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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:07:00 -
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I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK! -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:07:00 -
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I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK! -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Gallant Nose
Thunderstruck. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:16:00 -
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ok
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Captain Sonata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:27:00 -
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I don't even give my passwords to my mother.
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata I don't even give my passwords to my mother.
neither do i. but we all make mistakes. some of us play WOW , some of us have babies, rest hand out account details -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Fesken Rans
The Order of Cistral The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata I don't even give my passwords to my mother.
I do. I make her mine in my place from time to time.
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Kejontes
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:08:00 -
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A pox on the AFY scum! How could they be so cruel?!?!?
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 27/03/2008 03:31:34 I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK!
most definitely belongs in c/p.... ____________________________________________
Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
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Lady Irulan
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:12:00 -
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Ogdru you're an IDIOT. I and OLD AFY. You aren't in the corp you never were you don't know the story you got banned too so shut the hell up.
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Baku Canal
Baku Canal Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:24:00 -
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Nobody Cares about the Intersteller SpacE Credits you stole. Nobody Cares if you got Booted from your AFY Corp. So go back to empire and Rat your belt rats. OK??? CEO and Lead Diplomat of BNC BNC: Where your dreams come true!
Baku Canal
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Ethen Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:28:00 -
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No one cares. Your alliance is going to get steamrolled soon btw.
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Baku Canal
Baku Canal Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ethen Bejorn No one cares. Your alliance is going to get steamrolled soon btw.
who is my Alliacne CEO and Lead Diplomat of BNC BNC: Where your dreams come true!
Baku Canal
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.27 05:28:00 -
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the penalty for the thief in the case of an account theft as a result of account sharing is a 30-day ban and then they are back to normal?
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:05:00 -
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Odgru, it is infact you who are the scum.
You know I have always responded to your eve-mails, letting you know the exact details and yet this time you do not even have the courtesy to bother asking first.
You have absolutely no idea what has gone on.
The isk, according to tommy, was returned to his account, and then removed by a GM. We didn't demand he say sorry, we returned all of his roles, access to corp wallets and assets, access that was only removed initially because he had given his account details out to another party.
Everyone is at fault here, most of all everyone who did anything without coming to me first, and letting us sort it out. If he had, I guarantee he would have got his isk back if I had to give it to him myself and kick everyone else involved. Instead he petitioned and CCP stepped in. Another corp member and his wife had their 6 accounts banned for 30 days as a result of his actions, and still I called equal fault and as far as I was concerned it was over. There are no winners here, only losers.
Tommy has been a member of AFY for 2 years and almost 3 months. He is a valued member of AFY, there is no ones word I would take above his, but all I have him telling me is that he petitioned, got 8 accounts banned and he tells me CCP took the isk. What exactly are we supposed to do ?
I know he is a young kid who has difficulty seeing, and I assure you we have been incredibly understanding of his position.
I have answered your eve-mails with very long and detailed eve-mails only to be told that 'you never answered' and then 'I know you gave a long reply' etc.
Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that.
This incident happened over 6 weeks ago, and everyone involved is still in corp, people are quite welcome to leave and bad mouth us, but it cannot be as bad as you make out if they choose to stay no ?
Hohne, CEO Antares Fleet Yards.
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Monarche
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:12:00 -
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Nice english. Please can you clarify the following:
1. What is your actual point? 2. What do you mean by invalid? 3. What is the relationship between isk stealing and a real life email address? 4.Is it all the members of AFY or just a member who sucks ? 5. Can you confirm or deny that you are not a CCP employee alt highlighting, this incident as an example of what happens to people who violate the EULA.
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vapinator
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:14:00 -
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"Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that."
I'm not laughing out loud for fear that my head would fall off.
Of course he petitioned. He had isk taken from his wallet without his consent, and all YOU could do was try and play the armchair diplomat. Just think about that.
Sure, he was silly to give his login and password, but that still doesn't warrant his isk being stolen and YOU telling him to apoligize. Hey, guy. Your isk got taken from your wallet WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL and now you need to apoligise? Give me a break.
