is Ohpo. He has been around since early 2006. Although I am not known from the forums, I have done business with E-Bank before and I am sure Ricdic will give me a good word. The other two major players in the Bond are Rose Moonlight and Happy. Rose Moonlight is run by a friend whose old toon was Kiera0990 and Lasgavon. Neither toon is owned by him now. Both where sold to buy Rose? The third person might be a bit better known. His name is Happy. Happy has been playing since 2 weeks after release with breaks taking though out the age of the toon. I recommend that you talk to each of us at length, we encourage you to get to know us, and know what we are doing, in fact, and do this before you buy any shares at all. It's a good habit to get into if you're a first time investor. Mill1ken will be the control character for RRT. He was a recent purchase. He will be the freighter pilot.
Ohpo alts are the following:
Genrir (Market Watch Toon)
Mill1ken (RRT Manager/Shareholder)
Rose Moonlight
Delphi Douchebag (Cyno Alt)
Duality Temptress (Training for PVP and Probing)
Loopie (Cyno Alt)
Slasher 69 (Research Alt)
Slsher117 (Research Alt in RicdicÆs Corp R-R-A)
Happy has just himself
Chapter 7 - Exit Strategy
Should RRT fail, all assets will be liquidated and the isk from that will be used to buy back shares at 95% of there original value. I will take the rest of the isk needed to buy back all bonds from my personal wallet. The Liquidation will take place with a shareholder appointed overseer. Once all bonds are bought back the Corp will be closed.
Chapter 8 - Bond Phases, Dividends, Market Cap
Total Number of Shares
600,000
Shares Allocated for Bond
300,000
Price per Share
8,700,000
Anticipated Market Capitalization
26,100,000,000
Dividend Schedule
Monthly dividends will be paid on the first day of each month. All Dividends should be expected to be paid out on the 1st of each month unless you are given advance notice of RL issues. This will be done by post on forums.
Total Dividend Payment
1,820,000,000
Projected Return per Dividend Payment(%)
7.0%
Projected Return per Share
70,000
Bond offering will consist of 2 phases
Phase 1 - Shares are sold to brokers and institutional investors
Phase 2 - Shares are sold to the public
Maturity of the bond will be set to mature on is perpetuities which means there is no fixed date of maturity. Although the bond is open ended there will be a buy back program in place to buy back bonds each month. This program will work as follows.
Original holders of the bond, meaning you where the original buyer of the bond from RRT, will be given rights to sell bonds back at 102% of there original value. The shares will need to be sold back 14 days before the next scheduled dividend is paid. Buy back under this option will only be open 14 days before the next dividends are paid. Name of original share holders will be tracked along w/ the original number of bonds that where bought. Sale back of bonds over the original amount will be sold back under the 2nd program.
Shares sold/bought in Exchanges will be bought back at 90% of there original value plus the next months dividends. Again the bonds will only be bought back 14 days before the next scheduled dividends are paid.
A cap of 1500 bonds will be bought back during this period. Once the limit for the period is meet, I will post on the Market forums that the months buy back is closed. Original Holders will be given 1st option to sell back then anyone else.
The Shares of RRT will be open to at least one public exchange. I will get with the owners of each exchange to determine which one will be listing the stocks.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:03:00 -
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Chapter 8 - FAQ
Q: How do I know this isn't a scam?
As with any investment there is always a risk for a scam. I can do no more to assure you other than allow you to ask Ricdic about my history with him. My dealing w/ E-Bank are at full disclose to any investor. Just send me a private Chat and I will invite Ricdic in to the Chat and you can ask him anything you want.
Q: How do you know you'll be successful?
I have had Kwint Sommers review all my market data. He has verified that my plans can be profitable. After that itÆs on my ability to be a salesman and watch the markets, which I do on a daily basis. Although this is no promise that I will, a bit of assurance in a troubled world can make a bit of difference. I will also sit down with any investor and discuss anything you want to know. Short of telling you what we will be reacting and the market info on that.
Q: Why are you doing this?
I have Reached a point where I looking to do more. I think I can make an impact on the market over time. Like dropping pebbles in a lake the ripple moves out slowly and expands getting stronger the bigger the pebble. RRT is in fact a small pebble in a large lake. As we grow we want to make ourselves better know as a supplier to customers all over Eve. Thus we go, and our ripples will have more impact.
