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Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:35:00 - [1] The Rokh and the Drake have always bugged the HELL out of me. Where most Caldari ships have been named after animals, especially birds, the Rokh stands out like a sore thumb being named after some ancient warlord or some such nonsense. The Drake on the other hand is named after a freakin' duck of all things. Most Caldari ships even have a theme within them. I'll use ECM ships as an example: The Frigates are named for mythylogical creatrues (The Griffin and the Kitsune (a 9 tailed fox of Japenese legend). The Cruisers (Blackbird, Rook, Falcon) are all named after birds. The Battleships (Widow and Scorpion) are both named after poisionous arachnids. All of these creatures are known for using wiles, trickery and downright underhanded tactics to survive in the wild. The Missile ships follow a similar pattern. The Frigate (kestral) is a bird of prey. The cruiser (Caracal) is named after a predatory cat. The HAC (Cerberus) is named for the 3 headed guard dog at the gates of Hell. The Battlecruiser (drake) is named after a DUCK?! The command ship (night hawk) is named after a small bird of prey. The Battleship (raven) is named for a carion bird. The Phoenix is named for a mythological bird famed for it's ability to set itself on fire to renew itself. With the exception of the Drake, all of these are named after a creature intimatly involved in the death of other creatures. The Railships break the mold even more The Frigate (merlin) is named, at least as far as I can tell, after the mytical wizard who guided King Arthur in his early years. The Cruiser (Moa)is named after a large flightless bird. The HAC (Eagle) is named after one of the larger birds of prey. The Battlecruiser (Ferox) is named apparently after a gasoline addative or an obscure movie from the early '80's. The command ship (vulture) is named after a large carrion bird. The Battleship (Rokh) is POSSIBLY named after a famed ancient leader in Asia. There IS no theme here. Clearly, the Drake and Rokh are evil Gallente plants designed to somehow weaken the Caldari ships as a whole by substutiting clever and majestic names with those of tinhorn dictators and DUCKS! And the railships are clearly designed as an afterthough, given the names were picked by throwing darts.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:42:00 - [2] A duck IS a bird... -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Liang Nuren A duck IS a bird... Sure it's a bird, but it's a DUCK. When I see a flock of ducks I'm not worried about being pecked to death. When Hitchcock was directing The Birds he didn't cast any DUCKS to play the villan. It's no wonder that no one respects the PVP Drake - who's afraid of DUCKS. Also, this post was inspired by pure, unfiltered boredom. . .
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:47:00 - [4] Ferox is a latin word meaning fierce. It's quite possibly named in favor of the harpa ferox, or brush hawk. Also, haven't you ever heard of the Mighty Ducks? =) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:48:00 - [5] Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/03/2008 04:48:04 Duck is a good name for the drake, since it quacks alot but it doesnt bite, and yeah, there slow *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Charges Binary Logistics Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:50:00 - [6] Maybe im wrong but isn't a Rokh a mythical giant bird that was said to eat elephants and a Drake is also a small dragon as well as a male duck.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Derek Sigres on 27/03/2008 04:52:14 Originally by: Liang Nuren Ferox is a latin word meaning fierce. It's quite possibly named in favor of the harpa ferox, or brush hawk. Also, haven't you ever heard of the Mighty Ducks? =) -Liang I FIGURED there had to be a reason to use the word Ferox, but the best I could find was a gasoline addative and that seems like a REALLY REALLY obscure reference. And when it comes to the Mighty Ducks. . . Sure I'm more afraid of the anaheim goalie than I am of a duck that I throw bread at but that's not saying much. And apparently I stand completely corrected on the Drake - it IS an archaic word for Dragon.
ThaDollaGenerale Endless Destruction Total Eclipse Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Derek Sigres the Kitsune (a 9 tailed fox of Japenese legend) Ummm, Kitsune or 狐 or きつね　is the Japanese word for fox. It's always been that way as long as I've lived in Japan. It is considered a Shinto kami or spirit, and then it will have 9 tails, but it just really only means fox.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:54:00 - [9] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Originally by: Derek Sigres the Kitsune (a 9 tailed fox of Japenese legend) Ummm, Kitsune or 狐 or きつね　is the Japanese word for fox. It's always been that way as long as I've lived in Japan. It is considered a Shinto kami or spirit, and then it will have 9 tails, but it just really only means fox. Fair enough, the Fox is still portrayed in Western Literature at least as being a clever beast who uses trickery and subterfuge. And now that you mention it, that does explain the name of the game Okami.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:56:00 - [10] I wonder if Rokh is a different spelling of Roc? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.

