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Brutor Tutor
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:01:00 -
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Is ice harvesting effected by the mining foreman skill? It says it effects mining yield but how does that effect yield when yield is 2 blocks of ice?
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:06:00 -
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No effects that change the yield of mining lasers affect ice miners. Only cycle time effects work.
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Brutor Tutor
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Brutor Tutor on 26/03/2008 17:07:43
Also does ice harvesting have anything to gain from the ice mining modules like mining foreman mindlink - laser optimisation, is there any way to get the bonus from this above 2%? I'm mining in empire and can't use capital ships so no capital mining ship, what's the max bonus I can get from the laser optimisation mindlink and how can i attain it?
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 26/03/2008 17:14:43
You're mixing and matching your items.
The Mining Foreman Links are modules that require Leadership V and Mining Director 1 (in addition to any skill needed to fly the ship you use them on. You use on certain ships (including battlecruisers, command ships, Cap. Industrial ships, and Super-Capital ships if you are so inclined) and they grant some mining related bonus to your gang. Since none of the Mining Foreman links change mining laser yield (only range, cycle time, and cap use) they all affect ice miners.
The Mining Foreman Mindlink is an implant that requires Cybernetics V and Mining Director V. It improves the effect of any Mining Foreman Link that you are using.
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"I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Brutor Tutor
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Bronson Hughes
You're mixing and matching your items.
The Mining Foreman Links are modules that require Leadership V and Mining Director 1 (in addition to any skill needed to fly the ship you use them on. You use on certain ships (including battlecruisers, command ships, Cap. Industrial ships, and Super-Capital ships if you are so inclined) and they grant some mining related bonus to your gang.
The Mining Foreman Mindlink is an implant that requires Cybernetics V and Mining Director V. It improves the effect of any Mining Foreman Link that you are using.
So then what is the max bonus I could attain from the laser optimisation mindlink using a battlecruiser? 15%? 2% bonus base, 10% with mining director 5, and then 50% bonus to make it a 15% bonus with the mining foreman mindlink?
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Suncats Shadow
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:19:00 -
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Brutor;
As far as I know there is nothing you can do to increase the yield on ice harvesters.
You can use a Mackinaw which will help in reducing the cycle time also. You will need to train Exhumers to at least lvl 4 to offset '100% bonus Ice Harvester yield but 25% penalty to ice harvester duration'
The only other things are to decrease the cycle time based on Ice Harvesting skill
You can also upgrade to Ice harvester II's which start with a shorter base cycle time that the ice harvester I's
There are also a couple of implants, like Linkage.
Hope that helps a bit?
King of the puffy tail
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.26 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Tutor
2% bonus base, 10% with mining director 5, and then 50% bonus to make it a 15% bonus with the mining foreman mindlink?
Without checking the numbers I can tell you that that figure sounds 'about right', but an actual industrial/mining player could tell you better. Even with everything maxed out, gang bonuses aren't huge, but every little bit helps.
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Leferati
Mercantile Club Research
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:07:00 -
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the magic number is a 218sec cycle time on ice with lvl 5 skills, implants and a miner foreman in gang with implants and a foreman module running.
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Brutor Tutor
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leferati
the magic number is a 218sec cycle time on ice with lvl 5 skills, implants and a miner foreman in gang with implants and a foreman module running.
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How do you get it that low? Is that the cycle time on a mackinkaw with 1x t2 mining upgrade? is the mining foreman using a battlecruiser or a rorq for extra command bonus?
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Mona X
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.03.26 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Tutor
So then what is the max bonus I could attain from the laser optimisation mindlink using a battlecruiser? 15%? 2% bonus base, 10% with mining director 5, and then 50% bonus to make it a 15% bonus with the mining foreman mindlink?
And 7,5% from warfare link specialist, so max is 22,5% cycle reduction without rorqual.
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Tiberius Xavier
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Tutor
Originally by: Leferati
the magic number is a 218sec cycle time on ice with lvl 5 skills, implants and a miner foreman in gang with implants and a foreman module running.