Oh noes! People got 8 accounts banned! I hope they spent the 30 days reflecting on how good it felt for them to steal isk from a blind invalid.
CCP might have taken the isk, but you're asking what you should do? If members of any corp steal isk from another member then you should boot them and pod them for as long as you can find then. If you don't, you're just a gutless wonder.
Yeah, that's a real moral high horse you're on there, Hohne. I hope the view is worth it, because your conscience, and that of the thieves, sure doesn't seem to be hurting.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:16:00 -
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the op appears to be an idiot.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:17:00 -
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hey i stole a bunch of isk from some dude using mechaniscs banned by the eula so i'll make a post about it on caod.
BRILLIANT
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Monarche
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator "Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that."
I'm not laughing out loud for fear that my head would fall off.
Of course he petitioned. He had isk taken from his wallet without his consent, and all YOU could do was try and play the armchair diplomat. Just think about that.
Sure, he was silly to give his login and password, but that still doesn't warrant his isk being stolen and YOU telling him to apoligize. Hey, guy. Your isk got taken from your wallet WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL and now you need to apoligise? Give me a break.
Oh noes! People got 8 accounts banned! I hope they spent the 30 days reflecting on how good it felt for them to steal isk from a blind invalid.
CCP might have taken the isk, but you're asking what you should do? If members of any corp steal isk from another member then you should boot them and pod them for as long as you can find then. If you don't, you're just a gutless wonder.
Yeah, that's a real moral high horse you're on there, Hohne. I hope the view is worth it, because your conscience, and that of the thieves, sure doesn't seem to be hurting.
Can you like read? Buy the way when were you in AFY ?
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baffy
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Monarche Can you like read? Buy the way when were you in AFY ?
wait, you can purchase the way now? sweet, where did you get it?
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum hey i stole a bunch of isk from some dude using mechaniscs banned by the eula so i'll make a post about it on caod.
BRILLIANT
how the hell did you come to that conclusion sherlock? -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Monarche
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: baffy
Originally by: Monarche Can you like read? Buy the way when were you in AFY ?
wait, you can purchase the way now? sweet, where did you get it?
With isk from an account a friend shared with me
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator Of course he petitioned. He had isk taken from his wallet without his consent, and all YOU could do was try and play the armchair diplomat. Just think about that.
I don't disagree it was a stupid thing to do, but what do you do when you have 2 children that both do something they should not? You make sure that they set things right. Trust me, I have given tommy far far more isk than was ever taken just because I like the kid and I feel sorry for him. To have our name tarnished after taking care of him as best as I can for over 2 years is a huge insult. He told someone he wasn't going to be playing for 2 months, they thought they could get it back to him by the time he returned, I believe they would have given it back, but as far as I'm aware he never even asked, not once. This comes from what both of them have told me.
Quote: Sure, he was silly to give his login and password, but that still doesn't warrant his isk being stolen and YOU telling him to apoligize. Hey, guy. Your isk got taken from your wallet WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL and now you need to apoligise? Give me a break.
I agree, it doesn't warrant it and BULL****. I never asked him to apologize. Not ONCE. I don't know where you are getting this. I would always pick his side over another, he is one of my two oldest members and a friend. TOTAL BULL****. He was not asked to say anything, give anything do anything. All of his roles were given back unconditionally.
Quote: Oh noes! People got 8 accounts banned! I hope they spent the 30 days reflecting on how good it felt for them to steal isk from a blind invalid.
2 of those were tommy's accounts. The others I think you'll find the value of the account time lost was greater than the isk taken, which they still had taken back and then confiscated by CCP.
Quote: CCP might have taken the isk, but you're asking what you should do? If members of any corp steal isk from another member then you should boot them and pod them for as long as you can find then. If you don't, you're just a gutless wonder.