Mahn AlNouhm The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:17:00 - [11] Edited by: Mahn AlNouhm on 27/03/2008 05:24:53 "The Romans picked up the word draco. Eventually it was Anglicized to drake and gallicized to dragon." Google's not such a terrible site, you know. Info about Drakes Pay close attention to the image at the top of the screen and read the caption beneath it. . . .
Rip Marley Spartan Fleet Systems Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 05:23:00 - [12] I kind of got beaten to the punch here, but when I saw a new Caldari ship called a Drake, I never knew that was a kind of duck. I assumed it was a reference to a dragon, which of course is a mythologcal beast that did whatever it wanted.
Markit Broker Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 06:14:00 - [13] lulz, drake is a young dragon btw.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.27 07:38:00 - [14] and then the Scorpion comes and ruins everything ...
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 08:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Phoenicia on 27/03/2008 08:05:03 Non-bird Caldari ships: Scorpion (That thing with the exoskeleton and the stinger on the tail) Caracal (cat) Ferox (latin word, used in several biological descriptions; a fish, plant and turtle) Badger (Surprised no one saw this one as objectionable before ) Basilisk (Lizard) Kitsune (Fox/object of furry affections) Raptor (Lizard) Harpy (well, partially. Part hot nekkid chick, part bird.) Manticore (Lion-man-scorpion hybrid. Rumor says it's winged.) Onyx (Stone. Black.) Wyvern (Dragon subtype.) Chimera (Dragon/lion/snake/...goat?) Leviathan (Watery dragon-thing. Ate Rydia.) Please note that the Flycatcher can be both a bird and a plant. The Rokh is a huge legendary bird. Drake can mean dragon or duck. Kinda like Trogdor, except a dragon-duck instead of a dragon-man. I think that covers all of them. Okay, special mention: Caldari shuttle (Named after the race that designed the shuttle) -edit- Added capships
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.27 08:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Disco Flint on 27/03/2008 08:37:22 Originally by: Phoenicia Edited by: Phoenicia on 27/03/2008 08:05:03 Non-bird Caldari ships: Scorpion (That thing with the exoskeleton and the stinger on the tail) Caracal (cat) Ferox (latin word, used in several biological descriptions; a fish, plant and turtle) Badger (Surprised no one saw this one as objectionable before ) Basilisk (Lizard) Kitsune (Fox/object of furry affections) Raptor (Lizard) Harpy (well, partially. Part hot nekkid chick, part bird.) Manticore (Lion-man-scorpion hybrid. Rumor says it's winged.) Onyx (Stone. Black.) Wyvern (Dragon subtype.) Chimera (Dragon/lion/snake/...goat?) Leviathan (Watery dragon-thing. Ate Rydia.) Please note that the Flycatcher can be both a bird and a plant. The Rokh is a huge legendary bird. Drake can mean dragon or duck. Kinda like Trogdor, except a dragon-duck instead of a dragon-man. I think that covers all of them. Okay, special mention: Caldari shuttle (Named after the race that designed the shuttle) -edit- Added capships off the top of my head: Cerberus, three headed dog, guardian of Hades edit: ah, op mentioned it
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 08:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Disco Flint off the top of my head: Cerberus, three headed dog, guardian of Hades edit: ah, op mentioned it Completely missed that one. I will now commence the ancient Caldari tradition of banging my head against the wall.
Lakut EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: Disco Flint off the top of my head: Cerberus, three headed dog, guardian of Hades edit: ah, op mentioned it Completely missed that one. I will now commence the ancient Caldari tradition of banging my head against the wall. Ah, fine. Very well. Commence. To complete the list some more. Charon (either some family of spiderlike thingies or the greek mythology son of Erebus and Nyx that ferried dead folks over the river Styx. Considering it's a freighter, I'd call the latter) Rhea (Greek mythology chick) Golem (clay dude) I think that covers the non-bird caldari ships. ------------ You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
Zaknussem The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.03.27 09:35:00 - [19] Ducks are evil. Everyone knows that. That said, I still fail to see how a person that has lived longer than their spouse can be said to be a poisonous arachnid. Sure, I know of the Black Widow Spider, but two of the three words used to identify the species are not used in the name of the Caldari Black Ops ship. Personally, I'd like to see a ship class called the Chicken, or maybe Turkey. There's nothing as embarrassing as being owned by someone flyng a Chicken. I know the Bantam comes close, but still...
