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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:39:00 -
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While dueling my friends Deimos in my Zealot... his ECM drones kept me nearly permajammed.
Did some research and it seems unlike gallente ships that can fly around with what is basically a fully bonused multispec in their dronebays. 5 mediums have about the multispec strength of 10. That's racial bonused ECM strength.
With my semi-decent skills I get 5.6 on a meta lvl 2 multispec on my blackbird. Caldari cruiser lvl 4 and signal dispersion lvl 3, with 2 ECM lowslot mods. People who I sometimes call "dronefans" to myself would jump to how it's allows varity and versatility to ships even though ships with large dronebays generally have free midslots anyway. They are also cheap and can be left behind to break a lock to get away if you are soloing and are about to lose.
And also they don't show a damn timer bar so you don't even know how long you have till they break cycle!
These things are just plain broken...
*flamesuit on*
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Brea Lafail
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:45:00 -
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I think it came up after the previous alliance tourney (where a flock of thorax's pwned) that they maybe needed adjusting, but remember that the ship gives up a fair bit of DPS fo 'em ECM drones.
I agree about the timer bar 100%...
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 20/03/2008 03:49:46
You're in a Zealot. It has naturally low sensor strength.
5 x Medium Vespas = 5 x 1.5 jam strength. This is not the same as 1 x 7.5. Nor is it equivalent to a Multispec strength of 10.
The Deimos is sacrificing about 150 dps to have those ECM drones.
They're hit or miss.
Also, your skills suck and a Meta level 2 ecm jammer sucks as well.
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:50:00 -
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gives up DPS? The thing is STILL DPS king of the HACs with ECM drones. As it is supposed to be. But WITH ECM drones the thing has an HUGE advantage.
Or at least give my Zealot 25m3 drone bay! 
I'm kidding! I just want ECM drones fixed.
(but a drone bay on my Zealot would be nice too!)
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Ikasu
Scrutari
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:51:00 -
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1v1, maybe, but in a fleet fight they work as they should. A pilot has to give up his main DPS to launch five ECM drones and the jammer is usually called primary anyway. I practically rely on my damage drones, if I had to give them ALL up for jamming i'd never be able to break a good tank.
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Ridley Tree
Edited by: Ridley Tree on 20/03/2008 03:49:46
You're in a Zealot. It has naturally low sensor strength.
5 x Medium Vespas = 5 x 1.5 jam strength. This is not the same as 1 x 7.5. Nor is it equivalent to a Multispec strength of 10.
The Deimos is sacrificing about 150 dps to have those ECM drones.
They're hit or miss.
Also, your skills suck and a Meta level 2 ecm jammer sucks as well.
They are more powerful then that. They jam way more then thier indicated strength.
My skills suck? Why the personal attack? I can fly a Golem and a Charon and a Hulk and also have massive science and industry skills.... WTF are you talking about?
My PvP alt flys the Zealot.
My other alt has 19 million SP and most of it is in Hybrids and Spaceship command. (flys Gallante and Caldari ships)
Personal attacks just take away from any form of intelligent argument you may try to present.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 20/03/2008 03:59:19
ECM drones didn't actually recieve a nerf of any kind when the ECM modules themselves got nerfed.
...and pretty much everyone uses them these days 
It's the fact that 5 LIGHT ecm drones has about the same effectiveness as 2 Multispecs that dosen't make sense.
In comparison 5 heavy webbing drones arn't nearly as effective as a webber, and 5 heavy neuting drones only has the effectiveness of 1 local heavy neut (without the penalties), and I'm sure there's others.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
gives up DPS? The thing is STILL DPS king of the HACs with ECM drones.
No, its not.
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But WITH ECM drones the thing has an HUGE advantage.
Against Amarr? Yes.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:18:00 -
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Zealot has a sensor strength of 13.
A Vespa EC-600 has a jam strength of 1.5.
Theoretically, each of the drones should have a bit more than 11.5% chance to jam you in each 20-second cycle.
