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Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Valgren Edited by: Valgren on 23/03/2008 22:01:49 Ok, from someone who was a director of one of the ka-tet founding corps, I can tell you why a lot of people (myself included) left... We formed ka-tet with the idea that it would be a small number of large corps. Everything would be equal among the member corps as far as the running of the alliance. Everything went well at first, but then we started losing our pvp base because we had nap'd everyone and their brother and we had to go 30 jumps to find a fight. The idea that it has anything to do with money is rediculous...there are tons of good moons out there, and although the drones don't have bounties, they have other things that smart people can take advantage of and make a lot of money. Look at the billions of isk in ship losses on the ka-tet KB, and the way they continue to throw ships away. Production capabilities out there are unmatched. But I digress. Back to the topic at hand...once the pvp'ers started leaving, it caused a large shift in power within both Rampage Eternal and Untaught. They basically split into seperate groups, with a large number of senior members leaving because of lack of pvp. We had similar problems in AWM, but not nearly on the level as RAM and T.DK. The higher ups leaving were replaced by people who were not holding true to the ideals that we had when forming ka-tet...it eventually downgraded to where it is now, which is basically a smaller ASCN. Lots of isk and production capability, but mostly carebear and a weird conglomerate of crappy little corps...and I forsee them going down like ASCN. Come to think of it...most of this downward slide started happening when a number of ASCN refugee corps showed up on our doorstep and we took them in as renter/residents....hmmm... But, as far as corps/people leaving now, it's like with any other KOS-esque alliance...corps are going to come and go on a pretty steady basis, mainly people thinking it's going to be grand and finding out that they would be better off running lvl3 missions for Nurtura than being in ka-tet, and leave. Ka-tet was never supposed to have more than 4 member corps according to our original charter. We should have just kept our blue to RA and set everyone else neutral...I can only dream of what things would be like now if we had held true to that. Valgren Former Director of Armed War Monkeys(AWM), co-founding corp of Ka-tet AWM left Ka-Tet a couple of weeks back. Ka-Tet have been at war with first FREGE, then DMC, then Atlas + Chaos for many months now, for much neighbour-shootage. I'm not all that convinced that a lack of PvP opportunities is the source of all of Ka-Tet's recent woes. Unless you're saying that the damage was done a long long long way back, and that Ka-Tet has been a non-functional shell for all that time. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Ademius Knortak coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:42:00 - [32] Edited by: Ademius Knortak on 23/03/2008 23:45:45 Edited by: Ademius Knortak on 23/03/2008 23:42:23 Originally by: Patch86 Unless you're saying that the damage was done a long long long way back, and that Ka-Tet has been a non-functional shell for all that time. the damage was done a long way back yea... a lot of the old pvpers left more then 6 month ago and those that remained left with their corps now. More or less started with the napping of DMC and the rest of the mad pact
Valgren IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.24 00:11:00 - [33] I know I was a bit long-winded Patch, but you should read my entire post before responding. Unless you just fail at reading comprehension. Val
ISpam OHHAYGUYS	Posted - 2008.03.24 01:23:00 - [34] ty val no wonder my mains old corp left em then
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.24 17:24:00 - [35] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 24/03/2008 17:27:38 Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 24/03/2008 17:26:49 Originally by: Patch86 Unless you're saying that the damage was done a long long long way back, and that Ka-Tet has been a non-functional shell for all that time. The damage began with ds1 joining and our terribly run campaign in feyth, helping out the rsf very early in the war, perhaps nearly 2 years ago. That was what broke up MASS/RAM and Untaught/TDK. While alot of pvpers left at that point, there was still a very large, capable contingent who stayed true to the ideals of ka-tet. This memberbase slowly eroded from lack of pvp apart from brief stints that occurred such as fighting Mpire in Branch, Frege etc, but these were not enough to hold a core pvp base. By this stage other corps had joined which had diluted the pvp/carebear percentages to the point where perhaps only 20-30% of the playerbase were actively participating in pvp. By the time the DMC war happened ka-tet was well and truely slide into carebear hell. The balance of power in the COS had shifted to a more industrial focus as well, and before long it got to the point where a general reset was out of the question. It was only a matter of time before the final diehards exhausted themselves defending self interested *****s. Originally by:** "Val" I can only dream of what things would be like now if we had held true to that. A-*****-men EDIT: After rereading I should point out that simply pointing the finger at the non-founding corps as the problem would be somewhat inaccurate. Internally the three founding corps also suffered heavy setbacks and participation issues. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon Ghost**You do, but this is compensated for by lag
Mr Funkadelic Tenacious Danes Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.24 18:46:00 - [36] ka-tet and pvp died like 10 months ago, everyone just stoped pvping, and pvpers startet to leave. Nothing more to it really.