Everyone trusted them not to take the isk, even tommy did, they would have given it back he told them he was not playing for 60 days, they needed to borrow some isk. I hate that they did this, I in no way think it's acceptable and I would have made sure of it or I would have booted them and podded them etc. But because no one even bothered to ask me to make sure this happened all involved were banned. That takes things out of my hands.
Quote: Yeah, that's a real moral high horse you're on there, Hohne. I hope the view is worth it, because your conscience, and that of the thieves, sure doesn't seem to be hurting.
Trust me, I have a friend in Tommy, I have given him far far more isk than was ever taken from him by others. I don't see how my conscience can be hurting when I wasn't even involved.
Think about it this way, you give a friend the keys to your house and car and ask him to look after it for 60 days as you will be overseas, you trust him enough to give him the keys to your entire house, you come back early after a week, and find that the house is perfect but they have borrowed your car to go down the shops. On the basis of what has said here the logical course of action would be to report it stolen (on advice of your 'friends' who you just met), get your friend thrown in jail and then admit to the court that you said he could borrow it later, perjuring yourself and causing the same. If you'd come back when you said you would your car would be there and everything would be fine.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:38:00 -
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This is total bull****, if tommy feels wronged you get him to come and post here and say so, don't go making out to be his friend if you are not. I have been his friend for over 2 years now, it hurts that someone else comes on here and ridicules that. I play this game for the social aspect, I don't mine or rat or run missions I manage a corp which is over 3 years old and has survived without a bad word being said by any present or past member. IÆd like to think thatÆs the mark of success, not what some random nobody thinks.
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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 27/03/2008 03:31:34 I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK!
Are you the same Ogdru Jahad who lost a sacrilege to me a long long time ago in Itrin?
Because if you are, I have to say congratulations on STILL being the dumbest of any smacking victim I have yet to meet, that's right, nobody has taken your throne so far.
Given the nonsensecial OP i'll guess you are. ------ I speak on behalf of my corporation PS. You suck |
vapinator
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hohne I don't disagree it was a stupid thing to do, but what do you do when you have 2 children that both do something they should not? You make sure that they set things right. Trust me, I have given tommy far far more isk than was ever taken just because I like the kid and I feel sorry for him.
"Here I am, justifying the theft of Isk from a member of my corp, who did not previously give approval. I don't care that he is handicapped, because there are no morals in this game no matter what! I wish to sit on the fence and not make sure it's dealt with fairly".
Originally by: Hohne He told someone he wasn't going to be playing for 2 months, they thought they could get it back to him by the time he returned, I believe they would have given it back, but as far as I'm aware he never even asked, not once. This comes from what both of them have told me.
Stop lying. I've seen the convo logs from tommy22. He asked for the isk back and they got defensive, threatening in fact.
Originally by: Hohne I agree, it doesn't warrant it and BULL****. I never asked him to apologize. Not ONCE.
I've seen the evemails. Again, please stop lying.
Originally by: Hohne 2 of those were tommy's accounts. The others I think you'll find the value of the account time lost was greater than the isk taken, which they still had taken back and then confiscated by CCP.
And that somehow makes it ok? You are indeed a gutless wonder.
Originally by: Hohne Everyone trusted them not to take the isk, even tommy did, they would have given it back he told them he was not playing for 60 days, they needed to borrow some isk. I hate that they did this, I in no way think it's acceptable and I would have made sure of it or I would have booted them and podded them etc. But because no one even bothered to ask me to make sure this happened all involved were banned. That takes things out of my hands.
The fact remains that they did take it, and you're trying to sit on a rather uncomfortable fence and pretend you're the good guy here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Take control of your own corp members, unless you prefer being seen as a spineless wannabe diplomat with no more morals than a hippy at a barbeque.
Originally by: Hohne Trust me, I have a friend in Tommy, I have given him far far more isk than was ever taken from him by others. I don't see how my conscience can be hurting when I wasn't even involved.
If this is how you treat your friends then I'd suggest you reevaluate your idea of friendship.
