how about we draft a constitution that would govern the csm?

Why, when the principals set out in the existing one are "not" being followed?

I will attempt to make this short.

CCP tends to function in a vacuum. It ebbs and flows between issues, disasters and successes while at times being completely cut off from outside opinions. We can list the issues till Absolution comes, but the most recent examples of attempting WIS, "gold ammo", Monocles, refusal to re-design POS's just scratches the surface.

It, once a long time, attempted to fix the issue of ignoring outside ideas by implementing the CSM. Alas, for many moons it placated the fan base by flying these elected representatives to Iceland for meetings.

However it wasnt until the last year or so did CCP actually listen to the CSM. Finally democracy at work, a direct connection between paying customers and the developers of EVE, without the base having to resort to cancelling subscriptions to gain an audience.

However now I feel as if we are headed towards the same walled off castle that used to exist. Year after year, at least from my perspective, the players will elect mostly the same people, as term limits have ceased to be reality. We will be once again living in a box, with limited view points being expressed and those viewpoints being controlled.

EVE doesnt have a "Constitution" per say, but as a business it must make money, which tends to mean that money will rule all decisions in the end. However that doesnt mean that EVE will prosper because of it. Many games sell out to money and in their never ending chase for maximum profits they ruin the very product they were seeking to protect and enhance.

Re-institute term limits. Let other people's ideas reach CCP directly. Dont let CSM members become career politicians who's only aim is to get you to vote them back into office.

Re-institute term limits. Let other people's ideas reach CCP directly. Dont let CSM members become career politicians who's only aim is to get you to vote them back into office.

Wahhhh!

Then don't elect them. Campaign, agitate, etc. to get a different candidate elected. Don't change the rules because you don't like the current situation. Use your power to change it the way it was meant to be changed.

would you have made the same argument against the people who rallied for this change to begin with? I am asking to return to the rules as they were 1st implemented.

No, because I dislike the idea of artificial governance. And setting a term limits is that exactly.

so if your voting block gets you into office, you dont think that persons viewpoints will be "artificially" biased towards the people who voted him in? And now that person will indefinitely rally to certain issues to make his constituents happy in order to keep getting elected.

Lets be honest, being a CSM candidate has some decent perks. Flying to and vacationing in Iceland isnt exactly cheap.

So your whole problem with the current CSM is the trips to Iceland?

Absolutely not. How else can the CSM actually bring solutions to CCP in an efficient manner.

Absolutely not. How else can the CSM actually bring solutions to CCP in an efficient manner.

And now that person will indefinitely rally to certain issues to make his constituents happy

Re-institute term limits. Let other people's ideas reach CCP directly. Dont let CSM members become career politicians who's only aim is to get you to vote them back into office.

The forums and the chat screen in EVE are CSM, if you're going to have CSM then you may as well have no other forms of communication with CCP, but that would mean ignoring a huge portion of the player base who are not represented by CSM and it would only be changes that CSM wants.

The problem with Democracy is it assumes that once elected or even during election time humans will always stay honest or not change their opinions, a lot of the time particularly depending on how smart the people are or how much they know about their candidates that isn't the case. They elect people they can relate to thinking its a good idea which is why we have alliances gank voting their leaders in and we only get PvP talked about constantly.

The best thing CCP can do is actively try and talk to everyone ( particularly those who just play the game and don't just sit around waiting for skills to train ) then that way they can look at all the features and decide for themselves what needs fixing and what doesn't, sometimes just looking at players in action can go a long way to finding out what really is stupidly OP than listening to players complain about something they want nerfed so they have an easier advantage.

so if your voting block gets you into office, you dont think that persons viewpoints will be "artificially" biased towards the people who voted him in? And now that person will indefinitely rally to certain issues to make his constituents happy in order to keep getting elected.

If 66% of Eve players reside in Highsec, it is clear they would have the majority at the CSM

Hugo Chavez doesn't exist in eve.

The best thing CCP can do is actively try and talk to everyone ( particularly those who just play the game and don't just sit around waiting for skills to train ) then that way they can look at all the features and decide for themselves what needs fixing and what doesn't, sometimes just looking at players in action can go a long way to finding out what really is stupidly OP than listening to players complain about something they want nerfed so they have an easier advantage.