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Cottage Pie Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:54:00 - [31] have to agree, they are pretty much an iwin button as unless the other ship is eccm'd up you are gonna get a hell of a lot of jams in, for no energy cost, drastically lowering you enemies dps and their tank if they use nos, and if things arn't gonna go your way just deploy ecm drones and break their warp scramble lock and run off. the extra dps that drones give on an unbonused ship in comparison to the dominating power of ecm drones is laughable, ecm drones ALL the way.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.20 09:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 20/03/2008 03:59:19 ECM drones didn't actually recieve a nerf of any kind when the ECM modules themselves got nerfed. ...and pretty much everyone uses them these days Not really. For instance, I fly the Hurricane a lot, which gets you a 30m3 dronebay. It's typically filled with 6x Warrior II. They're awesome for killing small/fast things, relatively solid for counter-droning (particularly vs very fragile ECM drones), and contribute some DPS. Given they go 6.3km/s with just a bit of training, they assist me whenever I have to kill a tackler. I've flown it with ECMs as well, at times. They can be handy sometimes - but since you can't carry both the ECMs and the regular drones (a 50m3 dronebay with current 30m3 bandwidth would've been the love, but meh), you've got to make a choice. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.20 09:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Cottage Pie have to agree, they are pretty much an iwin button as unless the other ship is eccm'd up you are gonna get a hell of a lot of jams in, for no energy cost, drastically lowering you enemies dps and their tank if they use nos, and if things arn't gonna go your way just deploy ecm drones and break their warp scramble lock and run off. the extra dps that drones give on an unbonused ship in comparison to the dominating power of ecm drones is laughable, ecm drones ALL the way. This is rubbish. Skilled T2 drones deliver a fair bit of DPS, and work wether you're jammed/TD-ed/etc/etc (and some of them have special applications). ECMs are chance based - getting away might or might not work, as you might not get a actual jam. They can be amazing when they get the jam you so desperately need, and they can be totally worthless if they don't (while regular drones might've won you the fight). Generally, though, the more % of total damage a ship gets out of turret/missile damage, more ECM drones pay off. For a ship which gets >30% of its damage from drones, ECM drones are a bad choice; for a ship which gets 20% - probably worth it. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Asuka Smith StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.03.20 09:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Cottage Pie have to agree, they are pretty much an iwin button as unless the other ship is eccm'd up you are gonna get a hell of a lot of jams in, for no energy cost, drastically lowering you enemies dps and their tank if they use nos, and if things arn't gonna go your way just deploy ecm drones and break their warp scramble lock and run off. the extra dps that drones give on an unbonused ship in comparison to the dominating power of ecm drones is laughable, ecm drones ALL the way. So fit a smartbomb, problem solved. Use FOF missiles, problem solved. Use your own drones and have them target theirs before you lose your lock, problem solved. Not that overpowered if you can counter his whole drone-bay with a single small smartbomb.
Dianeces Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.20 11:10:00 - [35] The drones aren't broken, you are.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.03.20 11:51:00 - [36] A friend of mine wanted to test his ECM drones in his Deimos vs my Occator. The ECM drones did never ECm me a single time. All failed. Hardly overpowered... Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Fifth Horseman Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:11:00 - [37] ECM drones are very popular for ships that struggle to tank. How many times did you re-run this test? ECM has no problem whatsoever in simply not giving you a jam cycle, ever, in some engagements. It's true. Try it. --- Fanboi noun: 1)Person who thinks you should be happy that Eve just got a little bit worse. 2) Idiot. Fanboiz: Plural of Fanboi Doorknob: Collective noun for Fanboiz.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:19:00 - [38] The only 'problem' with ECM drones is that they are VERY luck dependant. Many small but low chances of jamming mean that if you are unlucky, you can easily be permajammed by just 5 meds drones. Otoh if the user of the drones is unlucky, they will fail every damn time. I have seen both cases often enough. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Ignatious Mei Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:29:00 - [39] Anyone that is saying they are getting perma jamed my 5 medium ECM drones is either EXTREMELY unlucky or they are lying. I have tested 5 medium vespa's against a variety of ships and they are NO WHERE NEAR as effective as a lot of people try to make them out. Even against cruisers with fairly low sensor strength I am lucky to get a jam in the first 1-2 mins. After that it generally take another 2 mins for another. Seeing as how much fights are over in less then 2 mins.... You get the idea. Seriously people, test ECM drones out for yourself. You will change your tune pretty quickly.
Nathan West Cataclysm Enterprises HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:37:00 - [40] stop whining, fit eccm
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:34:00 - [41] This isn't 1v1 online. In my gangs I usually have one of my guys dedicated to killing drones (sniper, missile spammer, using their own drones, smart bomber <rare>). Stop trying to kill tactical variety in this game by trying to get an ECM-drone nerf. There are so many counters to these drones as mentioned above. I use ECM drones to boost my tank, because I'm trying to tackle, and I'm a shield tanker. I usually can get about 1 cycle in a fight which reduces incoming DPS by a little bit, allwoing my compromised tank a chance to compete with a dedicated armor tanking tackle ship. ECM drones are a weapon that can be destroyed - ECM mods on a Blackbird won't be destroyed until the ship itself is destroyed. Just have a low-skilled friend in your gang in a destroyer, and tell him his task is to snipe out the enemy drones - priority list is ECM > logistics > tech 2 combat drones. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
MrTripps Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:46:00 - [42] Does, say, a Domi's drone bonus increase the strength of an ECM drone? "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson.
N1fty Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Nathan West stop whining, fit eccm Overheated ECCM are very effective. I fit them on a lot of ships these days. Amarr ships suck for web+scram tackling anyway, thats what Minmatar slave gangmates are for Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I usually close my eyes and just beg, out loud added with a lot of squealing. I swear it helps.
Veng3ance Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:54:00 - [44] Edited by: Veng3ance on 20/03/2008 13:54:27 Since when is EVE all about 1vs1. ECM drones are perfectly fine for small gang warfare. So please stop whining about them. Not to mention. Perma-jammed off medium ECM drones? Yeah right
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.20 13:55:00 - [45] Unless my drone ships get a bonus to ECM Drone effectiveness, leave them alone. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.2
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2008.03.20 14:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Cloora While dueling my friends Deimos in my Zealot... his ECM drones kept me nearly permajammed.. Since the Zealot haven't got drone bay, you are basically disabled when you get jammed. This is one of the ships flaws, and something a Zealot pilot will have sort out, either by a fit or help from gang. Complaining about others fit - use of ECM in this case - will never get you a win, as long as you have possibilities to counter it. I know a lot of Zealot pilots who fit a small Smartbomb in the highs to counter drones. Now the Zealot has gotten one more turret mount it's a more difficult choice, if you should drop one laser for a smartbomb. Else you have ECCM as mentioned in this thread, it's a pretty strong counter to any form of jamming. Just remember that jamming is chance based, and sometime you'll get lucky and sometimes you'll get unlucky, that naturally goes for the pilot who fields ECM too. At the end of the day, I hope you realize that some ships require more planning to use than others. The Zealot is one of the ships that takes some skill to create a strong battle-hard fit. Pay attention to your flaws and try and counter it, after a while you have a few fits that can stand through a battle. Enjoy, and fly safe..

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