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How do you get it that low? Is that the cycle time on a mackinkaw with 1x t2 mining upgrade? is the mining foreman using a battlecruiser or a rorq for extra command bonus?
T2 Ice Harvestor=500s 500 *
Mackinaw Penalty 25% (1.25) *
Exhumers 5 Bonus 25% (0.75) *
Ice Harvesing 5=25% (0.75) *
T1 Ice Mining Upgrade 5% (0.95) *
T2 Ice Mining Upgrade 9% (0.91) *
( Gang Bonus: 2% base 0.02
Mining Director 500% effective *5
Warfare Link Spec +50% *1.5
Mindlink +50% *1.5
Rorqual (Capital Industrial 5) *1.25)
500*1.25*.75*.75*.95*.91*(1-0.02*5*1.5*1.5*1.25)=218.4466552
This is without implants in the miner. Plug in some yeti implant for better.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.26 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 26/03/2008 20:05:53
kmb50 imp for 2x t2 upgrades
-> 208,725779
all that' sleft is a yeti to your liking
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Tiberius Xavier
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 26/03/2008 20:05:53
kmb50 imp for 2x t2 upgrades
-> 208,725779
all that' sleft is a yeti to your liking
How do you have enough CPU to fit 2x T2 upgrades?
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Kenshin Woo
Caldari Heavy Transport
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Posted - 2008.03.26 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kenshin Woo on 26/03/2008 21:48:33
...kmb50 imp for 2x t2 upgrades...
Note the part in bold.
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Aoi Sakamoto
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Posted - 2008.04.10 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
Originally by: Brutor Tutor
Originally by: Leferati
the magic number is a 218sec cycle time on ice with lvl 5 skills, implants and a miner foreman in gang with implants and a foreman module running.
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How do you get it that low? Is that the cycle time on a mackinkaw with 1x t2 mining upgrade? is the mining foreman using a battlecruiser or a rorq for extra command bonus?
T2 Ice Harvestor=500s 500 *
Mackinaw Penalty 25% (1.25) *
Exhumers 5 Bonus 25% (0.75) *
Ice Harvesing 5=25% (0.75) *
T1 Ice Mining Upgrade 5% (0.95) *
T2 Ice Mining Upgrade 9% (0.91) *
( Gang Bonus: 2% base 0.02
Mining Director 500% effective *5
Warfare Link Spec +50% *1.5
Mindlink +50% *1.5
Rorqual (Capital Industrial 5) *1.25)
500*1.25*.75*.75*.95*.91*(1-0.02*5*1.5*1.5*1.25)=218.4466552
This is without implants in the miner. Plug in some yeti implant for better.
Has anyone confirmed that the above calculation is true?
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Clansworth
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.11 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aoi Sakamoto
Has anyone confirmed that the above calculation is true?
Whipping out my calculator .... Yes.. I have confirmed it... and, as stated, this is without implants in the miner. Adding a KMB-50 implant to the miner would get enough cpu to use 2 t2 upgrades, making the cycle time 209.2489 sec. Adding a Yeti BX-2 would give another 5%, so the max possible cycle time becomes 198.787 sec. Or, if you like it this way, that's 72.44 blocks an hour from each so equipped mackinaw in gang. Or, it can be stated that you will fill a jetcan with ice every 22 min 21 sec. |
Al Czervik
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Posted - 2008.04.12 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Al Czervik on 12/04/2008 00:11:40
I think that the "complete miners guide" has this formula in it. it is "stickied" and a PDF file. Very usful and think that is it right. It also clearifies the command stuff as well.
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Iilludari
Gallente
Loyalty projects
Sempiternus
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:42:00 -
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Well this is kinda on topic.
my alt fly a Hulk, exhumers 5, ice harvesting 5, 2 x ice harvester upgrade II and a Yeti 5% implant.
With that he gets 249s cycle time
I'm planning on getting into an Eos (CS) and use a laser opti module,
How good can a Hulk become Ice Mining? And how much worse would it be than a mack?