Cruel SOAB Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Valgren I know I was a bit long-winded Patch, but you should read my entire post before responding. Unless you just fail at reading comprehension. Val Why don't you just counter Patch's theories instead of questioning his reading comprehension skills? Seems to me he made a very decent analysis of the situation.
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.03.24 19:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Valgren Edited by: Valgren on 23/03/2008 22:01:49 Ok, from someone who was a director of one of the ka-tet founding corps, I can tell you why a lot of people (myself included) left... We formed ka-tet with the idea that it would be a small number of large corps. Everything would be equal among the member corps as far as the running of the alliance. Everything went well at first, but then we started losing our pvp base because we had nap'd everyone and their brother and we had to go 30 jumps to find a fight. The idea that it has anything to do with money is rediculous...there are tons of good moons out there, and although the drones don't have bounties, they have other things that smart people can take advantage of and make a lot of money. Look at the billions of isk in ship losses on the ka-tet KB, and the way they continue to throw ships away. Production capabilities out there are unmatched. But I digress. Back to the topic at hand...once the pvp'ers started leaving, it caused a large shift in power within both Rampage Eternal and Untaught. They basically split into seperate groups, with a large number of senior members leaving because of lack of pvp. We had similar problems in AWM, but not nearly on the level as RAM and T.DK. The higher ups leaving were replaced by people who were not holding true to the ideals that we had when forming ka-tet...it eventually downgraded to where it is now, which is basically a smaller ASCN. Lots of isk and production capability, but mostly carebear and a weird conglomerate of crappy little corps...and I forsee them going down like ASCN. Come to think of it...most of this downward slide started happening when a number of ASCN refugee corps showed up on our doorstep and we took them in as renter/residents....hmmm... But, as far as corps/people leaving now, it's like with any other KOS-esque alliance...corps are going to come and go on a pretty steady basis, mainly people thinking it's going to be grand and finding out that they would be better off running lvl3 missions for Nurtura than being in ka-tet, and leave. Ka-tet was never supposed to have more than 4 member corps according to our original charter. We should have just kept our blue to RA and set everyone else neutral...I can only dream of what things would be like now if we had held true to that. Valgren Former Director of Armed War Monkeys(AWM), co-founding corp of Ka-tet This man speaks truth. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:27:00 - [39] so basically, Ka-tet caught the FREGE virus (the very same one they had given to KOS) and died, and the members turned into fly eggs leaving the rotting carc... goddammmit, your **ty analogy totally **** up my attempt to blow up this thread. anyways, best analogy i can think of is the oregon highway department's 1979 attempt to blow up a rotting whale carcass that had beached. chunks of stinking whale blubber rain on all the idiots that come by to watch anyways, if you would just PWYM, these things wouldn't happen
Tanx0r Stinger Squad	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:52:00 - [40] There was no unity within the executor corp (rampage) from the start. Oh those endless lol convos on teamspeak... Drop a bunch of serious industrials with a group of heavyweight pvp veterans in the drone regions for a couple of weeks under one flag and you get uber fragtastic levels of total boredom on one side (and no they won't jump into bloody haulers and 'help'). At first there was some LV to hunt down but that was soon history as well. I learned a lot while there though. About the human side of things that is. Shame to see it all falling apart. I was one of the first to leave Linkage to nberleet alliance info and sovereignty maps0rs!!!
