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Karais valiant shadows	Posted - 2008.03.22 06:16:00 - [1] Edited by: Karais on 22/03/2008 06:19:58 when looking for a new ship i was planning on buying an Ishtar as that i do mainly drone dps, but looking at the prices, a Domi will only cost me about 50 mil, the Isthar is about 90 mil. they can both do lvl 4 missions with the right fitting and i would like to know which would do more damage with drones, and if it is worth the money to but into the Ishtar?
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.03.22 06:29:00 - [2] Domi ftw! Dominixes are big and slow but they make up for it with their exemplary DPS. Realize that they can carry more guns and have a finer tank. Even though they are larger and their sig radius is bigger as well, they are the superior ship for mission running.
Karais valiant shadows	Posted - 2008.03.22 06:32:00 - [3] my question still stands, which does more dps with drones?
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.03.22 06:35:00 - [4] Same drone DPS.
Karais valiant shadows	Posted - 2008.03.22 06:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Karais on 22/03/2008 06:46:05 ok then question then while does any one get a heavy assault ship anyway if they can get a battleship for about half the price?
DroneBay Diva Hogosha Ronin	Posted - 2008.03.22 06:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Karais Edited by: Karais on 22/03/2008 06:46:05 ok then question then while does any one get a heavy assault ship anyway if they can get a battleship for about half the price? It's called "Pee Vee Pee" You should try it sometime, I highly recommend it. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to
Karais	Posted - 2008.03.22 07:15:00 - [7] it's seems like i'm missing something a battleship still out dps's a heavy assaults ship like the Ishtar. the battleship whould have more slots for armor and electronic warfare. how is that Ishtar better at pvp? the only thing that i can think of as a in gang with the only role of having drones. even then a battleship would do more damage?
Dynast	Posted - 2008.03.22 07:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Karais it's seems like i'm missing something a battleship still out dps's a heavy assaults ship like the Ishtar. the battleship whould have more slots for armor and electronic warfare. how is that Ishtar better at pvp? the only thing that i can think of as a in gang with the only role of having drones. even then a battleship would do more damage? Maneuverability counts for a lot in small to medium scale PvP, and while HACs are pretty nimble, Battleships are about as maneuverable as a dumptruck. HACs align and warp faster, enter target range faster, get out of dodge faster, have smaller signature radiuses and higher resists so they can task reasonably well. HACs can also be nano fitted for high speed, which if you do it right makes you pretty much invulnerable to most hostiles and able to pick and choose your fights. There's also a 'bling' factor for those with sufficiently deep wallets that the losses don't matter much.
Poba	Posted - 2008.03.22 09:34:00 - [9] no i think hes right, why have a ishtar when u can have a domi, if you would like to test it im more than happy to meet u in a low sec system to test fight my ishtar so you can see the difference. the more u know in eve the better o/ siig, long time no see, how u been buddy ? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. ~Welcome to the internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents~
Death Merchant	Posted - 2008.03.22 09:48:00 - [10] Unless speed is a concern(mostly pvp situations), the Domi is a better choice for both price and performance. Domi works well in almost all short range pvp engangements, fairly useless outside a support role for fleet combat and pwns in mission running. I own like 5 ishtars with multiple configurations because I mostly pvp. Dual tanked, nano, dampening, mix of both I like the options available with the 5/5/5 setup. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Teebee Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.23 02:52:00 - [11] Edited by: Teebee on 23/03/2008 02:53:04 Most Domies fit blasters with the drones if you get a nano ishtar or even a armor tanked one just stay out of blaster range and kill the domies drones.Depending on how good the Domi pilot is will determine the outcome of the fight :).
