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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:23:00 -
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i've got quite a bit of spare cash and i'm thinking of starting to PvP, so i'd like some advice on how to set up my first PvP cruiser (thorax), i'll probably be using it alone or in relatively small gangs two or three people.As far as i understand i'll need an MWD, Blasters and scrambler + webber, i'm not too sure wether to fill out the highs with 5 blasters or use 4 allowing more powergrd to fit other modules main problem i'm having is that an MWD and 5 blaster setup is quite power hungry (not sure wether it would be better to use the lightests med-blasters available to free up power grid). At any rate some guidance on the matter would be much apreciated.
(lastly is there any real point sacrificing low slots for warp core stabs?)
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:29:00 -
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I'd say there are two schools.
With skills: Heavy Neutrons, mwd, web, point, 3 mfs, damage control.
Or Electrons, mwd, web, point, RCU 1600mm plate, EANM, suitcase and mfs.
Without skills: Electrons, 800mm plate, eanm, suitcase.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:33:00 -
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hmm excuse my noobishness but whats an
EANM?
Also i take it Suitcase referes to a damage control
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Gaelenus
hmm excuse my noobishness but whats an
EANM?
Also i take it Suitcase referes to a damage control
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane, and yes.
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Manus Stuprare
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gaelenus
(lastly is there any real point sacrificing low slots for warp core stabs?)
Never, never, never fit warp core stabs on a combat setup.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Hmm i have a setup in mind, would like to see what ppl think
Highs:
4x Electrons (Antimatter charges)
1x med nos OR 1x smart bomb (not sure which)
Meds:
MWD, Scrambler, Web
Lows:
2xMFS
1xoverdrive injector
1xMed armour rep
1X DCU
(any guidance would be good, i seem to continuously run short on powergrid i could train a level of engeneering relatively quickly but wouldnt aliviate the problem much and as far as i know using reactor control units is a bad idea)
I chose the med armour rep over the plate and small armour rep i though a good repair capacity would be better than a massive capacity to take damage not too sure about that choice..
I dont expect the fitting to be FANTASTIC but i do hope it wont pop at the first sign of trouble.
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Manus Stuprare
Originally by: Gaelenus
(lastly is there any real point sacrificing low slots for warp core stabs?)
Never, never, never fit warp core stabs on a combat setup.
I disagree, Warp Core Stabs are a must on any sniper ship!
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
With skills: Heavy Neutrons, mwd, web, point, 3 mfs, damage control, adaptive nano plating.
Don't forget about that last slot. Essentially free resists are too much to pass up.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 22:04:00 -
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hmm maby dropping the overdrive injector for the adaptive nano membrane? or one of the MFS? actually come to think about it not sure how much use the overdrive is....
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.26 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
I'd say there are two schools.
With skills: Heavy Neutrons, mwd, web, point, 3 mfs, damage control.
Or Electrons, mwd, web, point, RCU 1600mm plate, EANM, suitcase and mfs.
Without skills: Electrons, 800mm plate, eanm, suitcase.
The man speaks the truth.
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Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:04:00 -
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He's totally right, that is the real man fitting,
with newbish skills go for the fit with electrons and an 800mm plate, the 1600mm only fits with perfect fitting skills and an rcu II. whatever you do though, please don't fall into the 1600mm with light guns trap. Repping through a plate that large is ridiculous and a the real man fitting mentioned above will beat it hands down anyway.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gaelenus on 27/03/2008 00:17:03
Okay i've refined my fitting as follows:
Highs:
5xElectrons / 4x Electrons and 1 medium nos (still not sure wehthere the cap warfare is worth the damage reduction?)
Meds
Web
MWD
7.5k Scram
Lows
800mm plate
2x MAgnetic field stabilisers
1x adaptive nano membrane
1x small armour repairere
(i'm assuming with this set up i'm really just hoping i can take more damage than the other guy seeing as the small armour rep is gonna do next to nothing in regards to reparing that plate... at least in a combat time frame..)
