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Rallycry Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:36:00 - [1] As Goonswarm, and particularly Jihadswarm (losers by any other name are still losers) is supporting the destruction of Innocent Miners in New Eve, I think it's time for the Miners to put the goons in their place. Miners provide the life blood of eve, minerals. W/o Minerals, commerce stops. Period. I call on all Miners to simply stop mining. Stop the flow of minerals, and you soon stop the construction of ships, weapons etc. Goons will soon find that they can't buy ships because their isn't any minerals to make them with. Why? Oh maybe their poorly thought out slaughter of Miners... the guys who provide the minerals they need to build their ships with (oops.. forgot about that didn't you dumbasses?) So. I call on ALL miners, Everywhere, High sec and Low sec, to stop mining. Show the goons that killing miners, is killing the hand that feeds you. My Barge is parked. I refuse to mine any minerals that may find their way to an Alliance that supports the slaughter of Miners. Join me my fellow Miners, and lets show the Goons who has the REAL power in this universe. Rallycry p.s. yes this is an alt.
nthexwn Northwest Research INC	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:50:00 - [2] good luck with that ;-o
Kun'mi An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:50:00 - [3] this needs to be moved to COAD so everyone can get a good laugh
Rallycry Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:56:00 - [4] Miners get sick and tired enough of losing ships to jerks like Jihadswarm, it will happen. the majority live in High Sec and it's the Majority that provide again, the Majority of the minerals used in Eve. Stop the flow of Minerals and you kill production. But it's attitudes like yours, that make doing this tough, you don't think past the short run, and see the greater picture. Either that or your both goons or supporters. The Miners have the real power. We are the Majority, not you. We stop producing, your ships stop getting made or you have to go mine the minerals for yourself, killing your wars and stunting your ability to build ships. Think long and hard about that, **** enough people off, the backlash isn't gonna be pretty. RC
Wayson Trans Nebula Inc. The Threshold	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:14:00 - [5] You're funny. I love reading grandiose posts that have no connection to reality. ___ Victory smiles upon those who anticipate the changes in the character of war, not upon those who wait to adapt themselves after they occur. ~Guilio Douhet
Rallycry Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.24 22:51:00 - [6] And I love reading posts from people that are unable to fathom where the real power is based. Let the Miners stop mining and see just how fast eve economy shuts down. Only people w/o any real concept of supply and demand don't realize this. Here, let me give you an example... Every oil producing nation in the world, shuts down their wells, or even half of them, and the world economy collapses. Every miner stops mining and the eve economy collapses. Sadly, most people can't see past their own greed or desire to the underlying support base, they think big ships with big guns is power, so they FAIL when the real power has enough of idiots like Jihadswarm blowing up their ships. Miners control the EVE economy, period. Doubt that at your peril and keep blowing up Miners. RC
Hesod Adee Xen Of Onslaught	Posted - 2008.03.25 00:39:00 - [7] Does Goonswarm have any miners in it ? If there are miners there, do you expect them to listen to you ?
Rallycry Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.25 01:00:00 - [8] Goonswarm probably does have some miners, but i'm doubting their miners can provide all the minerals they need to maintain ship production at their current levels w/o resorting to buying minerals. this is the point. If their forced to mine for their minerals, their not gonna be able to maintain a war of any kind, and they will collapse from their own stupidity, ignorance and arrogance. This is what their NOT understanding when they start waging a war against Miners. WE control EVE. WE control the blood that gives EVE life. If we stop pumping that blood into the economy, prices skyrocket, and eventually the economy collapses. WE have the ultimate power. Not them. RC
kan han University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.25 01:27:00 - [9] Just a reminder: Eve economy comes out of nothing. It's virtual, so any goods are endless. Period. You can not stop commerce in eve, only if you pull the plug of the servers. The same is for minerals and mining.
Elwarth Echo Squad	Posted - 2008.03.25 01:50:00 - [10] Wouldn't it make more sense for u to ask people to mine and stockpile?