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.27 10:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Zaknussem Ducks are evil. Everyone knows that. That said, I still fail to see how a person that has lived longer than their spouse can be said to be a poisonous arachnid. Sure, I know of the Black Widow Spider, but two of the three words used to identify the species are not used in the name of the Caldari Black Ops ship. Personally, I'd like to see a ship class called the Chicken, or maybe Turkey. There's nothing as embarrassing as being owned by someone flyng a Chicken. I know the Bantam comes close, but still... Well, there's still the Prophecy. And yes, unless you were in a hauler it would be extremely emberassing to get owned by one :D

Katarlia Simov Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Lakut Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: Disco Flint off the top of my head: Cerberus, three headed dog, guardian of Hades edit: ah, op mentioned it Completely missed that one. I will now commence the ancient Caldari tradition of banging my head against the wall. Ah, fine. Very well. Commence. To complete the list some more. Charon (either some family of spiderlike thingies or the greek mythology son of Erebus and Nyx that ferried dead folks over the river Styx. Considering it's a freighter, I'd call the latter) Rhea (Greek mythology chick) Golem (clay dude) I think that covers the non-bird caldari ships. Golems are more than just the DnD big beasts made of clay. They are constructs made by wise and holy men who had attained a measure of gods knowledge and understanding. One of later legends about them said that a rabbi made a golem so powerful that when he was finally able to destroy it, it fell down and crushed him. So depending which myth you like best, a golem is either the creation of wise men to serve there intentions (quite appropraite), or its something that can invoke hubris and will destroy anyone who tried to make one.
Jennifer Flate theFragment The Threshold	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:16:00 - [22] AND Golem is the evolutionary form of Graveler :)(pokTmon for those who don't know). BTW i never thought of the drake as a duck, always a dragon thing.
Crellion Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:45:00 - [23] I would like to see a new caldari ship... perhaps BC tier3, allready fitted with missle launchers (malkuths) and a tractor beam, a passive shield tank suported by all mid and low slots and named the "NOOBLAR"... it should be impossible to remove fittings without destroying it... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:55:00 - [24] A Merlin is a bird of prey too: No really, Google + Wikipedia is a good thing. ----------------------------- "Oh, we're sorry, you had the 'NakedAmarrChicks' bit flagged in your account somehow." "Wait, why was there even a flag for that to begin with?" "..."
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:45:00 - [25] Flycatcher? Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Sir Ibex Polytope DO JAJA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:46:00 - [26] OP, have you ever played any RPGs or fantasy games in your life? Aside from a male duck, a Drake is also a small DRAGON. Drake From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Drake may refer to: Animals * A male duck * One of a range of artificial bait used in fly fishing * archaic: a dragon [Middle English drake, Old English draca]
vanBuskirk Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:53:00 - [27] Harpy is a kind of eagle as well as a mythological half-bird monster. The name has also been given to an anti-radar missile system. Flycatcher is a type of bird. Strangely enough, it's insectivorous (catches flies ). ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 16:56:00 - [28] Originally by: vanBuskirk Harpy is a kind of eagle as well as a mythological half-bird monster. The name has also been given to an anti-radar missile system. Flycatcher is a type of bird. Strangely enough, it's insectivorous (catches flies ). -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Sir Ibex OP, have you ever played any RPGs or fantasy games in your life? Aside from a male duck, a Drake is also a small DRAGON. Drake From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Drake may refer to: Animals * A male duck * One of a range of artificial bait used in fly fishing * archaic: a dragon [Middle English drake, Old English draca] I rescinded my view on the Drake and I may as well on the Rokh - I was never able to find out what a "Rokh" was. And once someone pointed out the Drake is also a Dragon I kinda smacked my forehead and said "DOH!" because I knew that I just didn't remember. In fact, my entire post was written entirely for LOLZ when it struck me that those two ships in particular didn't seem to fit the naming scheme. And yes, I have played quite a few RPG's and Fantasy Games, but I don't really recall them refering to Dragons as Drakes - I think Magic the Gathering may have though but that was a long time ago.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 17:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Sir Ibex OP, have you ever played any RPGs or fantasy games in your life? Aside from a male duck, a Drake is also a small DRAGON. Drake From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Drake may refer to: Animals * A male duck * One of a range of artificial bait used in fly fishing * archaic: a dragon [Middle English drake, Old English draca] I rescinded my view on the Drake and I may as well on the Rokh - I was never able to find out what a "Rokh" was. And once someone pointed out the Drake is also a Dragon I kinda smacked my forehead and said "DOH!" because I knew that I just didn't remember. In fact, my entire post was written entirely for LOLZ when it struck me that those two ships in particular didn't seem to fit the naming scheme. And yes, I have played quite a few RPG's and Fantasy Games, but I don't really recall them refering to Dragons as Drakes - I think Magic the Gathering may have though but that was a long time ago. Rokh is the persian spelling of Roc. I posted a quote from Wikipedia here. ;-) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.



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