Originally by: Hohne Think about it this way, you give a friend the keys to your house and car and ask him to look after it for 60 days as you will be overseas, you trust him enough to give him the keys to your entire house, you come back early after a week, and find that the house is perfect but they have borrowed your car to go down the shops. On the basis of what has said here the logical course of action would be to report it stolen (on advice of your 'friends' who you just met), get your friend thrown in jail and then admit to the court that you said he could borrow it later, perjuring yourself and causing the same. If you'd come back when you said you would your car would be there and everything would be fine.
Grasp at straws and make some utterly nonsensical comparison some more. It's highly entertaining to see you squirm.
You, sir, are so utterly without morals. To attempt in any way, shape or form to defend this theft from a blind invalid kid is nothing short of pathetic.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator "Here I am, justifying the theft of Isk from a member of my corp, who did not previously give approval. I don't care that he is handicapped, because there are no morals in this game no matter what! I wish to sit on the fence and not make sure it's dealt with fairly".
I'm not justifying anything. If they still have the isk, and tommy does not, they are gone, within 24 hours of me being told that it is so. I have not been told that.
Quote: Stop lying. I've seen the convo logs from tommy22. He asked for the isk back and they got defensive, threatening in fact.
I have not seen these logs, have tommy send them to me.
Quote: I've seen the evemails. Again, please stop lying.
That's total bull****, screenshot please.
Quote: And that somehow makes it ok? You are indeed a gutless wonder.
No it doesn't but if you can figure out how to get CCP to return isk I'd love to know.
Quote: The fact remains that they did take it, and you're trying to sit on a rather uncomfortable fence and pretend you're the good guy here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Take control of your own corp members, unless you prefer being seen as a spineless wannabe diplomat with no more morals than a hippy at a barbeque.
I need TOMMY to ask me to do something on his behalf, I will do whatever he asks, I will not do what some random on a forum asks. YOU are not my corp member.
Quote: If this is how you treat your friends then I'd suggest you reevaluate your idea of friendship.
YOU. Are not my friend. TOMMY is, TOMMY has never asked me for anything and had me not get it for him. I suggest you mind your own business.
Quote: Grasp at straws and make some utterly nonsensical comparison some more. It's highly entertaining to see you squirm.
You, sir, are so utterly without morals. To attempt in any way, shape or form to defend this theft from a blind invalid kid is nothing short of pathetic.
I'm not defending anything, I need tommy to tell me what the situation is before I can do anything. If he tells me everything is fine and then tells someone else it isn't ? I believe him over others. I need HIM to ask me. Anything for him I will do, for some random I will not. What has ****ed me off most out of this is that I was not asked by him, for any help at all. I can't just go kicking people because some idiot on a forum tells me to. I need tommy to talk to me about it, I don't have alot of playtime of late I have been busy working IRL, so I can't know everything that goes on. You can't expect me to just read everyones minds.
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Zarin
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith the penalty for the thief in the case of an account theft as a result of account sharing is a 30-day ban and then they are back to normal?
The normal penalty in such a case is that all involved never ever get their accounts back, person who gave out their details or the person that used them. You lose all rights to your account if you give out the details, CCP doesn't get involved in thefts that were not the result of hacking, it would be like getting involved in any other ingame scam, you give someone the isk first and they don't give you what you paid for that's part of the game. In the case of an EULA violation, banning all involved is the only course available, as they cannot know if someone was justified in taking assets or not (maybe they were told they were allowed to as well as given the details). Basically, if you give your account details to someone, you are giving them all of your assets, your char, they could pod you back to 900,000 skillpoints, everything, and CCP can't do anything to restore it. This is why the EULA exists, if you give your account to anyone it had better be someone you would share a toothbrush with, because CCP are not going to do anything to help you.
This is an important lesson, NEVER give out your account details to anyone unless you are happy to lose everything on that account, including the characters themselves.
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Oofig VanDoogan
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:18:00 -
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Should I be in this thread? ---------------------------------------------- Full circle.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:57:00 -
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I lol'd. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Should I be in this thread?
might as well.
some dip**** from iac called me sherlock in a mocking tone. I'm going to go be emo now.
