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Johli
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.27 19:56:00 -
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This still pales in comparison to the guy who lost a hauler full of faction/officer (ESTAMEL WTF) mods. In 0.0. Without a scout. But lol @ convo.
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Jack Jombardo
The Last Samurais
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Posted - 2008.03.27 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci It's about gank or solo. If you are solo in Eve, you are dead. Period.
No, not realy.
It's more like "if you are no selfish suc.ker you are fuc.ked bye hundrets of mini Rambos wich trolls around at this forum trying to find stupid arguments for there assotial behavior".
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Pithecanthropus
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.27 20:21:00 -
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I think the bigger issue is that you actually sit your life away in this game scanning ships in hopes to find big bucks inside lame tanked ships. THEN, you come here to gloat on how crazy people are who do this, but yet you're such a hypocrite that you STILL sit and wait for these morons. I can see it now... if people didn't do this, you'd STILL be wasting away at a gate in hopes for the next moron. So tell me... who's the bigger moron here? TA-DA! YOU ARE!
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Ralara
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus I think the bigger issue is that you actually sit your life away in this game scanning ships in hopes to find big bucks inside lame tanked ships. THEN, you come here to gloat on how crazy people are who do this, but yet you're such a hypocrite that you STILL sit and wait for these morons. I can see it now... if people didn't do this, you'd STILL be wasting away at a gate in hopes for the next moron. So tell me... who's the bigger moron here? TA-DA! YOU ARE!
erm, if people didn't do this, he wouldn't be sitting at a gate waiting for them, would he? -- Ralara / Ralarina |
EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 20:37:00 -
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yeah this kind of stupidity happens often. a friend of mine got this kill a while back. ill post just the items that dropped and say he killed a tier 1 hauler that was on autopilot in empire:
Dropped items:
Expanded Cargohold II Dysprosium, Qty: 13933 (Cargo) Nanofiber Internal Structure II (Cargo) Warp Core Stabilizer I, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
estimated value: 750 to 800million isk.
then people like this dead hauler whine about suiciders. because autopilot should be cruise control for safety.
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Sosus Red
Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.27 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sosus Red on 27/03/2008 20:44:58 Can we all agree that one of the tenants of EVE is consequences for you actions. If you stupid enough to haul expansive things without a scout in a flimsy ship, they you accept the risk of some sociopath ganking you for his pleasure. Actions and consequences.
What are the consequences of suicide empire ganking? Nothing.
Until there are true consequences and/or risks, this practice should be banned. It is totally unfair for all the risk to be on one player, while the other has 0 risk.
Its not what eve is supposed to be about.
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ralphie crom
KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.03.27 20:57:00 -
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ouch, i only transport goods using transport ships anymore......and it makes me nervous to use auto pilot [url=http://www.eve-fix.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=42217] [/url] |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2008.03.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon ...it's around 3/4 of a billion isk that this guys just lost.
Now you can buy millions over millions of polytextiles and give them away for free in the name of humanity for all the children being cold!
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EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 27/03/2008 20:44:58 Can we all agree that one of the tenants of EVE is consequences for you actions. If you stupid enough to haul expansive things without a scout in a flimsy ship, they you accept the risk of some sociopath ganking you for his pleasure. Actions and consequences.
What are the consequences of suicide empire ganking? Nothing.
Until there are true consequences and/or risks, this practice should be banned. It is totally unfair for all the risk to be on one player, while the other has 0 risk.
Its not what eve is supposed to be about.
there are consequences!
the risk/consequences of suicide ganking: you lose sec status. you lose your ship. and there is no guarantee that the modules you want will drop, and no guarantee that you will be able to pick up the items that drop before someone else does. you also criminal flag for 15 minutes, and you have an agro timer against that person/corp for 15 minutes. you also have 2 months(its 2 months right?) of them having kill rights on you.
the risk/consequences of afk hauling? dying.
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banannagirl
The U-B-H-C
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Posted - 2008.03.28 00:09:00 -
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I popped a POS that was out of fuel and jhust lying there ...
If i rem corectly there were like 80 k of ceramic powder or carbon something .. about 200 million if i rem right ... hehe he.
I didnt kill the tower as it was just taking toooo long ...!
regards BG
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heheheh
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.28 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 28/03/2008 01:20:16 ooops wrong thread
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heheheh
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.28 01:21:00 -
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http://singularity.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=2499
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SoftRevolution
Complicity.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 27/03/2008 20:44:58 Can we all agree that one of the tenants of EVE is consequences for you actions. If you stupid enough to haul expansive things without a scout in a flimsy ship, they you accept the risk of some sociopath ganking you for his pleasure. Actions and consequences.
What are the consequences of suicide empire ganking? Nothing.
Until there are true consequences and/or risks, this practice should be banned. It is totally unfair for all the risk to be on one player, while the other has 0 risk.
