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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:07:00 -
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I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK! -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:07:00 -
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I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK! -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Gallant Nose
Thunderstruck. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:16:00 -
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ok
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Captain Sonata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:27:00 -
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I don't even give my passwords to my mother.
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata I don't even give my passwords to my mother.
neither do i. but we all make mistakes. some of us play WOW , some of us have babies, rest hand out account details -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Fesken Rans
The Order of Cistral The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.03.27 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sonata I don't even give my passwords to my mother.
I do. I make her mine in my place from time to time.
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Kejontes
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:08:00 -
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A pox on the AFY scum! How could they be so cruel?!?!?
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 27/03/2008 03:31:34 I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK!
most definitely belongs in c/p.... ____________________________________________
Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
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Lady Irulan
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:12:00 -
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Ogdru you're an IDIOT. I and OLD AFY. You aren't in the corp you never were you don't know the story you got banned too so shut the hell up.
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Baku Canal
Baku Canal Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:24:00 -
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Nobody Cares about the Intersteller SpacE Credits you stole. Nobody Cares if you got Booted from your AFY Corp. So go back to empire and Rat your belt rats. OK??? CEO and Lead Diplomat of BNC BNC: Where your dreams come true!
Baku Canal
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Ethen Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:28:00 -
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No one cares. Your alliance is going to get steamrolled soon btw.
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Baku Canal
Baku Canal Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.27 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ethen Bejorn No one cares. Your alliance is going to get steamrolled soon btw.
who is my Alliacne CEO and Lead Diplomat of BNC BNC: Where your dreams come true!
Baku Canal
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Asuka Smith
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.27 05:28:00 -
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the penalty for the thief in the case of an account theft as a result of account sharing is a 30-day ban and then they are back to normal?
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:05:00 -
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Odgru, it is infact you who are the scum.
You know I have always responded to your eve-mails, letting you know the exact details and yet this time you do not even have the courtesy to bother asking first.
You have absolutely no idea what has gone on.
The isk, according to tommy, was returned to his account, and then removed by a GM. We didn't demand he say sorry, we returned all of his roles, access to corp wallets and assets, access that was only removed initially because he had given his account details out to another party.
Everyone is at fault here, most of all everyone who did anything without coming to me first, and letting us sort it out. If he had, I guarantee he would have got his isk back if I had to give it to him myself and kick everyone else involved. Instead he petitioned and CCP stepped in. Another corp member and his wife had their 6 accounts banned for 30 days as a result of his actions, and still I called equal fault and as far as I was concerned it was over. There are no winners here, only losers.
Tommy has been a member of AFY for 2 years and almost 3 months. He is a valued member of AFY, there is no ones word I would take above his, but all I have him telling me is that he petitioned, got 8 accounts banned and he tells me CCP took the isk. What exactly are we supposed to do ?
I know he is a young kid who has difficulty seeing, and I assure you we have been incredibly understanding of his position.
I have answered your eve-mails with very long and detailed eve-mails only to be told that 'you never answered' and then 'I know you gave a long reply' etc.
Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that.
This incident happened over 6 weeks ago, and everyone involved is still in corp, people are quite welcome to leave and bad mouth us, but it cannot be as bad as you make out if they choose to stay no ?
Hohne, CEO Antares Fleet Yards.
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Monarche
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:12:00 -
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Nice english. Please can you clarify the following:
1. What is your actual point? 2. What do you mean by invalid? 3. What is the relationship between isk stealing and a real life email address? 4.Is it all the members of AFY or just a member who sucks ? 5. Can you confirm or deny that you are not a CCP employee alt highlighting, this incident as an example of what happens to people who violate the EULA.
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vapinator
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:14:00 -
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"Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that."
I'm not laughing out loud for fear that my head would fall off.
Of course he petitioned. He had isk taken from his wallet without his consent, and all YOU could do was try and play the armchair diplomat. Just think about that.
Sure, he was silly to give his login and password, but that still doesn't warrant his isk being stolen and YOU telling him to apoligize. Hey, guy. Your isk got taken from your wallet WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL and now you need to apoligise? Give me a break.
Oh noes! People got 8 accounts banned! I hope they spent the 30 days reflecting on how good it felt for them to steal isk from a blind invalid.