Oh will also be using 5 hammer head ones
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Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:24:00 -
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ya man, that's a good fitting though i'd make sure you've got a damage control on it because gallente ships have the most structure hp and.... well... you NEED it on a blaster/endurance ship. so put one on there and i'll like you  . also, use the last blaster, even with a nos, if this thing gets cap war put on it it's going to be out rather quickly. just remember you aren't running the mwd for very long.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:36:00 -
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hmm nearly there then, well i'll go with the 5x blaster setup so no NOS, last point rele is on my lows. I have three modules to chose between and only 2 free slots
-Small armor repairer
-DCU
-Adaptive nano membrane
i'm leaning towards fitting the rep and DCU.... not very sure advice on this matter would be much apreciated
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Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:40:00 -
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2 magstabs, 1 DCU, EANM, 800mm plate. I like three magstabs and drop the eanm.. but that is just cus im dangerous
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:57:00 -
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hmm so what do i do about reping armour on the field?
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.27 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gaelenus
hmm so what do i do about reping armour on the field?
Simple answer would be - you don't.
Dock up and rep or let a gangmate with remote reps rep you up. Or fight till you pop.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 01:06:00 -
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Hmm fair enough i guess, not too comfortable with that but seeing as that seems to be the best setup... at any rate thanx for the help
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Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 01:11:00 -
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no prob dude, and congratz to everybody on a clean thread! lol
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 01:56:00 -
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/me claps. Yeah, I will agree and say well done on no flames at all. This should be stickied lol.
However, I do think that this thread CLEARLY shows that Thorax needs a nerf, as it brings the nice out in people... 
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 02:01:00 -
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hmm maybe its to do with what it looks like... i mean who doesn't get cheered up when they see a fantastic huge..... jumbo jet  ...*Cough* *Cough* if more of eves ships looked like that we'd have a better community...
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Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 02:13:00 -
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oooH i just thought of one (very small and very playful ) flame
bronson!! that last low slot is for a RCU! hahahaah i did it i did it!
done.
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Tai Paktu
Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.27 02:20:00 -
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If you can squeeze a 20km point on there, do it. You're presumably after belt PvP in low sec and while you might catch some folks with a 7.5, the number that get away when you're 10km away on warp in while drive you nuts. After missing a solo Apoc 4 times on 4 seperate gates having fitted a 20km, I will ever fly with a 24km point ever again.
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 02:22:00 -
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Thanxs for that heads up actually hadn't thought about losing them as soon as i warp in... yeah will switch the scram to 20k, nd hope they dont have a stab.... or that i have other ppl with me to help jam
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Dyaven
Altruism.
Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gaelenus
Thanxs for that heads up actually hadn't thought about losing them as soon as i warp in... yeah will switch the scram to 20k, nd hope they dont have a stab.... or that i have other ppl with me to help jam
Don't worry, the only people that fit stabs nowadays are those traveling through lowsec, and you won't be gatecamping so it isn't a problem.
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Markit Broker
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:22:00 -
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stabs
they gimp you targeting range pretty badly, so how do you snipe in that thing?
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:03:00 -
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its a blaster boat i don't intend to snipe.... also do stabs affect overall targeting range? i thought it was just the range of scrams....
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Yuri Vladomirovic
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Yuri Vladomirovic on 27/03/2008 09:20:13
At the start, NoNah said it loud and clear:
1 Damage Control II
1 Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1 Reactor Control Unit II
1 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
1 Stasis Webifier II
1 Warp Scrambler II
5 Heavy Electron Blaster II
5 Hammerhead II
This is the best, forget the rest:
25000+ effective hp
500+ dps, with some medium quality implants
enough capacitor
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Gaelenus
Cirrius Cybernetics Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 10:11:00 -
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Yuri that would be fantastic if:
a) i had the skills
b) i didn't mind losing the huge amount that ship must cost to fit
.... though seeing as i don't have the skills, and although i do have the money i wouldn't want to gamble it all on my first proper pvp ship that set up is a bit out of reach....
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Yuri Vladomirovic
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.27 11:14:00 -
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1. Yes, its a bit costly (still less than by bigger ship t2 fits)
2. Yes, needs a lot of skill
But:
You can change the whole t2 moduls to t1 named (not the most expensive types), but KEEP the rolled tungsten.
So:
Cheap ship, less skill needed
What matters:
This formula is the best, imho (no matter if cheap t1, or t2)
What can happen:
Without adv. weapon upgr. lvl4 maybe u cant fit all the modules
Then u have to decide, smaller dps, or weaker tank
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