At the moment I have tested using a Mackinaw with 1 x T1 and 1 x T2 upgrade, and it takes me around 65 mins before the mack outmines the Hulk
Since I at times also mine regular ores with t2 strippers, I have opted for staying with the Hulk. but if a Mack can outmine the Hulk significantly I might bow down and buy a Mack to (I'm a cheap bastard).
Iilludari
CEO of
Loyalty Projects
Loyalty Projects Homepage
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Harry Caray
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Iilludari
Well this is kinda on topic.
my alt fly a Hulk, exhumers 5, ice harvesting 5, 2 x ice harvester upgrade II and a Yeti 5% implant.
With that he gets 249s cycle time
I'm planning on getting into an Eos (CS) and use a laser opti module,
How good can a Hulk become Ice Mining? And how much worse would it be than a mack?
At the moment I have tested using a Mackinaw with 1 x T1 and 1 x T2 upgrade, and it takes me around 65 mins before the mack outmines the Hulk
Since I at times also mine regular ores with t2 strippers, I have opted for staying with the Hulk. but if a Mack can outmine the Hulk significantly I might bow down and buy a Mack to (I'm a cheap bastard).
i do not have exhumers V yet, or cybernetics V to get the yeti5% but i do my ice mining in a mack with 2 T2 harvesters, and 2 TII upgrades (you need the SMB-50 cpu implant and mining upgrades to IV). i also run a hulk for regular ore.
with all the skills and implants the mack is the best ice ship available but you will be flying paper thin on defenses, so bring your drones and a buddy if possible. 
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Jocasta Nu
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:05:00 -
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thers another thing with hulk vs mack
personally when i'm at work i use hulk wih 3 t2 ice harvies and 2 t2 ihu's due to its cargohold 9k with 1 rig thats 3 full cycles + i use merm with laser opti link (atm lvl 3 director and lvl 2 link specialist thats 7.2% if i remember correctly)so i dont have to fly every 4 mins while i cant use hauler
but when i'm at home i use mack with 2 t2 ice harvies and 2 t2 ihu's and a hauler with 29k
i's sad that mack cant get past 8k cargohold even with 2 t1 rigs
conclusions:
-when you cant fly there and back every 4 mins or you cant use a hauler use hulk with 1 cargo rig
-mack will outmine hulk simple fact
-we finally need ORCA with not bad cargohold i'll get 2 macks and ORCA and mine s..t loads of ice
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padraig animal
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: padraig animal on 13/04/2008 20:00:01
Whit a main to keep it simple a bc who has mining foreman v mining dir v ,and not to forget warfare spec v + 1 link laser optimization .
Then a few Mackinaws whit ice hav v, tii fitted High&Low + (need the kmb-50 impl to fit that)
Yeti -2 impl i get 214.38 .
But your flying a paper bag true ,so if a ore thief shows up ,let him ... lol a buddy of mine thought he could take a vexor ... wrong move 
Hmm i tho have also Michi's Mining Implant slot 7 fitted 5% bonus to mining ,not sure if that counts for ice mining lol |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Iilludari
Well this is kinda on topic.
my alt fly a Hulk, exhumers 5, ice harvesting 5, 2 x ice harvester upgrade II and a Yeti 5% implant.
With that he gets 249s cycle time
I'm planning on getting into an Eos (CS) and use a laser opti module,
How good can a Hulk become Ice Mining? And how much worse would it be than a mack?
At the moment I have tested using a Mackinaw with 1 x T1 and 1 x T2 upgrade, and it takes me around 65 mins before the mack outmines the Hulk
Since I at times also mine regular ores with t2 strippers, I have opted for staying with the Hulk. but if a Mack can outmine the Hulk significantly I might bow down and buy a Mack to (I'm a cheap bastard).
I am kinda rusty but your hulk is getting 3 blocks of ice in 249 secs, the maki from above gets 4 blocks in 218 secs, so i guess it outmines it straight away. Hulk will be faster than you have it if you apply the same gang bous etc, but the maki should outmine it whatever.
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