CCP might have taken the isk, but you're asking what you should do? If members of any corp steal isk from another member then you should boot them and pod them for as long as you can find then. If you don't, you're just a gutless wonder.
Yeah, that's a real moral high horse you're on there, Hohne. I hope the view is worth it, because your conscience, and that of the thieves, sure doesn't seem to be hurting.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:16:00 -
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the op appears to be an idiot.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:17:00 -
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hey i stole a bunch of isk from some dude using mechaniscs banned by the eula so i'll make a post about it on caod.
BRILLIANT
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Monarche
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator "Sharing account details is against the EULA, and on advice of his 'friends' like you, he petitioned and as a result lost all the isk. I put the blame squarely on you. If he came to me first it would have been sorted, but I cannot undo what CCP does, he broke the rules and you told him to tell CCP that he broke the rules. That ends all avenues for sorting things out ingame, by the time I found out all of their accounts were banned. Not much you can do from that."
I'm not laughing out loud for fear that my head would fall off.
Of course he petitioned. He had isk taken from his wallet without his consent, and all YOU could do was try and play the armchair diplomat. Just think about that.
Sure, he was silly to give his login and password, but that still doesn't warrant his isk being stolen and YOU telling him to apoligize. Hey, guy. Your isk got taken from your wallet WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL and now you need to apoligise? Give me a break.
Oh noes! People got 8 accounts banned! I hope they spent the 30 days reflecting on how good it felt for them to steal isk from a blind invalid.
CCP might have taken the isk, but you're asking what you should do? If members of any corp steal isk from another member then you should boot them and pod them for as long as you can find then. If you don't, you're just a gutless wonder.
Yeah, that's a real moral high horse you're on there, Hohne. I hope the view is worth it, because your conscience, and that of the thieves, sure doesn't seem to be hurting.
Can you like read? Buy the way when were you in AFY ?
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baffy
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Monarche Can you like read? Buy the way when were you in AFY ?
wait, you can purchase the way now? sweet, where did you get it?
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum hey i stole a bunch of isk from some dude using mechaniscs banned by the eula so i'll make a post about it on caod.
BRILLIANT
how the hell did you come to that conclusion sherlock? -
If a pig loses his voice...is he disgruntled?
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Monarche
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: baffy
Originally by: Monarche Can you like read? Buy the way when were you in AFY ?
wait, you can purchase the way now? sweet, where did you get it?
With isk from an account a friend shared with me
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator Of course he petitioned. He had isk taken from his wallet without his consent, and all YOU could do was try and play the armchair diplomat. Just think about that.
I don't disagree it was a stupid thing to do, but what do you do when you have 2 children that both do something they should not? You make sure that they set things right. Trust me, I have given tommy far far more isk than was ever taken just because I like the kid and I feel sorry for him. To have our name tarnished after taking care of him as best as I can for over 2 years is a huge insult. He told someone he wasn't going to be playing for 2 months, they thought they could get it back to him by the time he returned, I believe they would have given it back, but as far as I'm aware he never even asked, not once. This comes from what both of them have told me.
Quote: Sure, he was silly to give his login and password, but that still doesn't warrant his isk being stolen and YOU telling him to apoligize. Hey, guy. Your isk got taken from your wallet WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL and now you need to apoligise? Give me a break.
I agree, it doesn't warrant it and BULL****. I never asked him to apologize. Not ONCE. I don't know where you are getting this. I would always pick his side over another, he is one of my two oldest members and a friend. TOTAL BULL****. He was not asked to say anything, give anything do anything. All of his roles were given back unconditionally.
Quote: Oh noes! People got 8 accounts banned! I hope they spent the 30 days reflecting on how good it felt for them to steal isk from a blind invalid.
2 of those were tommy's accounts. The others I think you'll find the value of the account time lost was greater than the isk taken, which they still had taken back and then confiscated by CCP.
Quote: CCP might have taken the isk, but you're asking what you should do? If members of any corp steal isk from another member then you should boot them and pod them for as long as you can find then. If you don't, you're just a gutless wonder.