Q: Do you intend to have an audit done at some point?
I will have an audit done at investorÆs request. I got nothing to hide. I just need to find someone as E-Bank no longer does them.
Q: What's your background?
I am and my partners are just your run of the mill Eve players. We want to become more. Right now was your basic Jack of All Trades, master of none. The drive to better ourselves in game is there. We just need the chance to shine.
Q: Will you ever buy back shares?
Yes, we plan 100% buy back. We donÆt want to give out our Kool-aid for the rest of our lives, but we realize it will take time to do it. Bond will be set buy back starting 8 months after the 1st dividend is paid. We will buy back at 95% of original sell price + the next monthÆs dividend. This should ensure everyoneÆs happy to include us.
Q: Will you ever pay over 7% dividends?
We look to never go below 7%. As such once we buy back shares, the same payout will be made. Thus Share prices will increase. We reserve the right to begin buy back early if itÆs decided. If your shares are bought back or you decide to sell, we ask you sell to us 1st before you trade them.
Q: What if someone War Decs RRT?
RRT will be a 2 Person Corporation. That is why and more than likely we can flux things to where nothing will be a target. The type of freighter that will be use is able to be flown by another toon in another corp. So we can go around that problem. If movement becomes an Issue, I will contract the loads out to a trusted person at 110% value of the cargo to get them to market.
Q: Where else can I contract you out of game?
You can find me on MSN at [email protected] or Sol952 on yahoo IM. I am always online, or I am on Eve. Just find me either place.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:04:00 -
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Q: How will the Star base be defended?
Life of Null security can be a tricky business. There are risk, and I feel that the risk of the tower needs to be addressed. First, let me point out a few things. The tower will be in a Consultation Capital (Solv 4). This provides many benefits and securities for the tower. The most important is this. The tower can't be attacked as long as the sovereignty has to be down graded. To do this you need to take out a station system in the Constellation. This is not something that can be done in a day, as most towers in 0.0 will go into reinforcement for a while. This will give me time to remove the tower from harms way. Second all the systems in the Constellation are Cyno Jammed except the Capital itÆs self. As you can't attack anything in the Capital no need to cyno jam it if nothing else is getting attacked, but should a system in the constellation does get attacked it will be jammed. These two alone provide a huge boost for the security of the tower. Third the tower will be armed to the teeth See below for items to be bought. The tower largest thing the tower will have to deal with is a Battleship gang, with this set up the tower will be able to take out a large Battleship fleet. Fourth the tower will be defended by everyone in the alliance. It will have a host of Capitals and support fleet. Though in the history of this alliance they never have been contested in home systems.
Q: What will the ISK be used for?
Below is a list of the Items the ISK will be used for. It will list the items but no values as prices change in Eve almost on the hour.
òMedium Faction Rail guns x8
òSmall Faction Blasters x8
òLarge Faction Rail gun x4
òShadow Large Tower
òFaction Warp Scram x2
òFaction Webber x2
òSilo x6
òReactor x2
òCapital Industrial Ship x1
òFreighter x1
òNPC fuel for tower
òReaction Materials for a month
òItems for the Capital Industrial Ship
òReaction Print x2
òRepayment of two loans from E-Bank. This will free up two billion a month in Capital which is made from Sale of Game time codes and other items. I will be happy to show you the Sales history on the gtc. This can be done via api when asked for by investors.
Closing: Thank you for taking the time to look at this bond Issue. Though I am unknown to most on these forums, I will be more than willing to prove my background. Please feel free to talk to me should you have any questions or concerns about this bond. I will be happy to address them with you. I have listed alternative contact information should I not be in game. I am home everyday and on most the day if not on Eve then on either of the IMÆs. Please feel free to give me time to answer your questions.
Warm Regards,
Mill1ken RRT
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:05:00 -
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To invest into this bond please send isk to Mill1ken. Upon reciept of ISK Shares will be transfered to you. The amount you invest must be in whole numbers. Any more will be rounded down and sent back. Your Shares will be noted. Please Note This is a total Public offer, Anyone is welcome to invest.
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ohpo
Sky Net Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:06:00 -
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Reserved For Future use.