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Nazdarovie
Omen Incorporated Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator
To attempt in any way, shape or form to defend this theft from a blind invalid kid is nothing short of pathetic.
blind people can play eve ? how does that work exactly ?
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nazdarovie blind people can play eve ? how does that work exactly ?
He's not entirely blind, and from what he told me CCP took the isk because he petitioned it and violated the EULA. If he tells me this isn't the case I'll make sure he gets it back. But I can't get people isk they lost to CCP, because they have little weasels whispering nonsense into their ears.
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Tchell Dahhn
Deny Reality
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Posted - 2008.03.27 11:32:00 -
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Ooh! Ooh! *raising hand* I have a question! I have a question!
How much ISK are we talking, here? Because if it's like a MILLION, I'm just gonna go bang my head up against a wall for - say - about a DAY.
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vapinator
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hohne He's not entirely blind, and from what he told me CCP took the isk because he petitioned it and violated the EULA. If he tells me this isn't the case I'll make sure he gets it back. But I can't get people isk they lost to CCP, because they have little weasels whispering nonsense into their ears.
I love how you're blaming CCP and his petition instead of actually blaming the people who took his isk in the first place, and who then refused to give it back.
And don't play stupid and ask me for logs and screenshots - you've seen them all, and I know you have.
So let's recap. Tommy had his isk taken by members of your corp (yes, he was silly to give them his account details) and CCP just took the isk from everyone to preserve balance.
Your corp members still stole his isk. Why you keep wanting to skirt that particular theft is beyond me, except possibly you're embarassed and without the kind of guts it would take to see right from wrong morally and deal with it an appropriate manner.
Meanwhile, your corp has demanded that Tommy actually apologise, because said theives got banned along with him. In fact, you made a big song and dance about their 7 accounts being banned and somehow tried to say that that made it all even.
Supporting corp members who steal isk from a blind kid. Well done. And, somehow, you've convinced yourself that I'm the weasel.
Thankfully this will be archived on eve-search.com so anyone looking on there for information on your corp will see just the kind of people that are in it. Well played sir and the very best of luck to you the next time your corp members decide to steal someone else's isk. Hopefully the next time it won't be someone with a disability to shame you.
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Kejontes
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:39:00 -
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So... what exactly are your goals here? Are you trying somehow to help Tommy? TBH so far your help lost him 700m isk and got him banned for a month. Nice work guys!
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Tchell Dahhn
Deny Reality
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Posted - 2008.03.27 12:39:00 -
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Hmph. I think I just got ignored. Ignorance? In My C&P?
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 13:11:00 -
[38]
You are full of ****.
I will do anything tommy22 asks at all, this is a public record that as you say will go on eve-search.
Really simple, you get him to ask here, I will do it. Anything. I will give him the isk myself.
You give him half the isk (verified by a third party), I will give the other half without him even asking (verified by a third party using the api).
I stand by my word, I challenge you to do the same. Or do you not really care about helping him out?
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Rathkan
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 14:15:00 -
[39]
Originally by: vapinator And don't play stupid and ask me for logs and screenshots - you've seen them all, and I know you have.
Okay, I think we gotta say again, put up or shutup. Because frankly, I think your full of it and you're just trying to stir the pot.
Now, I was actually on Vent after this happened. Me and Kato did what we could to resolve the situation but by then Tommy had already petitioned and while I was speaking to him his account along with the other accounts were banned.
All of this is moot now. The accounts have been unbanned and I think we can put this whole mess behind us. As far as I'm concerned, both parties were at fault here and in Tommy's case he should've come to one of the leadership before petitioning, because this is something we as a corp could've handled. I can understand why he went this route though as he was pretty stressed at the time.
Like I said, this is internal corp business and is quite frankly, NONE OF YOUR FARKING CONCERN. You want it to be your concern? Then put in an app to AFY and become a member. Until then, stfu and gtfo.