Kehmor PAK Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.23 03:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Teebee Edited by: Teebee on 23/03/2008 02:53:04 Most Domies fit blasters with the drones if you get a nano ishtar or even a armor tanked one just stay out of blaster range and kill the domies drones.Depending on how good the Domi pilot is will determine the outcome of the fight :). if both pilots are good it will be a stalemate 1v1. Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Enduros The Fallen Gingerbread Men Evolution Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.23 04:02:00 - [13] Ishtar will not kill a domi (smartboms, proper BS tank) and a domi will not kill an Ishtar (too fast and nimble) - If you find the post above offensive feel free to feel offended.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.23 04:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Teebee Edited by: Teebee on 23/03/2008 02:53:04 Most Domies fit blasters with the drones if you get a nano ishtar or even a armor tanked one just stay out of blaster range and kill the domies drones.Depending on how good the Domi pilot is will determine the outcome of the fight :). Most Dominixes I've faced had multiple Heavy Neuts, which are quite bad when applied vs a HAC. Originally by: DroneBay Diva Originally by: Karais Edited by: Karais on 22/03/2008 06:46:05 ok then question then while does any one get a heavy assault ship anyway if they can get a battleship for about half the price? It's called "Pee Vee Pee" You should try it sometime, I highly recommend it. You are not seriously suggesting the Dominix is in any way bad at PvP? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Barbens Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.23 08:27:00 - [15] Havnt done it lately, but i used to be able to run any lvl4 with an Ishtar. Rack of sentrys, mediums, smalls and heavies and your good to go. The Sentry's can usually 2-3 volley any cruiser and single volley frigs at 50+. Also, the Ishtar can run perma dual-rep setup without ever running out. Or 1 rep and 10mn running constantly. BaRbEnS
ACEv1 Deus Ex Machina.	Posted - 2008.03.23 10:07:00 - [16] I don't know a great deal about fleet battles but I do know that I can run all level 4 missions in a domi most of them afk. You should also note that the in the ishtar v. domi one on one battle nimbleness and speed really won't come into play since large neutralizers have a slightly longer range than warp disruptors. This means for the ishtar to hold the domi (and vice versa) it will have to come into nos/neut range this will probably bring any tank; shield, armor, or speed to a grinding halt. After that it would be a simple matter for the domi's drones to kill the ishtar. Or the Ishtar could up to stay out of scrambler range in which case the domi could just get bored and leave
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.23 10:09:00 - [17] The domi is superior just like how every bs/bc is superior to practically every single hac(except eagle, which has a niche role). The only redeeming feature of hacs is that you can nano them.
Aneroi VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2008.03.23 10:31:00 - [18] The reason to use a Ishtar in lvl4 mission running is that it can get a passive shield tank that rivals the Drake's and the DPS of a Dominix
Eneela M University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.23 11:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Aneroi The reason to use a Ishtar in lvl4 mission running is that it can get a passive shield tank that rivals the Drake's and the DPS of a Dominix people seem to forget the domi has 6 turret slots with bonus. Ishtar DPS comes nowhere near a properly fitted domi. The answer is easy: Dom is the obvious choice for pve, for pvp either work depending on style.
Alyth Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Eneela M Originally by: Aneroi The reason to use a Ishtar in lvl4 mission running is that it can get a passive shield tank that rivals the Drake's and the DPS of a Dominix people seem to forget the domi has 6 turret slots with bonus. Ishtar DPS comes nowhere near a properly fitted domi. The answer is easy: Dom is the obvious choice for pve, for pvp either work depending on style. With the guns that you can actually fit in those highs, the difference is negligible really. An Ishtar has a better tank than a Domi due to it's all smaller size and higher speed. Also, unless you have BS 5, the Ishtar outperforms the Domi from the get go with it's drone and hybrid turret damage bonus already maxed. The only difference to me, to be honest, is that you get more back in insurance on the Domi and given the benefits of the Ishtar for missions, that doesn't really sell it to me. ------------------------------------------- Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:12:00 - [21] Domi for nice armor tank, ishtar for nano tank, both can do the same drone damage. No point really flying a non nano ishtar, its tank is just too weak considering the cost and lack of insurance payout when lost.
Ivan Kinsikor International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.23 17:29:00 - [22] Plenty of reasons to fly a none nano ishtar if you fit it right. Just gotta get creative. I tried my ishtar fit on my domi, and it just doesn't work as well :( Killing is business and business is good.
Sett Runesabre Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.23 18:54:00 - [23] Both are good ships, depending on your deployment. A domi is your choice for siege-type battles, where mobility doesn't earn you any brownie points. It's highs can be loaded down with gun, remote reps, or neutralizers/nos and when you're up close and personal, engaging static targets, the domi is your man. Ishtar, on the other hand, can bring the exact same amount of drone damage to the party as a domi, plus, it gets a control range bonus that the domi doesn't get, so it has a slight edge when you're talking things like sentry drones. Where the domi and ishtar begin to part ways is mobility. A domi simply won't work in a fast moving, hit and run, gang. Once you commit with a domi, it's win or pop because a retreat might not be in the cards. Whereas an ishtar, being smaller and faster, may have the option to retreat if a fight goes bad. So in PvP, base your choice on what you plan to do. Undocking to run the campers off your favorite station? go domi. Moving fast through multiple systems where hit and run is tops? Go ishtar. Ishtar also makes a nice nano-ship for maximum mobility. As far as PvE goes, I personally prefer the ishtar. I find that the smaller signiture radius combined with the naturally higher resists make for superior performance. Of course you can't fit the guns on an ishtar that you can a domi, so in a mission where both can survive equally well, the domi might have an edge. The choice is yours, really. They're both fine ships that are equal performers, depending on circumstances. As far as the initial price difference goes, a naked ishtar might have a steeper price than a naked domi, but a domi has bigger and more slots to fill, so at the end of the day, assuming you don't use dollar store mods on your domi, I'd say the difference in price will shrink significantly, so I wouldn't let that factor into your decision making process too heavily.