I am a Named Main on this Bond
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Rose Moonlight
Sky Net Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:08:00 -
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I am replying as a Named Main on This Bond. Reserved for Future use
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happy
Dawn of Fire
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:09:00 -
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I am replying as a named Main On this Bond.
If your happy and you know it clap your hands...... and if your not happy and you know it, .....its probaly because i just podded
you
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Mill1ken
Chapter 4 - The Business Plan
Cost of Materials each hour for two reactions 12.6 million an hour. 12.6M x 24hours = 302.4 million per day. 302.4M x 31 (All figures will be based on 31 day month) = 9.375 Billion. This will cover the material cost per hour/day/month.
Projected profits will be calculated as in the same method as above, each being rounded for ease of calculation. Again if you would like exact figures please eve-mail me.
Projected profits for two reactions per hour: 2.847 million an hour. 2.847M x 24 hours = 68.328M. 68.328M x 31 (All figures will be based on a 31 Day month) = 2.119 Billion.
This part confuses me. Are you saying your material costs for a 31 day period will be 9.375 billion while your projected profits for that same period will be 2.119 billion?
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Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way. |
Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:43:00 -
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Perhaps he meant "net profit" vs "gross profit"
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Mill1ken
Chapter 4 - The Business Plan
Cost of Materials each hour for two reactions 12.6 million an hour. 12.6M x 24hours = 302.4 million per day. 302.4M x 31 (All figures will be based on 31 day month) = 9.375 Billion. This will cover the material cost per hour/day/month.
Projected profits will be calculated as in the same method as above, each being rounded for ease of calculation. Again if you would like exact figures please eve-mail me.
Projected profits for two reactions per hour: 2.847 million an hour. 2.847M x 24 hours = 68.328M. 68.328M x 31 (All figures will be based on a 31 Day month) = 2.119 Billion.
Materials prices are based on Jita market Prices. The material that is pushing the cost per hour up will be bought from a outside source cheaper than this. These numbers are based on the highest sell orders from Jita. Kwint Sommers has seen my data, and has checked it. Profits project will be that yes.
This part confuses me. Are you saying your material costs for a 31 day period will be 9.375 billion while your projected profits for that same period will be 2.119 billion?
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:41:00 -
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Thats a lot of text.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mill1ken
Incoming Wall Of Text! Please Don't post till Its all here!
You where warned!
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Trading Bunnz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:48:00 -
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At the end of the day:
a) unknown/new to MD toon
b) trying to raise 26b
c) to pay off a loan and
d) run a SINGLE reaction tower in 0.0
Kwint may or may not know his numbers (I'm confident he does), but saying that doesn't mean anything. If you require 26b to fund a single tower, you are going to be in a world of hurt. You have, from what I can see, no expertise in the logistics field or the reaction/pos management field.
I wish you luck (I want more people reacting stuff dammit!) but I honestly think you need to go back to the drawing board and launch something a tad more realistic for a newcomer.
FRPB Shares in Default |
Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Trading Bunnz
At the end of the day:
a) unknown/new to MD toon
b) trying to raise 26b
c) to pay off a loan and
d) run a SINGLE reaction tower in 0.0
Kwint may or may not know his numbers (I'm confident he does), but saying that doesn't mean anything. If you require 26b to fund a single tower, you are going to be in a world of hurt. You have, from what I can see, no expertise in the logistics field or the reaction/pos management field.
I wish you luck (I want more people reacting stuff dammit!) but I honestly think you need to go back to the drawing board and launch something a tad more realistic for a newcomer.
Yes I am new to MD fourms.
Yes 26B from a New comer is a lot to ask. Then again I seen some looking for more/less.
Yes by paying off a loan It will free up captial to be used to run the business.
The Tower and equiptment its self is not the Cost, Its the Material needed to do so that pushes the cost up.
Trading Bunnz I can't tell you I know logistics, I can't tell you I know reactions. But I can tell you I have done my research, I have looked at all possible things that can happen. Starting out I will make 300M profit. Does not bother me to do this. As it will Help me build a base within the MD community. Everyone needs to start somewhere. Again If your not comfortable investing thats your business. But I will be here to answer any questions you have.