As far as I'm concerned, this issue is closed and I think it would be in our best interest if we ignore this troll.
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Jack Brazen
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 14:31:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Jack Brazen on 27/03/2008 14:31:00 Some of the finest drama I've seen in years - thanks for sharing guys! (that's not meant as a cruel joke btw (edit: the smiley I mean)) ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight. |
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RaV1N
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.27 15:46:00 -
[41]
ahahahaha I god damn just love smashkill, the drama, the smack, the stupid second cousin that sleep with your wife and take your account details hahahaahahaha......
I made that last part up but I would believe if someone told me it happened in SK, I miss those guys
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Man Yams
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 18:36:00 -
[42]
Ok just so you know, I'm the one that told Tommy he should appologize. Hohne has never asked Tommy to do a thing, so you can lay off of him. Tommy came to me before he went away and asked what he should do with his account, I told him to get his parents to switch the skills for him, as I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. He chose to give out his account and freely admits that if they had borrowed the isk and put it back before he had returned, he would not have cared. He only got upset when he logged on, saw the isk was missing and instead of talking to people in his own corp, he listens to people who tell him to do the one thing that will insure that he gets banned and will never get his isk back. He's come to me since the incident and I told him he should appologize to everyone involved, he could have had his isk the same day he came back if he would have only talked to us instead of listening to outsiders. So he brought this upon himself, he chose to give his acct info out, he chose to bring that fact to ccp, he chose to not respond to the messages saying "tommy we have your isk for you now, just respond to us and we will send it to you", and he still remains in corp through all of this. Tommy may have his issues but he is a good kid at heart, but he is still responsible for his own actions. I am very interested to see if anyone has taken Hohne up on his offer to match 50% of what Tommy has lost if his other "friends" will do the same. So I am the one who told him to appologize, and anyone saying that it was someone else besides me is a liar.
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DaJokr
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 18:41:00 -
[43]
And don't play stupid and ask me for logs and screenshots - you've seen them all, and I know you have.
Thankfully this will be archived on eve-search.com so anyone looking on there for information on your corp will see just the kind of people that are in it. Well played sir and the very best of luck to you the next time your corp members decide to steal someone else's isk. Hopefully the next time it won't be someone with a disability to shame you.
Since this will be archived, would you be so kind as to link CLEAR images of your proof? We want this to be well documented, right? As stands this is just here-say.
And the fact he is Legally blind (though he can still see) means nothing. If he had a mental handicap then fine. But just because he's blind? Give it a rest. Even if I wasn't a part of AFY, the totall BS here makes me sick.
Proof...or just STFU.
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Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.03.27 21:06:00 -
[44]
Posting in BoB alt thread.
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:09:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Man Yams Ok just so you know, I'm the one that told Tommy he should appologize. Hohne has never asked Tommy to do a thing, so you can lay off of him. Tommy came to me before he went away and asked what he should do with his account, I told him to get his parents to switch the skills for him, as I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. He chose to give out his account and freely admits that if they had borrowed the isk and put it back before he had returned, he would not have cared. He only got upset when he logged on, saw the isk was missing and instead of talking to people in his own corp, he listens to people who tell him to do the one thing that will insure that he gets banned and will never get his isk back. He's come to me since the incident and I told him he should appologize to everyone involved, he could have had his isk the same day he came back if he would have only talked to us instead of listening to outsiders. So he brought this upon himself, he chose to give his acct info out, he chose to bring that fact to ccp, he chose to not respond to the messages saying "tommy we have your isk for you now, just respond to us and we will send it to you", and he still remains in corp through all of this. Tommy may have his issues but he is a good kid at heart, but he is still responsible for his own actions. I am very interested to see if anyone has taken Hohne up on his offer to match 50% of what Tommy has lost if his other "friends" will do the same. So I am the one who told him to appologize, and anyone saying that it was someone else besides me is a liar.
the same two he asked for his isk back, and was told more or less by them where to go by them two?
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If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:06:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad the same two he asked for his isk back, and was told more or less by them where to go by them two?