Scrapple Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 00:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Chomapuraku so basically, Ka-tet caught the FREGE virus (the very same one they had given to KOS) and died, and the members turned into fly eggs leaving the rotting carc... goddammmit, your **ty analogy totally **** up my attempt to blow up this thread. anyways, best analogy i can think of is the oregon highway department's 1979 attempt to blow up a rotting whale carcass that had beached. chunks of stinking whale blubber rain on all the idiots that come by to watch anyways, if you would just PWYM, these things wouldn't happen Rednecks with Dynimate and large carcasses.
Kylegar Dawn of Fire Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.25 00:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Scrapple Originally by: Chomapuraku so basically, Ka-tet caught the FREGE virus (the very same one they had given to KOS) and died, and the members turned into fly eggs leaving the rotting carc... goddammmit, your **ty analogy totally ** up my attempt to blow up this thread. anyways, best analogy i can think of is the oregon highway department's 1979 attempt to blow up a rotting whale carcass that had beached. chunks of stinking whale blubber rain on all the idiots that come by to watch anyways, if you would just PWYM, these things wouldn't happen Rednecks with Dynimate and large carcasses. Hey, We dont have rednecks here in Oregon, we just have idiots...Lots and lots of idiots. -- Originally by:** CCP Ginger No sex changes.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:43:00 - [43] ibtl Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Oofig VanDoogan Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Kylegar Hey, We dont have rednecks here in Oregon, we just have idiots...Lots and lots of idiots. Hippies too! ---------------------------------------------- Full circle.
Big Fuzz ACCORD Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:47:00 - [45] Edited by: Big Fuzz on 25/03/2008 05:48:33 Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Originally by: Kylegar Hey, We dont have rednecks here in Oregon, we just have idiots...Lots and lots of idiots. Hippies too! And Rambo. edit: linkified :)
Kylegar Dawn of Fire Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.25 07:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Originally by: Kylegar Hey, We dont have rednecks here in Oregon, we just have idiots...Lots and lots of idiots. Hippies too! That falls under group "Idiots" -- Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
Oofig VanDoogan	Posted - 2008.03.25 07:43:00 - [47] :puts away his birkenstocks and his pipe and cries: ---------------------------------------------- Full circle. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Andyspike Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 09:58:00 - [48] So what about Carpe alliance? It seems to me all that Ka-Tet have done is start another alliance to distance themselves from RA. Or is it an inside take over bid of Oasa? These are just my views and don't represent the thoughts of my corp/alliance.
Reacz Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 10:20:00 - [49] If it looks like DMC and smells like DMC, it probably is DMC. :P
Mag's MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Gort Originally by: Valgren Good post.......... Valgren Former Director of Armed War Monkeys(AWM), co-founding corp of Ka-tet This man speaks truth. Aye for sure. Lo guys Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
Asuka Smith StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:06:00 - [51] Wow such a bad OP and it still manages to turn into some serious alliance drama post... Strong work!
Valgren IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:15:00 - [52] Yeah, well, I don't do this whole forums thing too often, so excuse my inability to copy/paste...especially since everyone has edited their previous posts....but yes, it was that guy's failure at reading comprehension...I laid out the problem quite clearly and specifically, and have had several former members back up my assessment on various levels. Read my original post on this topic, from beginning to end, slowly. Very slowly until you comprehend it. Val
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Valgren Yeah, well, I don't do this whole forums thing too often, so excuse my inability to copy/paste...especially since everyone has edited their previous posts....but yes, it was that guy's failure at reading comprehension...I laid out the problem quite clearly and specifically, and have had several former members back up my assessment on various levels. Read my original post on this topic, from beginning to end, slowly. Very slowly until you comprehend it. Val The first day I was in ka-tet Val escorted me 15 jumps in my itty witty frigate a couple of jumps out of the destination system and proceeded to pod me back to empire. It kinda went downhill from there. Ill never forget you bas.tard. o/ Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