Mill1ken
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Kwint may or may not know his numbers (I'm confident he does), but saying that doesn't mean anything.
I did indeed review his numbers on producing 2 simple reactions and agreed that it was profitable. Quite so at the moment though such things have a way of changing. He also mentioned that he had worked his way up in an alliance and one of the perks of this position was access to certain moon minerals at sub-Jita rates which would make this even more profitable. However, I only reviewed 1 tower making 2 simple products, I have no knowledge of the rest of the IPO.
When I originally looked at this IPO I had no idea it would be 26B. I'm really quite concerned by that number. The reactions neither require this amount of capital nor do the profits from them warrant it. There's also the issue of no security and no public history. Suffice it to say I will not be investing.
Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals |
Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Trading Bunnz
Kwint may or may not know his numbers (I'm confident he does), but saying that doesn't mean anything.
I did indeed review his numbers on producing 2 simple reactions and agreed that it was profitable. Quite so at the moment though such things have a way of changing. He also mentioned that he had worked his way up in an alliance and one of the perks of this position was access to certain moon minerals at sub-Jita rates which would make this even more profitable. However, I only reviewed 1 tower making 2 simple products, I have no knowledge of the rest of the IPO.
When I originally looked at this IPO I had no idea it would be 26B. I'm really quite concerned by that number. The reactions neither require this amount of capital nor do the profits from them warrant it. There's also the issue of no security and no public history. Suffice it to say I will not be investing.
Either way Kwint, Thanks for your post.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:18:00 -
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EBANK currently hold 7b worth of securities of Ohpo's. After he has consolidated his debt with EBANK he has requested we continue holding onto the securities.
In the event of scam/default, EBANK will be able to liquidate his assets and offer investors approximately 25% of their investment back (assuming 7b of collateral is resold at 6.5b)
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ohpo
Sky Net Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:32:00 -
[23]
As Ricdic has stated All assets will remain w/ E-Bank.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:02:00 -
[24]
Off to Bed for the Night, please mail Me ingame If you wish to purchase or have questions.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2008.03.20 08:35:00 -
[25]
hmm.. I'm just not sure about this one. The prdicted profits leave absolutely no room for problems if you are to meet the 7% per month targets. It also leaves very little profit for yourself. You may be ok with this now but after a few months things can easilly change.
The fact that around 25% of the bond is secured is nice but is really a low enough percentage to be irrelevant. More of a consolation amount if somthing were to go wrong.
Normally, I don't invest in risky ventures (and this is a risky venture on several levels) unless there is a corresponding reward. For me, 7% per month is simply not enough reward to balance out the risk of investing. Furthmore, you can't increase the percentage because you have no room left to adjust.
I commend you for your attention to detail and disclosure but I won't be investing.
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Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.03.20 10:46:00 -
[26]
I have so many concerns about this offer that I hardly know where to start.
But let's try anyway.....Before asking for public money the op needs to demonstrate his competence and capability at making isk using his OWN isk.
As far as I can see the only competence the op seems to have shown is buying gtcs with real money and selling them for isk.
The op doesn't seem to understand that doing this is the equivalent of continually pressing the 'I lose eve' button
People in here buy gtcs for sure.....BUT they buy them with isk not real money.......most people in here play for free via the profits they make from their trading abilities.
The op needs to demonstrate some verifiable isk making capabilities before even dreaming of asking for public money
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cosmoray
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:24:00 -
[27]
Please can you clarify if this is a bond or an IPO.
A bond has fixed payments, and a bond repurchase.
An IPO is a company launch, that gives the public a chance to buy shares with a variable dividend (usually with some guidance).
Your offer kind of says its both. The issue of bonds vs IPO is quite important atm.
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cosmoray
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:29:00 -
[28]
You have access to moon mats lower than Jita prices.
This shouldn't really be counted in the P&L calculations. You could just re-sell these mats and make cash as a hauler.
Price the mats at market price for corp profit calculation. These are variables that can change quickly.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 15:26:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Roguehalo
I have so many concerns about this offer that I hardly know where to start.
But let's try anyway.....Before asking for public money the op needs to demonstrate his competence and capability at making isk using his OWN isk.
As far as I can see the only competence the op seems to have shown is buying gtcs with real money and selling them for isk.