Not the fiction that exists only in your head no.
Still waiting on an answer to my proposal.
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:02:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Hohne
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad the same two he asked for his isk back, and was told more or less by them where to go by them two?
Not the fiction that exists only in your head no.
Still waiting on an answer to my proposal.
my answer at some ungodly hour is , no i wont give you my hand in marriage. -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:15:00 -
[48]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 27/03/2008 03:31:34 I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK!
Are you the same Ogdru Jahad who lost a sacrilege to me a long long time ago in Itrin?
Because if you are, I have to say congratulations on STILL being the dumbest of any smacking victim I have yet to meet, that's right, nobody has taken your throne so far.
Given the nonsensecial OP i'll guess you are.
you do pretty good your self. if your talking about loosing a sigil and a noob ship then yeah i lost them ships. as at the time all i could fly.
kill mail please to my chr. and make sure you get dates and info right.
only lost two sacs. and neither was to you. or short attention squad. -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Kato7
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:48:00 -
[49]
This is directed at Ogdru Jahad. I am amazed that you can get out of bed and dress yourself with the level of intelligence you have shown in these posts. I was there when Tommy22 came on upset about the ISK, I had EVERYONE involved in vent channels getting the details of what happened. Even though everyone was upset, we immediately started working it out to fix the situation, until we found out that it already been petitioned, at that point it was out of our hands. On the other hand how has your advice or comments for that matter improved anyoneÆs situation? I KNOW the details and no where do your comments or assertions come anywhere close to reality. Tommy22 in not an invalid he has a sight problem. The people watching the account are good honest people as evidenced by their continued membership in AFY. The people who were watching the account emailed him before hand and he didnÆt see it as he set up another account but didnÆt give it to them yet. They gave the ISK back as promised but CCP took it away after he followed advice from, lets see I wonder who. No one stole anything, but these people (both Tommy and the others) are out 1.4B plus ISK because of whose advice. AFY CEO offered to try to make it right but, letÆs see who hasnÆt stepped up. Do we see a pattern here? My advice to anyone who listens to you is that they are hurting themselves. Proof of that you may ask, well how about the 1.4B ISK Tommy and the others are out because of petitioning. Or the 30 day ban where no one was having fun or making ISK. Also donÆt keep saying you have any proof of anything, if you did you would have already posted it to make your point. You are just making everyone tired, so move on to some other petty thing you can make worse.
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 22:27:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Kato7 This is directed at Ogdru Jahad. I am amazed that you can get out of bed and dress yourself with the level of intelligence you have shown in these posts. I was there when Tommy22 came on upset about the ISK, I had EVERYONE involved in vent channels getting the details of what happened. Even though everyone was upset, we immediately started working it out to fix the situation, until we found out that it already been petitioned, at that point it was out of our hands. On the other hand how has your advice or comments for that matter improved anyoneÆs situation? I KNOW the details and no where do your comments or assertions come anywhere close to reality. Tommy22 in not an invalid he has a sight problem. The people watching the account are good honest people as evidenced by their continued membership in AFY. The people who were watching the account emailed him before hand and he didnÆt see it as he set up another account but didnÆt give it to them yet. They gave the ISK back as promised but CCP took it away after he followed advice from, lets see I wonder who. No one stole anything, but these people (both Tommy and the others) are out 1.4B plus ISK because of whose advice. AFY CEO offered to try to make it right but, letÆs see who hasnÆt stepped up. Do we see a pattern here? My advice to anyone who listens to you is that they are hurting themselves. Proof of that you may ask, well how about the 1.4B ISK Tommy and the others are out because of petitioning. Or the 30 day ban where no one was having fun or making ISK. Also donÆt keep saying you have any proof of anything, if you did you would have already posted it to make your point. You are just making everyone tired, so move on to some other petty thing you can make worse.
tommy was telling us that the two invovled were trying to bully him. why would they do that unless they had somethig to hide. UNLESS your telling me one way or another tommy was only telling us half a story.