Its not what eve is supposed to be about.
See I think it's good EVE works like this.
It's teaching it's players valuable life lessons:
If you're stupid, you will probably suffer for it. Nearly everyone is out to **** you over. Your loss is probably somebody else's gain.
They should put EVE on the curriculum in schools. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
SoftRevolution
Complicity.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh http://singularity.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=2499
Link fixed. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Sosus Red
Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: EvilSpork
Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 27/03/2008 20:44:58 Can we all agree that one of the tenants of EVE is consequences for you actions. If you stupid enough to haul expansive things without a scout in a flimsy ship, they you accept the risk of some sociopath ganking you for his pleasure. Actions and consequences.
What are the consequences of suicide empire ganking? Nothing.
Until there are true consequences and/or risks, this practice should be banned. It is totally unfair for all the risk to be on one player, while the other has 0 risk.
Its not what eve is supposed to be about.
there are consequences!
the risk/consequences of suicide ganking: you lose sec status. you lose your ship. and there is no guarantee that the modules you want will drop, and no guarantee that you will be able to pick up the items that drop before someone else does. you also criminal flag for 15 minutes, and you have an agro timer against that person/corp for 15 minutes. you also have 2 months(its 2 months right?) of them having kill rights on you.
the risk/consequences of afk hauling? dying.
Evil,
the risk/consequences of afk hauling, or hauling in general is loss time. ISk = Time. How much time does it take to make XX isk that I lost. People loose time, and it is fustrating. Its fustrating if you mine a week straight and lose it to some pirate. All that time is now wasted because you have nothing to show for it.But loss and risk is part of the game.
I dont have any problems with the Jihad goonswarm.
Now suicide gankers on the other hand are an issue I do have some concerns with. First off, if the suicide ganking is done with some alt then the security hit does not matter because its just a disposable alt, so there is no risk. The aggro time really does not matter. And How many haulers are going to go get in a combat ship and come back to seel tier revenge? The hauler is probably alone and way from friends/corpmates. And furthermore, if he did come back, would he be able to get the people who took his stuff that survived, or would he just be able to go after the alt who blew his ship up?
Really no risk there for the suicide gankers.
The only way there is risk is if the ganker and his crew were not alts and were in real corps. Then they would risk retaliation of course.
But where is the risk when suicide gankers do the suiciding with alts?
I admit that I havent researched this enough so I cant say what percentage doing this are alts and what percentage are main toons.
But you must admit that with the use of alts doing this activity the risk in minimal.
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:46:00 -
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Maybe all alt's should start with a sec status of -5, I dunno but I do aggree that using alt's to suicide gank is ghey and lame.
A lot of people point out that people recycle alts to this, ie they create an alt for suicide ganking and when the alt reaches -5 then they delete the alt and start again, this is considered an exploit but I don't think CCP ban enough people for it.
It is very easy to stop this, all CCP have to do is once you delete an alt, if you make a new alt, then this alt will inherit the security status of the old one.
This wouldn't be very hard to code and would get rid of the problem completely.
.... sig goes here!
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Gamesguy
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Ioci
Originally by: Jack Jombardo grats on beeing a As.shole and beeing prowd of it *golfclap*
Agreed.
Make 80 trips to haul 80K of Morphite or make one and get through. In 80 trips you will lose a few anyway. In one trip you might actually make money or get screwed by one of the ever growing welfare gang who camp gates hoping someone still plays the game.
Soon an alternative space based MMO will come out and CCP will be wondering why they have 400% overhead. In the fine tradition of Eve, Sucks to be you.
80k units of morphite only take up 800 m3 of cargo space. I'm sure there are safer ways out there to transport that amount.
A week ago I would have agreed with you. Knowing the gank fleets can take down Battleships with Concord no shows, I don't know any more. I can transport that Morphite but I can fly Black Ops BS and 4 empires of ships. If I had devoted all my SP to where I could mine 80K Morphite in a life time, I couldn't do that.
U do bring up a point though. If you are a Miner through and through, get in a corp with people you can trust and let people who have trained to do something bring your Morphite to market. Yes, you might need to share. And in return, you will get support enough that maybe you can mine 3 tims the amount you are now.
It's about gank or solo. If you are solo in Eve, you are dead. Period.
A nanoed blockade runner is effectively invulnerable outside of 0.0.
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Gamesguy
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon Maybe all alt's should start with a sec status of -5, I dunno but I do aggree that using alt's to suicide gank is ghey and lame.
A lot of people point out that people recycle alts to this, ie they create an alt for suicide ganking and when the alt reaches -5 then they delete the alt and start again, this is considered an exploit but I don't think CCP ban enough people for it.
It is very easy to stop this, all CCP have to do is once you delete an alt, if you make a new alt, then this alt will inherit the security status of the old one.