The op doesn't seem to understand that doing this is the equivalent of continually pressing the 'I lose eve' button
People in here buy gtcs for sure.....BUT they buy them with isk not real money.......most people in here play for free via the profits they make from their trading abilities.
The op needs to demonstrate some verifiable isk making capabilities before even dreaming of asking for public money
All Data pulled shows the ablity to make ISK. As said before most of the isk used will be for start up purposes. Nothing more. As for ablity to make ISK. I don't think thats the promble as much as the fact I am unknown here. Fact that I sell GTCS means nothing. Sell of GTCS though legal, some see as bad. Either way Its something I do, and will continue to do. If people like my self did not sell GTCS then others would not beable to play for free. And yes I do have ISK invested into this project of my own already. Hope this help Mill1ken
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 15:28:00 -
[30]
Originally by: cosmoray
Please can you clarify if this is a bond or an IPO.
A bond has fixed payments, and a bond repurchase.
An IPO is a company launch, that gives the public a chance to buy shares with a variable dividend (usually with some guidance).
Your offer kind of says its both. The issue of bonds vs IPO is quite important atm.
This is a Bond as stated before. and If you read above yes there will be a buy back. But The option is there to trade the shares on change like IPO stocks.
Yes i could purchase my high end materials from supplier and resell, but as part of that agreement w/ Them I am not allowed to resell raw materials. And I will not voilate this agreement.
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Minerva Vulcan
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.03.20 17:10:00 -
[31]
There's something about this that doesn't sit well with me, though I just woke up so I'll have to find the words for it later.
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Daallie
Dynasty Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.20 18:37:00 -
[32]
Excellent plan and lay out. I have just one question before I decide to invest. Do you already have suppliers lined up? if not How do you plan on gathering these suppliers?
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 18:57:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Daallie
Excellent plan and lay out. I have just one question before I decide to invest. Do you already have suppliers lined up? if not How do you plan on gathering these suppliers?
For the High end materials that are to bulk of the cost Yes I do. Hes able to supply 4 moons a months worth of this material. the Lower end stuff will be picked up from buy orders and some from my alliance. As far as buyers for the end product. I will be have a buyer for one already, and possible the 2nd reaction. Although I don't want to give away my contacts I will say I will be below jita prices.
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Zorrill
Great Gig in the Sky
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Posted - 2008.03.20 19:31:00 -
[34]
Is this a sales thread or is that seperate somewhere? I am interested in investing in this should you be able to gather the rest of the capital. It seems to me that you have done your best to minimise risk and even should your plans go awry, most of the assets should remain fairly liquid. I can't say whether you will scam, but leaving some assets with Ebank has to be a good sign.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 19:46:00 -
[35]
This is the sales thread. Also Note all Items bought will be assets towards this bond as well.
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Zorrill
Great Gig in the Sky
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Posted - 2008.03.20 19:57:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Mill1ken
Also Note all Items bought will be assets towards this bond as well.
I should hope so. I will take 500M isk worth of shares should you get the rest of your investment, if you are taking private investors at this time.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:00:00 -
[37]
Stop by Ramvent Rad Tatical. At this time The Bond has had 24 hrs for Other business to invest so its open to all at this time.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:10:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Mill1ken
Stop by Ramvent Rad Tatical. At this time The Bond has had 24 hrs for Other business to invest so its open to all at this time.
Judging by the timestamp on your original post, it hasn't had 24 hours. Not sure why that's important anyways but I felt the need to point that out.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 20:42:00 -
[39]
Well true, it was posted about 9pm Central time. But anyway if you want to invest please stop by the public channel or Conv me I tending to be on all day!
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.03.20 21:06:00 -
[40]
I would like to suggest that rather than using a Capital Industrial you just use an Occator. When properly fitted they can't be caught in low sec except by absolutely giant gate camps or insta-locking, remote sensor boosted heavy interdictors. I personally moved at least 20B in ferrogel through low sec using one and I'm sure I moved lots of other valuable things before I got my JF.