awebon A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Gort Originally by: Valgren Edited by: Valgren on 23/03/2008 22:01:49 Ok, from someone who was a director of one of the ka-tet founding corps, I can tell you why a lot of people (myself included) left... We formed ka-tet with the idea that it would be a small number of large corps. Everything would be equal among the member corps as far as the running of the alliance. Everything went well at first, but then we started losing our pvp base because we had nap'd everyone and their brother and we had to go 30 jumps to find a fight. The idea that it has anything to do with money is rediculous...there are tons of good moons out there, and although the drones don't have bounties, they have other things that smart people can take advantage of and make a lot of money. Look at the billions of isk in ship losses on the ka-tet KB, and the way they continue to throw ships away. Production capabilities out there are unmatched. But I digress. Back to the topic at hand...once the pvp'ers started leaving, it caused a large shift in power within both Rampage Eternal and Untaught. They basically split into seperate groups, with a large number of senior members leaving because of lack of pvp. We had similar problems in AWM, but not nearly on the level as RAM and T.DK. The higher ups leaving were replaced by people who were not holding true to the ideals that we had when forming ka-tet...it eventually downgraded to where it is now, which is basically a smaller ASCN. Lots of isk and production capability, but mostly carebear and a weird conglomerate of crappy little corps...and I forsee them going down like ASCN. Come to think of it...most of this downward slide started happening when a number of ASCN refugee corps showed up on our doorstep and we took them in as renter/residents....hmmm... But, as far as corps/people leaving now, it's like with any other KOS-esque alliance...corps are going to come and go on a pretty steady basis, mainly people thinking it's going to be grand and finding out that they would be better off running lvl3 missions for Nurtura than being in ka-tet, and leave. Ka-tet was never supposed to have more than 4 member corps according to our original charter. We should have just kept our blue to RA and set everyone else neutral...I can only dream of what things would be like now if we had held true to that. Valgren Former Director of Armed War Monkeys(AWM), co-founding corp of Ka-tet This man speaks truth. this is the most truth in this thread. it was unfortunate that ka-tet had to die but in a game like this its natural selection and ka-tet's time had come. Alliances come and go but friends made in said alliances remain friends, i hope this is the case in some circumstances. RIP ka-tet, was a nice dream while it lasted
Cazius Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Reacz If it looks like DMC and smells like DMC, it probably is DMC. :P /me smells a bit of DMC on Reacz ------------------------------------------- harharharharharharharharharharharharhar I'm no pirate bit ches, I'm Rick James.
Cruel Fox Divine Power	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Reacz If it looks like DMC and smells like DMC, it probably is DMC. :P And what would DMC had to do with new part of Ka TET? If u once was part of DMC that really does not mean u knew or know all about dead DMC. Enjoy in Insurgency and dont try to be smarty Nice to see how RA got again isk out of faill of 2 alliances wich should have been their coworkers/allays/friends or whatever u wana call it. Long live KA TET - i hope u enjoed "victory" in Oasa - 2 bad to see it empty all the time. _________________________________________
Reacz Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:48:00 - [57] Edited by: Reacz on 25/03/2008 13:55:53 No deal. I like being smarty. :( At least one ex-DMC corp was accepted into KA-TET after your 'break-up', whats it they say? "To many bears spoil the Veld" ? :P /me rubs Cazius :P
Jarvin Kell Kingdom of Kador Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.03.25 13:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Cruel Fox Originally by: Reacz If it looks like DMC and smells like DMC, it probably is DMC. :P And what would DMC had to do with new part of Ka TET? If u once was part of DMC that really does not mean u knew or know all about dead DMC. Enjoy in Insurgency and dont try to be smarty Nice to see how RA got again isk out of faill of 2 alliances wich should have been their coworkers/allays/friends or whatever u wana call it. Long live KA TET - i hope u enjoed "victory" in Oasa - 2 bad to see it empty all the time. Hey Cruel, Just curious if there is any word from Unrah about repayment to his investors? I am told he isn't responding to evemails and isn't accepting private convos. I noticed that Feigling's corp joined Ka-Tet and is now in Carpe Universitas.
Seragon VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Cruel Fox Long live KA TET - i hope u enjoed "victory" in Oasa - 2 bad to see it empty all the time. You and I seem to have very different definitions of empty
onetowto Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:18:00 - [60] guys relax is only a game

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