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Alyth Originally by: Eneela M Originally by: Aneroi The reason to use a Ishtar in lvl4 mission running is that it can get a passive shield tank that rivals the Drake's and the DPS of a Dominix people seem to forget the domi has 6 turret slots with bonus. Ishtar DPS comes nowhere near a properly fitted domi. The answer is easy: Dom is the obvious choice for pve, for pvp either work depending on style. With the guns that you can actually fit in those highs, the difference is negligible really. An Ishtar has a better tank than a Domi due to it's all smaller size and higher speed. Also, unless you have BS 5, the Ishtar outperforms the Domi from the get go with it's drone and hybrid turret damage bonus already maxed. The only difference to me, to be honest, is that you get more back in insurance on the Domi and given the benefits of the Ishtar for missions, that doesn't really sell it to me. Erm what? Ishtar has a better tank? Is that before or after you get slapped with a heavy neut and then the bs that did it mwds into web range, webs you to 10m/s, and proceed to melt your tiny buffer tank in 20 seconds? IMO the only viable way to fly the ishtar is nano, other wise a domi is simply better. This is true of most hacs in the game.
Alyth Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.24 09:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Alyth With the guns that you can actually fit in those highs, the difference is negligible really. An Ishtar has a better tank than a Domi due to it's all smaller size and higher speed. Also, unless you have BS 5, the Ishtar outperforms the Domi from the get go with it's drone and hybrid turret damage bonus already maxed. The only difference to me, to be honest, is that you get more back in insurance on the Domi and given the benefits of the Ishtar for missions, that doesn't really sell it to me. Erm what? Ishtar has a better tank? Is that before or after you get slapped with a heavy neut and then the bs that did it mwds into web range, webs you to 10m/s, and proceed to melt your tiny buffer tank in 20 seconds? IMO the only viable way to fly the ishtar is nano, other wise a domi is simply better. This is true of most hacs in the game. Reading comprehension 5 is a must ------------------------------------------- Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Vachyr Pax.	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:27:00 - [26] could anyone explain to me what a nano tank is for the isthar?
Maverick 52 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:47:00 - [27] Passive shield Ishtar is one of the best PVE ships in my book. Tank that is hard a rocks, DPS that is more than enough to shake up any mission/complex, a drone bay that allows versatility, and generally better maneuverability. You won't have to worry if your nueted, you will still tank. You won't have to worry if the rats are far off, you have sentry's. You can even deal out uber damage with the heavy drones when your up close. All while tractoring and salvaging your mission @ a faster pace than the Domi could.
Halada Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:52:00 - [28] 1vs1, Domi wins, easy money. But you can't go deep in 0.0 with a lone Domi can you? If you're into PvE I'd much rather have a Domi. You can insure the domi at full cost and after insurance payout, you actually only lost 5mil at current prices. On the other side, Ishtar is full lose baby. Click on my sig to read it !
Yuri Vladomirovic Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.25 07:16:00 - [29] There are things a ship can do, and there are those, what it cant do. Domi can do better: pve, fleet support, and neut in close quarter. Domi cant do: fast enough targeting to avoid EW, catch those who wanna flee (that means, who ever wanna get away, will get away) Ishtar can do: nano fleet damage dealer (this is how the pvp nowadays working), faster targeting (who can first use the EW usually wins) Ishtar cant do: beat a Domi in 1v1 (however it has a longer drone range, and can easely stay out of 60-80km from the domi), which is just a stupid situation, what only happens in Jita, between 2 "not really clear in mind" guys.
Gregoriuses Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.25 07:24:00 - [30] I think Istar is way better for pvp (small gang or solo) cose of nano Istar and is really great ship tbh. Domi is way better for pve or fleet gangs... Your decisio what u will use Have a nice day and play



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