Nice as using capital ships are, they're damn expensive and I'm afraid 1 POS just doesn't warrant the cost. A properly fit Occator will also run about 100M but that's still less than the cost of any capital ship, hell it's less than the capital ship skill.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 21:09:00 -
[41]
Kwint thats whats going to be used to move it around. but its too many jumps from High sec to the system to chance loosing it. As stand I jump from one systems straight to a pos sit in the shield wait for recharge, then jump to another pos in Low sec. Both towers are able to kill dreads :)But for movement from the low sec to high sec will be done w/ a transport ship. To be exact it will be a Blockaid runner of Gallente type which I own as is fully fitted and rigged.
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Zorrill
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Posted - 2008.03.20 21:32:00 -
[42]
I think that this offering is about the best that can be done without already having trust in these forums. He has provided as much information as anyone could possibly want, and has provided me with more in his public channel (ramvent rad tac). I know that he has been quizzed by some of the market regulars as well who no doubt had more relevant questions than me. However, as soon as my withdrawal from Ebank comes through I will be putting my money where my mouth is and purchasing 1000 shares. I believe that shortly there will be a block purchase of these shares, so all the small investors who complain about not being able to get in on the ground level, now is the time. It is a risk, and I can make no assurances whatsoever, but don't complain when the shares are all gone. Worthy of note from our conversation is that should profits be higher than expected, Mill1ken has stated to me that dividends will also be higher, his share will remain the same. Please note that I'm not associated with, or an alt of, the OP. And I have nothing to gain by proving I'm not, so I won't bother.
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Amarr Citizen 155
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Posted - 2008.03.20 21:41:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Mill1ken
Hi, I am Looking for someone who is willing to invest there time to do a audit on a Bond. This will need to be done each month, and you will be paid for your time. I would like someone very well known on these forums to do this and I ask you have no stake in my bond offering. Please stop by public channel Ramvent Rad Tac or conv me about this.
Mill1ken
I assume the cost of paying an auditor will be included in the costs associated with your bond. I honestly do not see how you are going to make anything when you
A.) are going to pay an auditor a monthly fee.
B.) from our discussion last night you have basically put no value on the jump fuel or the ice products for your towers because you plan on mining them yourself I.e i minedit so that makes it free concept
C.) you also told me last night that your corp will be supplying jump fuel as they will be the ones doing the jumps, are they simply going to eat the costs of jump fuel every month?
Honestly, at this point I don't think this is a scam and yes his offering is well detailed. But, I have serous doubts about someone who does not put a value on their time. In our chat last night you mentioned 300m profit after it was all said and done. I really don't see how this is correct considering the costs that are not being calculated into that total. And honestly, considering the work involved even if you will be making 300m is it really worth the effort for such a small sum of isk in a 31 day period?
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.20 22:12:00 -
[44]
I am not going to touch the debate about time in game being of any value. Thats another story and no where near related to this.
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Emotek
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.21 02:55:00 -
[45]
I would like to purchase 2,000 shares at the price of 1 million ISK per share for a total transfer of 2 billion ISK. I will deposit the cash into your account as it is recieved from EBANK and post notice here once deposited. Thank you and I wish you good luck in this project.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.21 03:05:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zorrill
I think that this offering is about the best that can be done without already having trust in these forums. He has provided as much information as anyone could possibly want, and has provided me with more in his public channel (ramvent rad tac). I know that he has been quizzed by some of the market regulars as well who no doubt had more relevant questions than me. However, as soon as my withdrawal from Ebank comes through I will be putting my money where my mouth is and purchasing 1000 shares. I believe that shortly there will be a block purchase of these shares, so all the small investors who complain about not being able to get in on the ground level, now is the time. It is a risk, and I can make no assurances whatsoever, but don't complain when the shares are all gone. Worthy of note from our conversation is that should profits be higher than expected, Mill1ken has stated to me that dividends will also be higher, his share will remain the same. Please note that I'm not associated with, or an alt of, the OP. And I have nothing to gain by proving I'm not, so I won't bother.
Shares Transfered, Welcome to the Family
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.21 03:06:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Emotek
I would like to purchase 2,000 shares at the price of 1 million ISK per share for a total transfer of 2 billion ISK. I will deposit the cash into your account as it is recieved from EBANK and post notice here once deposited. Thank you and I wish you good luck in this project.