This wouldn't be very hard to code and would get rid of the problem completely.
There is a much easier way to fix this.
Disallow termination of characters that have an active killright on them.
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.28 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Lucas Avignon Maybe all alt's should start with a sec status of -5, I dunno but I do aggree that using alt's to suicide gank is ghey and lame.
A lot of people point out that people recycle alts to this, ie they create an alt for suicide ganking and when the alt reaches -5 then they delete the alt and start again, this is considered an exploit but I don't think CCP ban enough people for it.
It is very easy to stop this, all CCP have to do is once you delete an alt, if you make a new alt, then this alt will inherit the security status of the old one.
This wouldn't be very hard to code and would get rid of the problem completely.
There is a much easier way to fix this.
Disallow termination of characters that have an active killright on them.
That's a darn sensible idea.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Hasak Rain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.28 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Lucas Avignon Maybe all alt's should start with a sec status of -5, I dunno but I do aggree that using alt's to suicide gank is ghey and lame.
A lot of people point out that people recycle alts to this, ie they create an alt for suicide ganking and when the alt reaches -5 then they delete the alt and start again, this is considered an exploit but I don't think CCP ban enough people for it.
It is very easy to stop this, all CCP have to do is once you delete an alt, if you make a new alt, then this alt will inherit the security status of the old one.
This wouldn't be very hard to code and would get rid of the problem completely.
There is a much easier way to fix this.
Disallow termination of characters that have an active killright on them.
The problem with ideas like these is CCP will never allow them because anything that penalizes an alt makes buying a second {and third} account less attractive and it is all about the dollars and Euros.
In other words, CCP wants alts to be a big advantage so you will buy more accounts. It is no different than "buffbots" in other games. Companies will allow them to not only exist but allow their owners to have huge advantages by using them.
Welcome to the business side of MMO's. Cold and harsh isn't it?
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.28 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Lucas Avignon Maybe all alt's should start with a sec status of -5, I dunno but I do aggree that using alt's to suicide gank is ghey and lame.
A lot of people point out that people recycle alts to this, ie they create an alt for suicide ganking and when the alt reaches -5 then they delete the alt and start again, this is considered an exploit but I don't think CCP ban enough people for it.
It is very easy to stop this, all CCP have to do is once you delete an alt, if you make a new alt, then this alt will inherit the security status of the old one.
This wouldn't be very hard to code and would get rid of the problem completely.
There is a much easier way to fix this.
Disallow termination of characters that have an active killright on them.
The problem with ideas like these is CCP will never allow them because anything that penalizes an alt makes buying a second {and third} account less attractive and it is all about the dollars and Euros.
In other words, CCP wants alts to be a big advantage so you will buy more accounts. It is no different than "buffbots" in other games. Companies will allow them to not only exist but allow their owners to have huge advantages by using them.
Welcome to the business side of MMO's. Cold and harsh isn't it?
You're not thinking this through, are you? If you can't do something with an alt on one account, the sensible thing is to buy a new account. Constraining activities on any account only furthers the agenda to buy new ones.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.03.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
I scanned this T1 hauler today, scanner popped up with over 80k in morphite in his cargo hold
I was a bit taken a back but quickly hit mwd and opened fire, he popped a few seconds later and I quickly tab to my other account to pick up the loot, concorde still firing on my ship and him in his pod going omfg.
Quickly did some calculations and realise it's around 3/4 of a billion isk that this guys just lost.
What's even crazier is that his CEO paid 250k cspa charge to convo me to ask for it back or the isk.
But seriously why do people do this, I mean I only had to do 2800 damage as it was an Iteron IV and why was he on auto pilot
If I was his CEO I wouldn't be convoing the guy that ganked him, I'd be kicking him out for stupidity
Edit: 1 for 4th emoticon, and 2nd cause my title disappeared
What exactly is the point of your thread? Apart from either 1) bragging about it, which is kinda lame as 750m in a hauler gank is not really worth mentioning value wise or 2) fueling the flames that those poor (n stupid) souls who get ganked sprout onto these forums.
So again.. whats the point of this thread? --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* |
Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Malar Edited by: Malar on 28/03/2008 10:02:42
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
I scanned this T1 hauler today, scanner popped up with over 80k in morphite in his cargo hold
I was a bit taken a back but quickly hit mwd and opened fire, he popped a few seconds later and I quickly tab to my other account to pick up the loot, concorde still firing on my ship and him in his pod going omfg.
Quickly did some calculations and realise it's around 3/4 of a billion isk that this guys just lost.
What's even crazier is that his CEO paid 250k cspa charge to convo me to ask for it back or the isk.