There's a slightly lower than 54.2% chance to NOT get jammed in a 20-second cycle from any of the 5 drones.
In other words, a roughly 45.8% chance to GET jammed by at least one of the drones in any of the 20-second cycles.
A Blackbird with T2 multispecs, L4 caldari cruiser, L4 signal dispersion and just one T2 SDA should get 5.5296 jam strength.
Against the same 13-sensor-strength ship, that's roughly 42.5% jam chance per cycle.
Hey, look, almost the same as those 5 med ECM drones.
Using 2 multispecs would mean roughly 33% chance to not get jammed, or a 76% jam chance.
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Asuka Smith on 20/03/2008 04:45:04
Okay let me just start this off my saying that calling you a numpty is a personal attack, commenting that your skills suck is a statement of fact, regardless of how great the skills on your other meaningless characters that have absolutely no bearing on the jamming strength of your blackbird pilot are.
"Caldari cruiser lvl 4 and signal dispersion lvl 3, with 2 ECM lowslot mods."
Those skills suck, I am sorry but a basic cruiser with the highest applicable skill at level 4, and level 2/0 EWAR skills... No wonder your jamming is bad in comparison to a well skilled HAC pilot fielding a well-skilled well-planned setup...
"They are more powerful then that. They jam way more then thier indicated strength."
I do not think so, I am pretty sure they are just as effective as their indicated strength and you either got unlucky or have a very small tolerance for ECM so it feels worse than it is. I hope you have 10,000+ RNG results before you start claiming that your SINGLE encounter is indicative of the greater whole on whether or not these are more powerful than the listed strength.
The timer not displaying is however quite annoying so I give you that.
Now, this may or may not be a personal attack but I think based on your statements you are a numpty, so take that for what you like!
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
My skills suck?
Yes they do.
Quote:
Why the personal attack?
Its not
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I can fly a Golem and a Charon and a Hulk and also have massive science and industry skills....
I don't care.
Your ECM skills suck.
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:16:00 -
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That proves nothing for your point. Fact is they are overpowered. My ECM skills have nothing to do with ECM drones.
Akita T proves my point perfectly with valid numbers
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:21:00 -
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Out of curiousity what percentage of jam chance per drone do you think is acceptable?
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
That proves nothing for your point. Fact is they are overpowered. My ECM skills have nothing to do with ECM drones.
Akita T proves my point perfectly with valid numbers
Akita happily disproves your point.
The Deimos gives up 150 dps in order to have the equivalent of one multispectral jammer. And you think its overpowered? Not only that but you're basing it solely off the comparison against the HAC with the least sensor strength? And ignoring gang dynamics and fleet uses entirely?
You're a muppet.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
The Deimos gives up 150 dps in order to have the equivalent of one multispectral jammer.
It would only be around 150 dps assuming max skills.
Also, it would one Multispec from a dedicated ECM cruiser with ECM-boosting mods, also with max skills. Being that ECM drones can be deployed from any ship with a Drone Bay, it's not really the same.
Though IMO, the real problem is Light ECM Drones, and the fact that destroying them becomes an utmost priority in some cases, particually in prolonged fights where a single jam (highly likely) means the target escapes.
Multispec ECM on ships not designed to use them was something that plagued EVE all the way through RMR. The Drones have pretty much the same issue, but were never addressed.
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Ridley Tree
The Deimos gives up 150 dps in order to have the equivalent of one multispectral jammer.
It would only be around 150 dps assuming max skills.
Also, it would one Multispec from a dedicated ECM cruiser with ECM-boosting mods, also with max skills. Being that ECM drones can be deployed from any ship with a Drone Bay, it's not really the same.
Though IMO, the real problem is Light ECM Drones, and the fact that destroying them becomes an utmost priority in some cases, particually in prolonged fights where a single jam (highly likely) means the target escapes.
Multispec ECM on ships not designed to use them was something that plagued EVE all the way through RMR. The Drones have pretty much the same issue, but were never addressed.
