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Randgris
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.27 11:31:00 -
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harb 18 slots
prop 16
drake 18
ferox 16
brutix 16
myr 17
cyc 17
hurri 18
so all tier 2 battlecruisers have 18 slots except for the myrmidon, who has 17 slots.
the myrmidon was slightly overpowered before which might have been the reason why it doesn't have 18 slots but after nos + drone bandwidth + drone shield nerf it's now 'in line' with other battlecruisers.
it's unfair that it doesnt get the slot it deserves.
note: i'm not asking for any extra turrets/launchers hardpoints or extra cpu/pg, just add a utility slot so we myrmidon pilots have some more versatility in our setups
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.27 15:36:00 -
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Comparing numbers of slots is unhelpful. The Drake, for example, may have 18 slots, but fitting anything useful in that 8th highslot is virtually impossible.
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Tulalia
m3 Corp
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2008.03.27 19:00:00 -
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a cloaking device fits in that drake's 8th hi slot just nicely... and when your in 0.0 thats pretty darn useful
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Randgris
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Gypsio III
Comparing numbers of slots is unhelpful. The Drake, for example, may have 18 slots, but fitting anything useful in that 8th highslot is virtually impossible.
well, at least you have the option to leave it empty. it gives more fitting room, e.g. do i downgrade guns to fit a remote repairer? or do i drop an armor hardener to fit that extra web?
i just dont see any reason why the myrmidon doesnt get the same amount of slots as its racial counterparts
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:54:00 -
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i just dont see any reason why the myrmidon doesnt get the same amount of slots as its racial counterparts
You mean, apart from the huge drone bay?
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Randgris
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
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i just dont see any reason why the myrmidon doesnt get the same amount of slots as its racial counterparts
You mean, apart from the huge drone bay?
it has a larger drone bay because that's it's primary weapon. amarr ships get more cap to fire their guns. some minmatar ships (e.g. cyclone) get more slots to compensate their limited turret/missile hardpoints.
so what exactly is your point? because it gets a larger dronebay to complement it's primary weapon it should lose a slot?
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.28 16:00:00 -
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Think of the dronebay as it's extra slot.
TBH I thought the Myrm was fine before it was nerfed though... too bad ccp caved to the tards who didn't think to shoot the drones.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 18:15:00 -
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so what exactly is your point? because it gets a larger dronebay to complement its primary weapon it should lose a slot?
Yes. Isn't this obvious?
Shooting drones? Oh come on, that was hardly ever a sensible option, even in a 1v1. You just got stuck endlessly flipping from Myrm to drones, doing insufficient damage to either:
1. Start shooting Myrm, Myrm deploys drones and damps your lock time.
2. Continue shooting Myrm while you take ~15 seconds to lock drones.
3. Lock and shoot drones. Myrm scoops and redeploys drones. While you're not shooting the Myrm, it reps its armour back up.
4. Start shooting Myrm again. Myrm redeploys drones again. Continue shooting Myrm while you take ~15 seconds to lock drones...
The combination of big tank, big gank, tackle, ewar and ewar-resistant gank on a single ship was stupidly overpowered.
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Tarron Sarek
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.03.28 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 28/03/2008 20:17:38
Originally by: Randgris
i just dont see any reason why the myrmidon doesnt get the same amount of slots as its racial counterparts
Because a tanking or EW slot (low/mid) is worth a lot more than a utility high slot.
Oh, and of course because of the drone bonus.
High slots = damage (mostly)
Drones = damage
So more damage from drones, less damage from high slots. Isn't it obvious?
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Vivien Sureflight
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.03.28 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Oh, and of course because of the drone bonus.
High slots = damage (mostly)
Drones = damage
So more damage from drones, less damage from high slots. Isn't it obvious?