Everyone trusted them not to take the isk, even tommy did, they would have given it back he told them he was not playing for 60 days, they needed to borrow some isk. I hate that they did this, I in no way think it's acceptable and I would have made sure of it or I would have booted them and podded them etc. But because no one even bothered to ask me to make sure this happened all involved were banned. That takes things out of my hands.
Quote: Yeah, that's a real moral high horse you're on there, Hohne. I hope the view is worth it, because your conscience, and that of the thieves, sure doesn't seem to be hurting.
Trust me, I have a friend in Tommy, I have given him far far more isk than was ever taken from him by others. I don't see how my conscience can be hurting when I wasn't even involved.
Think about it this way, you give a friend the keys to your house and car and ask him to look after it for 60 days as you will be overseas, you trust him enough to give him the keys to your entire house, you come back early after a week, and find that the house is perfect but they have borrowed your car to go down the shops. On the basis of what has said here the logical course of action would be to report it stolen (on advice of your 'friends' who you just met), get your friend thrown in jail and then admit to the court that you said he could borrow it later, perjuring yourself and causing the same. If you'd come back when you said you would your car would be there and everything would be fine.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:38:00 -
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This is total bull****, if tommy feels wronged you get him to come and post here and say so, don't go making out to be his friend if you are not. I have been his friend for over 2 years now, it hurts that someone else comes on here and ridicules that. I play this game for the social aspect, I don't mine or rat or run missions I manage a corp which is over 3 years old and has survived without a bad word being said by any present or past member. IĘd like to think thatĘs the mark of success, not what some random nobody thinks.
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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 27/03/2008 03:31:34 I admitt tommy22 made a mistake sharing account details and the two people included got given a 30 day holiday from eve as well as tommy22.
the thing that gets to me is tommy22 is a invalid, two "corp" members he trusted (silly may i add) with his login details. they then waited till he was off line to access 700m or so and take it without asking, they had his real life email address and basically STOLE ISK.
as far as i know the isk has not been return and Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] leadership be it the ceo or directors are demanding he say sorry or get booted. even if he says sorry he wont be given back the stolen isk.
Member of Antares Fleet Yards [AFY] you SUCK!
Are you the same Ogdru Jahad who lost a sacrilege to me a long long time ago in Itrin?
Because if you are, I have to say congratulations on STILL being the dumbest of any smacking victim I have yet to meet, that's right, nobody has taken your throne so far.
Given the nonsensecial OP i'll guess you are. ------ I speak on behalf of my corporation PS. You suck |
vapinator
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hohne I don't disagree it was a stupid thing to do, but what do you do when you have 2 children that both do something they should not? You make sure that they set things right. Trust me, I have given tommy far far more isk than was ever taken just because I like the kid and I feel sorry for him.
"Here I am, justifying the theft of Isk from a member of my corp, who did not previously give approval. I don't care that he is handicapped, because there are no morals in this game no matter what! I wish to sit on the fence and not make sure it's dealt with fairly".
Originally by: Hohne He told someone he wasn't going to be playing for 2 months, they thought they could get it back to him by the time he returned, I believe they would have given it back, but as far as I'm aware he never even asked, not once. This comes from what both of them have told me.
Stop lying. I've seen the convo logs from tommy22. He asked for the isk back and they got defensive, threatening in fact.
Originally by: Hohne I agree, it doesn't warrant it and BULL****. I never asked him to apologize. Not ONCE.
I've seen the evemails. Again, please stop lying.
Originally by: Hohne 2 of those were tommy's accounts. The others I think you'll find the value of the account time lost was greater than the isk taken, which they still had taken back and then confiscated by CCP.
And that somehow makes it ok? You are indeed a gutless wonder.
Originally by: Hohne Everyone trusted them not to take the isk, even tommy did, they would have given it back he told them he was not playing for 60 days, they needed to borrow some isk. I hate that they did this, I in no way think it's acceptable and I would have made sure of it or I would have booted them and podded them etc. But because no one even bothered to ask me to make sure this happened all involved were banned. That takes things out of my hands.
The fact remains that they did take it, and you're trying to sit on a rather uncomfortable fence and pretend you're the good guy here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Take control of your own corp members, unless you prefer being seen as a spineless wannabe diplomat with no more morals than a hippy at a barbeque.
Originally by: Hohne Trust me, I have a friend in Tommy, I have given him far far more isk than was ever taken from him by others. I don't see how my conscience can be hurting when I wasn't even involved.