BOTTOM LINE. the two individuals involved did wrong. -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 22:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Captain Sonata *snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Mitnal ([email protected])
lol this is in c/p forum now. "unmod" her post.
Ban anyone who shares accounts.
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Scirinyx
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.28 23:56:00 -
[52]
Wow, this is the last place I expected to see a post about AFY. This just goes to show that ccp are the most evil pirates of all.
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Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.29 03:45:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid
This concerns me greatly, as a pirate. Should people post their real-life circumstances in their bios, so that I may be careful not to blow up or ransom from invalids (and nuns, old ladies, little boys, puppies, minorities, transsexuals, immigrants, starving North Koreans, people below a certain IQ, manic-depressives, etc.)? Or should I be allowed to prey on everyone, equally?
If I am allowed to prey on everyone equally, is it nonetheless morally repugnant for me to do so if my target is a member of an underpriviledged class? Should true PvP be restricted to people of roughly equivalent RL opportunities?
Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
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Gruxella
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.29 04:46:00 -
[54]
Tommy22 is a very good guy. I cannot believe you guys are trying to bash him.
Anyone who has met tommy in game knows that he is one of the nicest, most sincere people in the game. Its unfortunate this whole thing happened.
Regardless - Tommy is a great guy, and AFY is a great corp. Neither deserve this.
Lay off. ---- VHI - We Haul Your Cargo For Free ---- We Miss you Red 7. |
Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.29 10:19:00 -
[55]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 27/03/2008 03:31:34 I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK!
Are you the same Ogdru Jahad who lost a sacrilege to me a long long time ago in Itrin?
Because if you are, I have to say congratulations on STILL being the dumbest of any smacking victim I have yet to meet, that's right, nobody has taken your throne so far.
Given the nonsensecial OP i'll guess you are.
If it's the same lamer smack talking Odgru that I've seen, I'd say it's probably the same guy.
Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
Brindeal DeLorean
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Posted - 2008.04.01 13:32:00 -
[56]
sounds to me like 3 people made a mistake here tommy for giving out the info and petitioning it and the other two for taking something that didnt belong to them when they were trusted to watch after it not take it.
But the real thing is its past and the challenge is to learn from it and move on
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Setana Manoro
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:16:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 01/04/2008 16:18:42
Originally by: Hohne Odgru, it is infact you who are the scum.
You know I have always responded to your eve-mails, letting you know the exact details and yet this time you do not even have the courtesy to bother asking first.
You have absolutely no idea what has gone on.
The isk, according to tommy, was returned to his account, and then removed by a GM. We didn't demand he say sorry, we returned all of his roles, access to corp wallets and assets, access that was only removed initially because he had given his account details out to another party.
Everyone is at fault here, most of all everyone who did anything without coming to me first, and letting us sort it out. If he had, I guarantee he would have got his isk back if I had to give it to him myself and kick everyone else involved. Instead he petitioned and CCP stepped in. Another corp member and his wife had their 6 accounts banned for 30 days as a result of his actions, and still I called equal fault and as far as I was concerned it was over. There are no winners here, only losers.
Tommy has been a member of AFY for 2 years and almost 3 months. He is a valued member of AFY, there is no ones word I would take above his, but all I have him telling me is that he petitioned, got 8 accounts banned and he tells me CCP took the isk. What exactly are we supposed to do ?
I know he is a young kid who has difficulty seeing, and I assure you we have been incredibly understanding of his position.
I have answered your eve-mails with very long and detailed eve-mails only to be told that 'you never answered' and then 'I know you gave a long reply' etc.
Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that.
This incident happened over 6 weeks ago, and everyone involved is still in corp, people are quite welcome to leave and bad mouth us, but it cannot be as bad as you make out if they choose to stay no ?
Hohne, CEO Antares Fleet Yards.
There's an easier way ... CCP should have banned all of you. :)
Also, i love how everyone from ASY is upset that they had no fun for 30d because they were making no isk. :) Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
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