Buster Nabinya Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.25 03:17:00 - [11] Edited by: Buster Nabinya on 25/03/2008 03:21:31 Originally by: kan han Just a reminder: Eve economy comes out of nothing. It's virtual, so any goods are endless. Period. You can not stop commerce in eve, only if you pull the plug of the servers. The same is for minerals and mining. Just a reminder, nearly everything in EVE is made by players. It doesn't come out of "nothing" it has a source, and that source can be influenced by the action of other players. I think RC has the right idea. I'm with you RC. Parking my Mining ship and so is my Wife. Buster
Alley Cat Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:33:00 - [12] Edited by: Alley Cat on 25/03/2008 05:34:20 Great idea and coming so hard with emotion and feelings I LOVE IT! Now on the otherside you need to take a break from EVE. Walk away for a month. EVE is just a game! Relax and enjoy life! We have enough going on with the writers stike in the states (I CANT WAIT FOR HEROES!) we do not need a MINERS strike ok? We get it your important too! -------------------------- Want a free Vindicator, CNR or Tier 1-3 BS? Go to the events side of the forums!
Death4free Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:49:00 - [13] u do realise with 5000 members if all of them spent a month or more training for a covetor they would b able 2 mine just fine for themselves. After all if no one else produces ships then goonswarm will have no one to fight so they wont lose ships..... ur logic is flawed and tbh hi sec needs 0.0 more than 0.0 needs hi sec (we buy ur stuff but we could make it ourselves if nessecary whereas hi sec wouldnt have a use for new ships and thus no need for minerals)
CetusOfAsuran GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Alley Cat Edited by: Alley Cat on 25/03/2008 05:34:20 Relax and enjoy life! We have enough going on with the writers stike in the states (I CANT WAIT FOR HEROES!) Yeh, i love heroes too, and i understand its back in production and should be back on ours screens in fall. Back on topic. Yeh, miners mine alot of ore but so do isk farmers with the macros running, are you forgetting about reproccessing materials? i personally build about 20 thorax per month just from reprocessed crap from missions, aswel as ammo. All a few miners stopping mining would do would push the price up of minerals and lets face it multi billion isk corps can afford whatever it went to. The only people who would suffer are the dregs of the game who would be forced out not being able o afford 300mil for a cruiser. But still i agree with your strike action, and i will personally support it by making sure to attack and destroy any miner not co-operating with the strike and im sure i can convince alot more to follow with you and support your strike.
Xdriver Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo	Posted - 2008.03.26 08:36:00 - [15] Originally by: CetusOfAsuran Originally by: Alley Cat Edited by: Alley Cat on 25/03/2008 05:34:20 Relax and enjoy life! We have enough going on with the writers stike in the states (I CANT WAIT FOR HEROES!) Yeh, i love heroes too, and i understand its back in production and should be back on ours screens in fall. Back on topic. Yeh, miners mine alot of ore but so do isk farmers with the macros running, are you forgetting about reproccessing materials? i personally build about 20 thorax per month just from reprocessed crap from missions, aswel as ammo. All a few miners stopping mining would do would push the price up of minerals and lets face it multi billion isk corps can afford whatever it went to. The only people who would suffer are the dregs of the game who would be forced out not being able o afford 300mil for a cruiser. But still i agree with your strike action, and i will personally support it by making sure to attack and destroy any miner not co-operating with the strike and im sure i can convince alot more to follow with you and support your strike. haha.. "and i will personally support it by making sure to attack and destroy any miner not co-operating with the strike and im sure i can convince alot more to follow with you and support your strike" so will I :-) 490 MILL ISK JACKPOT WIN A ROKH BPO
Cyrus Brassballs Amarrian Religious Reformation Society Exalted	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:40:00 - [16] And I'll be happy to come to the defense of any Miners I see under attack. I will also be making a nice donation to a cpl Merc corps recently hired to bring some smack down to Cowardswarm in response to their unprovoked attacks on Miners. Take your Piracy to low-sec where it belongs... Oh I forgot, High Sec pirates can't hang in Low-sec, thats why their in High-sec. Yeah... real brave and ballsy of you. Attack relatively defenseless ships to make your e-peen big... Cyrus Brassballs
CetusOfAsuran GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY	Posted - 2008.03.26 20:01:00 - [17] haha, you obviously have never taken on a hulk? a properly fitted hulk who has thought about attack aswel as defence and mining is hardly completely defenceless and can certainly tank well, not only that but good proper miners will NEVER be alone.