No. Consider the amount of damage the myrm can put out. It doesn't get a turret bonus, so it's actually only slightly better than the vexor as far as damage goes (and the vexor's damage isn't great). Yes, the myrm can tank a lot better and has a better drone bay. But if you want that extra damage on the myrm, you end up fitting guns, thereby using up utility slots. It's almost impossible for the myrm to equal the damage potential of the hurricane. It might run a better tank, but not while dealing the same damage. One thing the Cane and Harb can do is range tank while still dealing significant damage; if the myrm tries range tanking, its drones can get shot. And you can't really pull the sensor damp trick with the myrm now, because damps have been nerfed hard. A single large smartbomb can practically neutralize a myrm's damage in a matter of seconds; no such module exists to counteract damage from the other BCs (exceot for defender missiles... which are a laugh). The myrm lacks the damage of the cane/harb, the tank of the drake... it's supposed to be versatile. So why not give it another slot to make it stand up to the other BCs?
(And I'm aware that it can passive shield tank as well as the drake, but that just makes it a drake with destructible damage)
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.28 22:51:00 -
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Its actually a lot better in damage than the vexor, and, the important part is that its a LOT better in tank.
If the vexor and the myrmidon fit the same tank, 1 mar, 3 slots on the myrm[to compensate from the bonus it receives, then its got 2 damage mods AND the extra effective turret.
That means that, assuming you fit the same tank[not even figuring the myrms larger amount of hit points], the myrmidon does ~1.8 times the amount of gun DPS that the vexor does.
If the myrm is only decides to do 20% more gun dps, then it has 4 times the hit points, 2 extra effective slots of tank, and 2 med slots.
Its pretty significant.
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Tarron Sarek
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.03.28 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vivien Sureflight
The myrm lacks the damage of the cane/harb(..)
You have no idea.
Hurricane: 707 dps, 7 slots left
Myrmidon: 751 dps, 8 slots left, plus a tanking bonus
Now where does the Myrmidon not compare?
Do I get this right - you don't want to utilise the high slots for damage, which practically means you want to deal a sufficient amount of damage, or maybe even an amount of damage comparable to that of other BC's.. just with drones? You must be kidding.
Of course you can fit guns in the Myrmidon's high slots. And it's a respectable amount of damage, since the Myrmidon, in contrast to the Vexor, can actually fit some medium sized blasters, with damage mods.
It seems to me that you're asking for something that would be utterly overpowered, while not noticing it.
Let me reiterate:
Weapon damage bonus, more high slots, smaller drone bay
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Drone damage bonus, larger drone bay, fewer high slots,
PLUS one additional tanking/EW slot.
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Shannon Silverwing
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Posted - 2008.03.31 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tulalia
a cloaking device fits in that drake's 8th hi slot just nicely... and when your in 0.0 thats pretty darn useful
Too true, cloaking devices help for those hops through 0.0 quite nicely and the Drake has a useful little fitting for it, but a myrm should be similiar to all other battlecruisers of its class type. if nothing else, add an extra low or mid slot to balance the situation. My gallente pilots will only use caldari battlecruisers for that reason, because the brutix and myrm both blow compared to nearly all other battlecruisers. and your hair looks funny, hehehehe
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doctorstupid2
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Posted - 2008.03.31 01:00:00 -
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So you're missing a slot? The hurricane and harbinger are missing a tanking bonus, somehow your complaint seems very insignificant...
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Mannliche Frau
Baptism oF Fire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.31 04:37:00 -
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The standard is that to gain a low or mid slot, you have to sacrifice 2 utility highs or 1 weapon high slot. I believe it is the same way on the scorpion.
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rValdez5987
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Posted - 2008.03.31 05:50:00 -
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fyi: myrmidon w/ 3x ogre II and 6x neutron blaster II does 580 dps with all level 5 skills.
Its also worth noting that sort of fitting is not possible with standard tank.
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Cikulisuy
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.03.31 09:26:00 -
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oh noes, myrm whine thread
myrm was NOT fine. for the aforementioned reasons. i know this because i fought them all the time in my harbinger, and i knew i was dead as soon as one attacked me. every time, dead 
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Amber Michaels
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Posted - 2008.03.31 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Amber Michaels on 31/03/2008 09:55:29
WTF Randgris !!! where is your character's face ?!?
Show your face covard !!!! 
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