If this is how you treat your friends then I'd suggest you reevaluate your idea of friendship.
Originally by: Hohne Think about it this way, you give a friend the keys to your house and car and ask him to look after it for 60 days as you will be overseas, you trust him enough to give him the keys to your entire house, you come back early after a week, and find that the house is perfect but they have borrowed your car to go down the shops. On the basis of what has said here the logical course of action would be to report it stolen (on advice of your 'friends' who you just met), get your friend thrown in jail and then admit to the court that you said he could borrow it later, perjuring yourself and causing the same. If you'd come back when you said you would your car would be there and everything would be fine.
Grasp at straws and make some utterly nonsensical comparison some more. It's highly entertaining to see you squirm.
You, sir, are so utterly without morals. To attempt in any way, shape or form to defend this theft from a blind invalid kid is nothing short of pathetic.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: vapinator "Here I am, justifying the theft of Isk from a member of my corp, who did not previously give approval. I don't care that he is handicapped, because there are no morals in this game no matter what! I wish to sit on the fence and not make sure it's dealt with fairly".
I'm not justifying anything. If they still have the isk, and tommy does not, they are gone, within 24 hours of me being told that it is so. I have not been told that.
Quote: Stop lying. I've seen the convo logs from tommy22. He asked for the isk back and they got defensive, threatening in fact.
I have not seen these logs, have tommy send them to me.
Quote: I've seen the evemails. Again, please stop lying.
That's total bull****, screenshot please.
Quote: And that somehow makes it ok? You are indeed a gutless wonder.
No it doesn't but if you can figure out how to get CCP to return isk I'd love to know.
Quote: The fact remains that they did take it, and you're trying to sit on a rather uncomfortable fence and pretend you're the good guy here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Take control of your own corp members, unless you prefer being seen as a spineless wannabe diplomat with no more morals than a hippy at a barbeque.
I need TOMMY to ask me to do something on his behalf, I will do whatever he asks, I will not do what some random on a forum asks. YOU are not my corp member.
Quote: If this is how you treat your friends then I'd suggest you reevaluate your idea of friendship.
YOU. Are not my friend. TOMMY is, TOMMY has never asked me for anything and had me not get it for him. I suggest you mind your own business.
Quote: Grasp at straws and make some utterly nonsensical comparison some more. It's highly entertaining to see you squirm.
You, sir, are so utterly without morals. To attempt in any way, shape or form to defend this theft from a blind invalid kid is nothing short of pathetic.
I'm not defending anything, I need tommy to tell me what the situation is before I can do anything. If he tells me everything is fine and then tells someone else it isn't ? I believe him over others. I need HIM to ask me. Anything for him I will do, for some random I will not. What has ****ed me off most out of this is that I was not asked by him, for any help at all. I can't just go kicking people because some idiot on a forum tells me to. I need tommy to talk to me about it, I don't have alot of playtime of late I have been busy working IRL, so I can't know everything that goes on. You can't expect me to just read everyones minds.
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Zarin
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith the penalty for the thief in the case of an account theft as a result of account sharing is a 30-day ban and then they are back to normal?
The normal penalty in such a case is that all involved never ever get their accounts back, person who gave out their details or the person that used them. You lose all rights to your account if you give out the details, CCP doesn't get involved in thefts that were not the result of hacking, it would be like getting involved in any other ingame scam, you give someone the isk first and they don't give you what you paid for that's part of the game. In the case of an EULA violation, banning all involved is the only course available, as they cannot know if someone was justified in taking assets or not (maybe they were told they were allowed to as well as given the details). Basically, if you give your account details to someone, you are giving them all of your assets, your char, they could pod you back to 900,000 skillpoints, everything, and CCP can't do anything to restore it. This is why the EULA exists, if you give your account to anyone it had better be someone you would share a toothbrush with, because CCP are not going to do anything to help you.
This is an important lesson, NEVER give out your account details to anyone unless you are happy to lose everything on that account, including the characters themselves.
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Oofig VanDoogan
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:18:00 -
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Should I be in this thread? ---------------------------------------------- Full circle.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.27 07:57:00 -
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I lol'd. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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