Shares Transfered, Welcome to the Family
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MilowFV
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Posted - 2008.03.21 03:53:00 -
[48]
Edited by: MilowFV on 21/03/2008 03:54:22
Well I ve been lurking in the forum for awhile and figure I like to try investing in eve finantial market a bit so will give it a go. I would like to pick up 500 shares @ 1million isk/share for a total of 500 million ISK. I will transfer the ISK tommorow to Mill1ken if this is acceptable. It will be sometime after 2 PM PST (US).
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Caliwyrm O'Libr
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:02:00 -
[49]
Why don't you just sell the mothership you kept telling everyone you owned but couldn't fly? Aren't you also forgetting to mention at least 1 alt of yours?
(Honest questions, btw. Check both Ohpo's employment history and my own)
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:24:00 -
[50]
Originally by: MilowFV
Edited by: MilowFV on 21/03/2008 03:54:22
Well I ve been lurking in the forum for awhile and figure I like to try investing in eve finantial market a bit so will give it a go. I would like to pick up 500 shares @ 1million isk/share for a total of 500 million ISK. I will transfer the ISK tommorow to Mill1ken if this is acceptable. It will be sometime after 2 PM PST (US).
I have reservered you 500 Shares, please transfer when your ready.
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:25:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr
Why don't you just sell the mothership you kept telling everyone you owned but couldn't fly? Aren't you also forgetting to mention at least 1 alt of yours?
(Honest questions, btw. Check both Ohpo's employment history and my own)
Caliwyrm, The toon which you are asking has been sold w/ the ship.
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:26:00 -
[52]
100 Shares for Virox Sci Transfered. Welcome to the Family
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.21 04:46:00 -
[53]
I will be offline w/ Mill1ken, but online w/ Rose Moonlight, please conv her if you have questions.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:39:00 -
[54]
Daily Bump Back up! Online now!
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Emotek
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:47:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Mill1ken
Originally by: Emotek
I would like to purchase 2,000 shares at the price of 1 million ISK per share for a total transfer of 2 billion ISK. I will deposit the cash into your account as it is recieved from EBANK and post notice here once deposited. Thank you and I wish you good luck in this project.
Shares Transfered, Welcome to the Family
2 billion ISK has been transfered to user Mill1ken at 2008.03.21 1544. Also confirming that shares have been recieved numbering 2,000. Thank you.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:05:00 -
[56]
I am back and Online. Should need me.
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MilowFV
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:59:00 -
[57]
500 million ISK sent
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:03:00 -
[58]
ISK recieved and Shares Transfered. Welcome to the Family
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:17:00 -
[59]
I have absolutely no idea what's going on in this thread, but I love the mental image I get of a tactical bond offering.
MP
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:25:00 -
[60]
I would like to buy a few shares in the tune of 20.
20 million isk will be sent when I get back from work roughly 7 hours.
Slade
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:17:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
I have absolutely no idea what's going on in this thread, but I love the mental image I get of a tactical bond offering.
MP
MP its a Bond offerings thats forsale at current.
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I would like to buy a few shares in the tune of 20.
20 million isk will be sent when I get back from work roughly 7 hours.
Slade
20 Shares will be held for 24 hours for you. Conv ingame once your here.
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Mill1ken
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Posted - 2008.03.22 03:11:00 -
[63]
Out for the Evening, See ya tommorow.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.22 15:16:00 -
[64]
still open!
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.22 17:07:00 -
[65]
Got cought up at a sweet concert last night. Heading home and will convo when I get there.
Slade
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.23 01:27:00 -
[66]
Shares Sent, Thank you, Welcome to the Family.
Still have Shares forsale! Conv me if you need more information.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.23 05:29:00 -
[67]
Share Holders Please Review the purposed vote.
Thanks Mill1ken
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Zorrill
Great Gig in the Sky
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Posted - 2008.03.23 22:13:00 -
[68]
I assume the cost of paying an auditor will be included in the costs associated with your bond. I honestly do not see how you are going to make anything when you
A.) are going to pay an auditor a monthly fee.
B.) from our discussion last night you have basically put no value on the jump fuel or the ice products for your towers because you plan on mining them yourself I.e i minedit so that makes it free concept
C.) you also told me last night that your corp will be supplying jump fuel as they will be the ones doing the jumps, are they simply going to eat the costs of jump fuel every month?