MarleWH Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.03.26 21:34:00 - [18] If mining stops, prices of everything skyrockets, goonswarm has a massive industrial section that could now make a ludicrous profit by constructing ships and selling them.
pmacFTO Dark Nova Crisis Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Wayson You're funny. I love reading grandiose posts that have no connection to reality. No it does have a connection to reality - I see posts on car forums all the time about having Petrol Protests and nobody does anything there either! ;D We are all too apathetic....I'd explain in more detail but I can't be bothered
kan han University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Buster Nabinya Edited by: Buster Nabinya on 25/03/2008 03:21:31 Originally by: kan han Just a reminder: Eve economy comes out of nothing. It's virtual, so any goods are endless. Period. You can not stop commerce in eve, only if you pull the plug of the servers. The same is for minerals and mining. Just a reminder, nearly everything in EVE is made by players. It doesn't come out of "nothing" it has a source, and that source can be influenced by the action of other players. I think RC has the right idea. I'm with you RC. Parking my Mining ship and so is my Wife. Buster Buster I hope you're kidding. Users are only triggering EVE, that's all. It's a game. The source is virtual, that's it. Come back to reality, it defacto is coming out of nothing. The Game says: here you mine and there you mine - you haven't been a miner before and you aren't afterwards.
CriticalHurt Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:26:00 - [21] okay but u give me 200M first personally i havent seen any in 0.0 that worst thing that would happen is that it will raise the price of the minerals and i will become richer so keep dying ,actually i might send them some funds so they can kill more of u
Buster Nabinya Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Buster Nabinya on 27/03/2008 15:00:00 Originally by: kan han Originally by: Buster Nabinya Edited by: Buster Nabinya on 25/03/2008 03:21:31 Originally by: kan han Just a reminder: Eve economy comes out of nothing. It's virtual, so any goods are endless. Period. You can not stop commerce in eve, only if you pull the plug of the servers. The same is for minerals and mining. Just a reminder, nearly everything in EVE is made by players. It doesn't come out of "nothing" it has a source, and that source can be influenced by the action of other players. I think RC has the right idea. I'm with you RC. Parking my Mining ship and so is my Wife. Buster Buster I hope you're kidding. Users are only triggering EVE, that's all. It's a game. The source is virtual, that's it. Come back to reality, it defacto is coming out of nothing. The Game says: here you mine and there you mine - you haven't been a miner before and you aren't afterwards. Yeah I know it's a game, and all virtual etc. That none of it is real (blasphemy!). Read my post as RP, not my r/l views. Lets have fun with this. Miners -vs- Rats. Miners win Nya Nya! (goes back to mining)
donkilz State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.27 20:25:00 - [23] I'v read somwhere, that jihadswarm's goal is to crash the market, or make the minerals more expensive. So if all miners would stop mining, they would have reached that goal.
Salina Denias School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:59:00 - [24] A more effective and economic means of this would be to have some way to "refuse sale" to specific people, corps or alliances. If I don't like BoB, dont sell to them. While this would not be a solution, it may still be something. There are too many miners, afk and otherwise, to put a crimp is any alliance's manufacturing plans by having people stop. Not enough people would stop to make it work. I support your idea though. carry on.
CriticalHurt Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.28 12:01:00 - [25] please stop mining for 4 weeks at least they will understand
Clrdark4se State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 13:12:00 - [26] This is an interesting topic. I myself am very interested in mining. I am new (obviously) and very much enjoy the thought of making things. I have always been one to get the materials myself instead of paying for them as some or most do, but that is just me and my play style. I am a very patient player. The very dynamics of this game encourage everyone to basically do what the pirates are doing to the miners, blow them up if they want to, and for you to ask for a rebellion against it. Very cool on both ends. Kind of how we as Americans at times ask for a "Boy cot" on gas stations when they charge too much for gas. I can see the valid argument with this from both sides of the coin. If I was in a mining Corp, I would go along with this to see if it would work. Good idea, but also, it's part of the game getting' blown up.