Do not kid yourself a Vespa EC-600 is not something you fit your first week either.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Do not kid yourself a Vespa EC-600 is not something you fit your first week either.
eh? It's not as if the requirements are taxing in any way. With the exception of Drones 5, the skills to use those can be trained in under 24 hours.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:47:00 -
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Its probably a good thing they are made of paper then? Simple.. when you see someone drop ecm drones on you.. take them out. Tank will fair better since they dont have that extra dps. Its amazing what even a small smart bomb can do.
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Spenz
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
also with max skills.
I was not aware that having skills at lvl 4 = max skill
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
It would only be around 150 dps assuming max skills.
158 with max skills actually.
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Also, it would one Multispec from a dedicated ECM cruiser with ECM-boosting mods, also with max skills. Being that ECM drones can be deployed from any ship with a Drone Bay, it's not really the same.
With lvl 4 skills and one upgrade. The only ships in the game that can use ECM effectively now are the dedicated boats. They're the only thing to compare ECM drones with. 5 x ECM drones vs a blackbird with my skills, its not even equivalent to 1 multispec. Let alone a racial. And lets be honest here, do you really fit multispecs?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.20 06:00:00 -
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Yes, a flight of med ECM drones is *roughly* equivalent to a moderately-skilled, T2-fit specialised module on a specialized ship.
Is that overpowered ?
Well, for starters, the BB (and its variands) hardly ever fly with just ONE jammer, and two jammers would beat a flight of heavy ECM drones already.
Also, the ECM-boat doesn't risk losing any of its ECM power when used, like a drone-user does.
What happends if you have a med SB fited ? Right, almost certainly byebye drones.
Even like the above poster said, a small one will do fine too.
Are ECM drones overpowered ? Well... no idea.
Since they're not THAT hard to train for, IF they would be so "overpowered", just about anybody would be using them.
You can come to just one of two conclusions : either they are "just fine" overall... or the vast majority of people are brain-dead stupid for not using them.
Your choice 
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 06:16:00 -
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Even if everyone used them putting one small SB on your fit to completely negate the "OP" ewar drones makes me think... All this OP countered by one mod? Sounds... BALANCED!
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Garmon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.03.20 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Garmon on 20/03/2008 06:18:35
ECM drones are easy to kill
Deimos using ecm drones
CCP gave them low hp for a reason, even a small smartbomb can totally mess them up
They are only overpowerd against people not prepared and too stupid
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.20 06:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 20/03/2008 06:21:07
I didn't link to your Video because you're using light ECM drones 
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Garmon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.03.20 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
Edited by: Ridley Tree on 20/03/2008 06:21:07
I didn't link to your Video because you're using light ECM drones
But he wasn't shooting mine :p
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Karjala Inc.
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.20 06:43:00 -
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ECM drones are not that powerful. A lot of stuff about them comes when people complain not being able to lock something. Also ECM drones pop very fast.
If there's issue with them, it's the fact gallente ships are best for using them, having lots of extra drone space. Caldari (the ecm race) cannot really use ecm drones at most of their ships since they have very small or zero drone space. Another thing with ECM drones is that you can jam people with decent chance (if talking about hac vs hac etc.) and still do DPS, ECM specialized ships, in comparison, do very insignificant DPS.
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umop 3pisdn
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:06:00 -
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Ahahahaha ITT a newly buffed zealot pilot claims the deimos is overpowered.
Pure Genius.
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Grimpak
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
ECM drones are not that powerful. A lot of stuff about them comes when people complain not being able to lock something. Also ECM drones pop very fast.
If there's issue with them, it's the fact gallente ships are best for using them, having lots of extra drone space. Caldari (the ecm race) cannot really use ecm drones at most of their ships since they have very small or zero drone space. Another thing with ECM drones is that you can jam people with decent chance (if talking about hac vs hac etc.) and still do DPS, ECM specialized ships, in comparison, do very insignificant DPS.
that is true, but there are many counters to kill what is already a failable weapon.
if I'm in my deimos with my 5 med ecm drones I'm forfeiting over 150dps (depending of the damage drone used), in favour of luck.
also considering how the deimos is, when the ECM drones fail to jam the target for long enough (highly possible), the deimos is dead.
the bigger problem is that from all the Ewar drones, ECM drones are the only ones that don't have stack penalty. So it's not that the ECM drones are good, it's just that the other options simply suck, or you're just using 10-15 drones, in wich, a "perma"-jam is possible.
also I have to say, what the **** is that of making 5x1.5 = 10?
it's more like 5x1.5 = 5x 1.5 chances.