Honestly, at this point I don't think this is a scam and yes his offering is well detailed. But, I have serous doubts about someone who does not put a value on their time. In our chat last night you mentioned 300m profit after it was all said and done. I really don't see how this is correct considering the costs that are not being calculated into that total. And honestly, considering the work involved even if you will be making 300m is it really worth the effort for such a small sum of isk in a 31 day period?
I feel that these points need to be answered. The offer for a monthly audit I feel was an after thought in order to increase trust in this bond. I don't actually feel that this would be a necessary addition, the issue appears to be not trust but profitability.
From what I gather, the jump fuel and ice products will constitute part of the 300M "wages" that Mill1ken will draw from this bond. Thus making it not free at all but part of a paid for salary. And 300M a month, whilst it may not be much to members of the MD forum, remains a decent income for most.
If the corp is providing jump fuel, they will also be profiting from the transaction. I know someone raised the point of why use a capital ship, the spare capacity may well be used for corp purposes and therefore they are not providing the fuel from the good of their hearts, the OP is providing the Cap ship and they are merely fueling it, seems like a good exchange. I maintain that this is a worthwhile investment which I would not wish to see fail hrough a lack of explanation.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.24 02:48:00 -
[69]
This Bond Issue for RRT is now closed. Due to lack of interest into the bond I am forced to close it. Those who have invested will see the ISK has been returned to you promptly a few mins ago. For those who believed this would work thank you. I put togather the bond to do a start up. At this time project will worked on my own. Theres a lot of work that went into the research and placement of this bond. Markets right now seem to be up in the air because those who can't manage there business. This is the key factor in my though that has not given the push for this bond. The fact I am unknown should pay no respect to my ablity to run a profitable business. I will begin my work on this project with out support of any outside people. I will be avaible for the rest of the evening to talk to anywho wish to know more.
Respectfully,
Mill1ken
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.24 03:46:00 -
[70]
Ohpo, try and see what areas of your business people were questioning and try and improve those aspects.
I know you are currently reducing your EBANK debt. If you re-request a bond without the EBANK loan covered it may be taken on a bit better by investors. I think people have held off on your business for a few reasons:
* It's a lowsec operation. People are still a bit worried about these since Kirjava's attempt (Read: Lothian Quay)
* The market has been a little shaken up by the Ionia disapearance. Ionia was considered one of the more trustworthy people around here, and if he doesn't return the people are out of pocket approximately 450 billion isk.
* The FIN/FIN-U dramas. Showing people how IPO/Bond runners can run into complications and even fixed return options can be subject to change defeating the purpose of a true fixed-return bond.
* People don't know you. When starting any sort of public operation the public will chew it up if they have no prior knowledge of you. I believe a lot of people stay away from these. They want to invest in people who have shown their form by participating in discussion, investing in others etc. They want to know you are one of them, not just someone looking for quick money.
* You came into the business with no experience. Obviously everyone has to start somewhere but a 26b operation in an area you have never before worked is very dangerous. Even C-R-A started at 5b and took about 6 months to get to the 17b or so it's at now.
I don't believe your operation was a scam. At one point EBANK did have 1.4 or so billion isk unsecured with you without a single problem. I believe it was a legitimate operation however I too was concerned by such a large amount of isk to tie up in 1-2 towers.
I wish you the best of luck with this and hope you either come back and try again, or downsize a bit and try and find some starting ground to get your feet wet. You have seen in the other threads that public enterprises are by no means easy. You need to make sure this is what you want to do, and especially that you have considerable personal income to allow you to buy back the operation some time in the future so you aren't stuck running it forever (or until you burn out or leave eve)
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.24 04:50:00 -
[71]
500 Million isk returned and Share forward back to you. Thanks Mill1ken.
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Mill1ken
Ramvent Radiation Tactical
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Posted - 2008.03.24 06:48:00 -
[72]
Ric, I spent the Night going though things w/ Bunnz. He/She was quite insitefull. I have modified the Bond and gave it a 10B price tag, which I like a lot better. The issues w/ my Ebank assets ect is currently being address and will be resolved on my own w/ out public funds. Although the margins for public trust are low, I feel the new offer will be better off.
Thanks Mill1ken
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