But seriously why do people do this, I mean I only had to do 2800 damage as it was an Iteron IV and why was he on auto pilot
If I was his CEO I wouldn't be convoing the guy that ganked him, I'd be kicking him out for stupidity
Edit: 1 for 4th emoticon, and 2nd cause my title disappeared
What exactly is the point of your thread? Apart from either 1) bragging about it, which is kinda lame as 750m in a hauler gank is not really worth mentioning value wise or 2) fueling the flames that those poor (n stupid) souls who get ganked sprout onto these forums.
So again.. whats the point of this thread?
edit: I did read through the thread, and the fact that the loot was destroyed in the process makes this thread even more pointless. If everyone would post on the forums wherever they blow up something worth over 750m, we would get drowned in bragging :P
As for the convo.. its real nice. I never managed to get a love letter myself during my time in high sec ganking.. which made me sad to be honest. I guess i just looked too prefessional for them to try :P I got a wardec tho.. ironically enough it was because of a lousy medium control tower, and never from the guys who lost multiple billions.
Well basically I only started doing a bit of ganking lately and found that it can be very profitable and a lot of fun, I really enjoyed this even though on this occasion the main loot got destroyed.
But really I decided to post it because lately nearly every thread on the forums related to someone whining about being ganked, so I thought it would make a nice change to have someone gloating about ganking another player
Maybe it will encourage someone to lay down their miner or put away their hauler and experience a different part of the game
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Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Well basically I only started doing a bit of ganking lately and found that it can be very profitable and a lot of fun, I really enjoyed this even though on this occasion the main loot got destroyed.
Beginner's luck. Its generally rare to have such lucrative ships now, since people are a lot more careful and since there are campers camping every gate now, so the few stupid guys get caught usually well before they could reach you :P Contrary to popular belief, precautions and/or not using the autopilot can ensure safe travels through high sec.
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
But really I decided to post it because lately nearly every thread on the forums related to someone whining about being ganked, so I thought it would make a nice change to have someone gloating about ganking another player
So you thought, that because people whine that much about ganking already, it would be nice to fuel their whines by stories about how great ganking is. :) 10/10 on logic there dude.
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Maybe it will encourage someone to lay down their miner or put away their hauler and experience a different part of the game
You are either just a hobby ganker, or mentally hindered in some way. You realize, that the more people do what you obviously plan on doing, the less money you will ever make from it?
High sec ganking needs discouragement, if anything.. ATM its way too easy and everyone does it. This is bad for those who do it seriously as there is a lot more competition, just as it is bad for the victims as well, as there are a lot more people dying to it as well. --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* |
Matsui Hideki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Well basically I only started doing a bit of ganking lately and found that it can be very profitable and a lot of fun, I really enjoyed this even though on this occasion the main loot got destroyed.
But really I decided to post it because lately nearly every thread on the forums related to someone whining about being ganked, so I thought it would make a nice change to have someone gloating about ganking another player
Maybe it will encourage someone to lay down their miner or put away their hauler and experience a different part of the game
It can be profitable, but I'd rather do missions tbh
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Andante
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:17:00 -
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There is a lot of mention of having a scout for a hauler. Please inform me as to what this scout must look for when jumping into say Jita? A lot of ships hanging around the gate? - there are always ships hanging around in Jita. So please enlighten me what this scout is doing?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Johli This still pales in comparison to the guy who lost a hauler full of faction/officer (ESTAMEL WTF) mods. In 0.0. Without a scout. But lol @ convo.
Wasn't he in an iteron III or something?
yeah, I remember that.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Originally by: Ioci It's about gank or solo. If you are solo in Eve, you are dead. Period.
No, not realy.
It's more like "if you are no selfish suc.ker you are Please do not bypass the profanity filter. Navigator bye hundrets of mini Rambos wich trolls around at this forum trying to find stupid arguments for there assotial behavior".
Wow your closely reasoned argument, well supported with cited facts, has convinced me.
Only now, at this late hour, do I realise that shooting internet spaceships in an internet spaceship shooting game is morally wrong.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Andante There is a lot of mention of having a scout for a hauler. Please inform me as to what this scout must look for when jumping into say Jita? A lot of ships hanging around the gate? - there are always ships hanging around in Jita. So please enlighten me what this scout is doing?
eg: a bunch of kestrels piloted by pilots who all show up with yellow backgrounds. That's a good thing to look for.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus I think the bigger issue is that you actually sit your life away in this game scanning ships in hopes to find big bucks inside lame tanked ships. THEN, you come here to gloat on how crazy people are who do this, but yet you're such a hypocrite that you STILL sit and wait for these morons. I can see it now... if people didn't do this, you'd STILL be wasting away at a gate in hopes for the next moron. So tell me... who's the bigger moron here? TA-DA! YOU ARE!
Yeah, who's the bigger moron, the moron who flies 750M ISk in an untanked T1 hauler, or the moron who shoots him, steals it and makes 750M in 5 minutes?
Oh, wait.
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