ECM values don't stack in a 1.5+1.5+1.5+1.5+1.5 way (in the case of the drones)
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Brungar
Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Also, the ECM-boat doesn't risk losing any of its ECM power when used, like a drone-user does.
*cough* They don't HAVE DPS to start with. I mean. A blackbird & DPS???
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:31:00 -
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I made a Blackbird DPS fit in EFT just now that could totally dominate a...
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Cottage Pie
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.20 07:54:00 -
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have to agree, they are pretty much an iwin button as unless the other ship is eccm'd up you are gonna get a hell of a lot of jams in, for no energy cost, drastically lowering you enemies dps and their tank if they use nos, and if things arn't gonna go your way just deploy ecm drones and break their warp scramble lock and run off.
the extra dps that drones give on an unbonused ship in comparison to the dominating power of ecm drones is laughable, ecm drones ALL the way.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.20 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 20/03/2008 03:59:19
ECM drones didn't actually recieve a nerf of any kind when the ECM modules themselves got nerfed.
...and pretty much everyone uses them these days
Not really.
For instance, I fly the Hurricane a lot, which gets you a 30m3 dronebay.
It's typically filled with 6x Warrior II. They're awesome for killing small/fast things, relatively solid for counter-droning (particularly vs very fragile ECM drones), and contribute *some* DPS. Given they go 6.3km/s with just a bit of training, they assist me whenever I have to kill a tackler.
I've flown it with ECMs as well, at times.
They can be handy *sometimes* - but since you can't carry both the ECMs and the regular drones (a 50m3 dronebay with current 30m3 bandwidth would've been the love, but meh), you've got to make a choice.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.20 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cottage Pie
have to agree, they are pretty much an iwin button as unless the other ship is eccm'd up you are gonna get a hell of a lot of jams in, for no energy cost, drastically lowering you enemies dps and their tank if they use nos, and if things arn't gonna go your way just deploy ecm drones and break their warp scramble lock and run off.
the extra dps that drones give on an unbonused ship in comparison to the dominating power of ecm drones is laughable, ecm drones ALL the way.
This is rubbish. Skilled T2 drones deliver a fair bit of DPS, and work wether you're jammed/TD-ed/etc/etc (and some of them have special applications). ECMs are chance based - getting away might or might not work, as you might not get a actual jam.
They can be amazing when they get the jam you so desperately need, and they can be totally worthless if they don't (while regular drones might've won you the fight).
Generally, though, the more % of total damage a ship gets out of turret/missile damage, more ECM drones pay off. For a ship which gets >30% of its damage from drones, ECM drones are a bad choice; for a ship which gets 20% - probably worth it.
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.20 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cottage Pie
have to agree, they are pretty much an iwin button as unless the other ship is eccm'd up you are gonna get a hell of a lot of jams in, for no energy cost, drastically lowering you enemies dps and their tank if they use nos, and if things arn't gonna go your way just deploy ecm drones and break their warp scramble lock and run off.
the extra dps that drones give on an unbonused ship in comparison to the dominating power of ecm drones is laughable, ecm drones ALL the way.
So fit a smartbomb, problem solved. Use FOF missiles, problem solved. Use your own drones and have them target theirs before you lose your lock, problem solved. Not that overpowered if you can counter his whole drone-bay with a single small smartbomb.
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Dianeces
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 11:10:00 -
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The drones aren't broken, you are.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.20 11:51:00 -
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A friend of mine wanted to test his ECM drones in his Deimos vs my Occator. The ECM drones did never ECm me a single time. All failed.
Hardly overpowered...