Cyrus Brassballs Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Salina Denias A more effective and economic means of this would be to have some way to "refuse sale" to specific people, corps or alliances. If I don't like BoB, dont sell to them. While this would not be a solution, it may still be something. There are too many miners, afk and otherwise, to put a crimp is any alliance's manufacturing plans by having people stop. Not enough people would stop to make it work. I support your idea though. carry on. Now thats a great idea. Whats the point of being at war with someone, if you can sell your minerals to them. Being able to refuse sale to corps/alliances would be a great addition to the game. Cyrus Brassballs
CetusOfAsuran GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Cyrus Brassballs Originally by: Salina Denias A more effective and economic means of this would be to have some way to "refuse sale" to specific people, corps or alliances. If I don't like BoB, dont sell to them. While this would not be a solution, it may still be something. There are too many miners, afk and otherwise, to put a crimp is any alliance's manufacturing plans by having people stop. Not enough people would stop to make it work. I support your idea though. carry on. Now thats a great idea. Whats the point of being at war with someone, if you can sell your minerals to them. Being able to refuse sale to corps/alliances would be a great addition to the game. Not the first time this has been suggested but do you really think the large corps/alliances arent 95% self sufficient. Anyhoo its alot easier to stop selling(via the immediate buy orders) to people you dont want to? how i hear you cry the buy order owner is hidden. Yes it is until you sell to them so sell 1 unit of trit or whatever you are selling open your wallet see who you sold to dont like that person go t the next highest normally .01 cheaper and so forth, eh voila no longer selling to bob except the 1 here and there. Be quick though no doubt this will become yet another exploit Cyrus Brassballs
Astronoe Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:46:00 - [29] Thank god of eve i'm in neither high or low sec so i guess i'll keep mining . To the belts ! Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine. Sir Arthur Eddington
dev0n Chrysalis Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:39:00 - [30] Well, dont think this will work dude.. hehe.. Im a miner myself. But I use to bring backup when im out mining in low sec. You should do the same :)
The Icefox Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.03.30 02:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Rallycry ...blah... Because large alliances don't mine their own minerals? Bored during down time? Try this.
baumjoe White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2008.03.30 06:20:00 - [32] First not only would that cripple goonswarm and jihadswarm but ever other corp alliance and player in the game. second corps/alliances that big can mine for them selves bribe and contract third party miners. Think about the long term Repercussions of you actions and how they would hurt you more than benefit you.
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.03.30 11:55:00 - [33] I agree that an alliance the size of Goonswarm will have plenty of people to mine. If their intention was to push up market mineral prices then they surely must have pre planned to have miners ready so that they weren't hit by the price changes. So by stopping mining aren't you harming people not in Jihadswarm? I agree that 0.0 needs empire and empire needs 0.0. If it wasn't for empire miners it'd be harder for us to get ships, if it wasn't for us loosing ships it'd be harder for you guys to make a profit. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Kristrina Belaure The Exiled Terren Empire Elite Trade Group	Posted - 2008.04.01 02:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Hesod Adee Does Goonswarm have any miners in it ? If there are miners there, do you expect them to listen to you ? he has a point, id say any 0.0 alliance as large as goonswarm has its own division of lowsec, 0.0 and high sec miners, and a division of manufactuers oh wait lol all types minerals spawn in 0.0 regardless of loc, just luck, so scratch low and high sec miners
Skyfer Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:33:00 - [35] The logic of this post is just bad. Suppose you convince a significant number of miners to stop mining. The longer this goes on, mineral prices will keep rising, and miners will get more and more tempted to start mining again because of the massive and increasing profit they can make. Simple game theory dictates that any rational miner would immediately resume mining, thus resulting in EPIC FAIL. Ironically though, the only people hurt by this are those stupid enough to continue this "boycott" in spite of logic. Thus, stupid people with less isk will be worse equipped to subsidize the scammers in jita that prey almost exclusively off stupid people, resulting in less junk messages and annoyance for myself and other rational players. Wonderful idea.
THEHUNTER123	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:06:00 - [36] and there not gonna make any money (the miners) goonswarm have there own indy corps within the alliance Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ice Raven The Phoenix Group	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:44:00 - [37] I've seen both sides of this story and really, this will hurt everyone in highsec more than 0.0. If you think by stopping all highsec mining will hurt anyone in 0.0... you have it wrong. The guys in low sec can do anything highsec miners can do PLUS double anything highsec can do. Those guys out in 0.0 can get the isk plus the mats to build anything so basicly join up with a bigger alliance or grin and bare what any corp/alliance/player does in eve. I've already lost a hulk once but had enough to replace it. It's like a lot of players say, "If you can't replace it, don't fly it."
alden good Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.04 01:11:00 - [38] honestly i hope u posted this as a joke lol its literally impossible to stop miners from mining because its their isk source. Plus who really cares lol
Amarant'h	Posted - 2008.04.04 13:54:00 - [39] I think they get the minerals by themselves. Harvesting moons etc.. And every man has his price..
Morarq Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:14:00 - [40] You should not try and strike. You guys should have a nice ISK wallet. Join forces and strike back. If this means you got to hire "MANY" mercs then so be it? Good luck to you high sec miners anyways. (gotta love the Jihadswarm idea just a little bit)
Jojo Rumbles	Posted - 2008.04.05 19:54:00 - [41] Most likely, your one man strike will have little impact on the market. These "losers" can't be everywhere and there's money to be made. Sure, the risk of mining alone has increased, but nowhere near enough to warrent a full strike.

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