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P'uck
Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: P''uck on 27/03/2008 18:27:07 id like to say a bit more than the usual
"lol op wtf"
proposed changes would make the ship what?
8/5/7?
errm lolwut? (and i havent even talked about how hot the harbi is right now)
if that ever went through, i would consider training amarr frig to 1 right now. but then again i wouldnt do it, because it would be nerfed back to oblivion before im able to train amarr cruiser 1.
also, i cant believe i used my time to reply to that thread. you just cannot be serious, also your reasoning... is... kind of lacking, at best.
to sum it up: "lol op wtf"
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Shadowsword The Myrmidon can outdps the harbinger while still having a slightly better tank.
Are you sure your taking the DPS decrease from falloff into account?
No, but then, when both ships are webbed, generally with the inertia you still get quite close to the enemy ship.
But if you want to take more parameters into account, fine. Then add the efficiency decrease of both ships when tracking disrupted, or when jammed, or damped, and things like that... (and no, drones being vulnerables isn't really an argument, because no one target them except in theorycraft, that would be too much dps that isn't used on pounding the enemy) ------------------------------------------
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Intravenous deMilo
Vogon Reconstruction Fleet The OSS
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Posted - 2008.03.27 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Intravenous deMilo on 27/03/2008 21:34:41 Harbcr*cker?
Edit for rediculous word filtering.
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Julius Romanus
Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
Originally by: Julius Romanus Afterburners need a boost. Viable pvp w/ burner takes the harb from great bc, to greatest bc.
They should give ABs some web resistance, so that it could maintain better speed inside webrange than an mwd.
Was my thought as well. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only. |

Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 28/03/2008 02:14:20 Harbinger is best T2 BC there is imo (except for the Drake ) It dosen't need nerfing, boosting or messing with in any way. It is quite perfect. ...
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Julius Romanus
Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 28/03/2008 02:14:20 Harbinger is best T2 BC there is imo (except for the Drake ) It dosen't need nerfing, boosting or messing with in any way. It is quite perfect.
It's almost perfect. W/ mwd its hard to fit heavy pulses and a 1600mm plate on a single pg rig. With a burner it fits perfectly. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only. |

Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus W/ mwd its hard to fit heavy pulses and a 1600mm plate on a single pg rig. With a burner it fits perfectly.
I can't fit MWD, HAMs and Dual Extenders on my Drake without at least 2 fitting mods either. Also you're fitting a battleship-sized mod onto a BC, so you're going to have fitting issues regardless. ...
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Terianna Eri
FMP Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:56:00 -
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no that's not good enough
herblingjler needs +300 PG, +1 turret, and +1 med and +2 lows  and +100m3 drone bay and +75mb/s bandwidth  also the damage bonus needs to be upped to +15%/level and the cap bonus to -20%/level
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Julius Romanus
Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Julius Romanus W/ mwd its hard to fit heavy pulses and a 1600mm plate on a single pg rig. With a burner it fits perfectly.
I can't fit MWD, HAMs and Dual Extenders on my Drake without at least 2 fitting mods either. Also you're fitting a battleship-sized mod onto a BC, so you're going to have fitting issues regardless.
You dont need to tell me things I dont already know Rawr. I never said it shouldnt be difficult. I said the ship would be perfect. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only. |

Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.28 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri no that's not good enough
herblingjler needs +300 PG, +1 turret, and +1 med and +2 lows  and +100m3 drone bay and +75mb/s bandwidth  also the damage bonus needs to be upped to +15%/level and the cap bonus to -20%/level

And can I get it in multiple colors? I'd like mine black, with air conditioning and power steering.
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Terianna Eri
FMP Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.28 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Terianna Eri no that's not good enough
herblingjler needs +300 PG, +1 turret, and +1 med and +2 lows  and +100m3 drone bay and +75mb/s bandwidth  also the damage bonus needs to be upped to +15%/level and the cap bonus to -20%/level

And can I get it in multiple colors? I'd like mine black, with air conditioning and power steering.
CCP Buff harbinger! give us leather interiors or i'm cancelling my 203 accounts    __________________________________
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.28 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus You dont need to tell me things I dont already know Rawr. I never said it shouldnt be difficult to fit all those things. I said the ship would be perfect.
k I was just saying  ...
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Julius Romanus
Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Julius Romanus You dont need to tell me things I dont already know Rawr. I never said it shouldnt be difficult to fit all those things. I said the ship would be perfect.
k I was just saying 
No harshness intended. Been a long day and thought words were being put into my mouth is all. ------------------ For Medicinal Use Only. |

Rogerano
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:19:00 -
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You guys have been smoking pure fail. An unfitted binger is teh sheetzest BC out there. I don't think even adding +1 slots is going to save it. What it needs is pure win. --- Not happy with something in EVE? An emo whine will doubtless help your cause. |

arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rogerano You guys have been smoking pure fail. An unfitted binger is teh sheetzest BC out there. I don't think even adding +1 slots is going to save it. What it needs is pure win.
Its not even a rick roll this time  ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^ |

Liam Fremen
Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:31:00 -
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Harbinger is a very nice pvp ship and even pve, what's the problem with it :) good fitting, cheap, fit well and easy, not so hard to use, good dronebay, what u want more?
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Nina Roncheli
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Fremen
Harbinger is a very nice pvp ship and even pve, what's the problem with it :) good fitting, cheap, fit well and easy, not so hard to use, good dronebay, what u want more?
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I agree with u at some point. But i think it need 1 more med slot tbh
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Cpt Cosmic
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:45:00 -
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the only thing that needs more slots/cpu/pgrid is the peoples brain who cannot use this ship properly 
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Sean Faust
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 28/03/2008 02:14:20 Harbinger is best T2 BC there is imo (except for the Drake ) It dosen't need nerfing, boosting or messing with in any way. It is quite perfect.
Well, I WOULD like to see that stupid amarr "laser cap use" bonus dropped in favor of an ACTUAL bonus, as well as on other amarr ships, but then they'd have to fix lasers, and that just makes too much sense for them to ever do it.
The whole laser cap use penalty/bonus was put into place a long time ago to prevent other races' ships (specifically the ferox and dominix, from what i understand) from fitting them back when their damage was ridiculous compared to all other turrets in the game. Since that's no longer true, there's no more reason for lasers to be as ridiculous on cap as they are.
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