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Fifth Horseman
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:11:00 -
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ECM drones are very popular for ships that struggle to tank.
How many times did you re-run this test?
ECM has no problem whatsoever in simply not giving you a jam cycle, ever, in some engagements. It's true. Try it.
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The Blackguard Wolves
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:19:00 -
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The only 'problem' with ECM drones is that they are VERY luck dependant. Many small but low chances of jamming mean that if you are unlucky, you can easily be permajammed by just 5 meds drones. Otoh if the user of the drones is unlucky, they will fail every damn time. I have seen both cases often enough.
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Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:29:00 -
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Anyone that is saying they are getting perma jamed my 5 medium ECM drones is either EXTREMELY unlucky or they are lying. I have tested 5 medium vespa's against a variety of ships and they are NO WHERE NEAR as effective as a lot of people try to make them out. Even against cruisers with fairly low sensor strength I am lucky to get a jam in the first 1-2 mins. After that it generally take another 2 mins for another. Seeing as how much fights are over in less then 2 mins.... You get the idea. Seriously people, test ECM drones out for yourself. You will change your tune pretty quickly.
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Nathan West
Cataclysm Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.20 12:37:00 -
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stop whining, fit eccm |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:34:00 -
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This isn't 1v1 online.
In my gangs I usually have one of my guys dedicated to killing drones (sniper, missile spammer, using their own drones, smart bomber <rare>).
Stop trying to kill tactical variety in this game by trying to get an ECM-drone nerf. There are so many counters to these drones as mentioned above.
I use ECM drones to boost my tank, because I'm trying to tackle, and I'm a shield tanker. I usually can get about 1 cycle in a fight which reduces incoming DPS by a little bit, allwoing my compromised tank a chance to compete with a dedicated armor tanking tackle ship.
ECM drones are a weapon that can be destroyed - ECM mods on a Blackbird won't be destroyed until the ship itself is destroyed.
Just have a low-skilled friend in your gang in a destroyer, and tell him his task is to snipe out the enemy drones - priority list is ECM > logistics > tech 2 combat drones.
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MrTripps
Blueprint Haus
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:46:00 -
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Does, say, a Domi's drone bonus increase the strength of an ECM drone?
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N1fty
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan West
stop whining, fit eccm
Overheated ECCM are very effective. I fit them on a lot of ships these days.
Amarr ships suck for web+scram tackling anyway, thats what Minmatar slave gangmates are for
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
I usually close my eyes and just beg, out loud added with a lot of squealing.
I swear it helps.
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Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Veng3ance on 20/03/2008 13:54:27
Since when is EVE all about 1vs1. ECM drones are perfectly fine for small gang warfare. So please stop whining about them.
Not to mention. Perma-jammed off medium ECM drones? Yeah right 
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.20 13:55:00 -
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Unless my drone ships get a bonus to ECM Drone effectiveness, leave them alone.
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Forando
Interstellar Cowards
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Posted - 2008.03.20 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
While dueling my friends Deimos in my Zealot... his ECM drones kept me nearly permajammed..
Since the Zealot haven't got drone bay, you are basically disabled when you get jammed. This is one of the ships flaws, and something a Zealot pilot will have sort out, either by a fit or help from gang. Complaining about others fit - use of ECM in this case - will never get you a win, as long as you have possibilities to counter it.
I know a lot of Zealot pilots who fit a small Smartbomb in the highs to counter drones. Now the Zealot has gotten one more turret mount it's a more difficult choice, if you should drop one laser for a smartbomb. Else you have ECCM as mentioned in this thread, it's a pretty strong counter to any form of jamming. Just remember that jamming is chance based, and sometime you'll get lucky and sometimes you'll get unlucky, that naturally goes for the pilot who fields ECM too.
At the end of the day, I hope you realize that some ships require more planning to use than others. The Zealot is one of the ships that takes some skill to create a strong battle-hard fit. Pay attention to your flaws and try and counter it, after a while you have a few fits that can stand through a battle.
Enjoy, and fly safe..
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